in wisconsin, they have the same thing in iowa and illinois -- actually have built prisons just for sex offenders. can you imagine? the entire prison are sex offenders, mostly young men. that is what they are. young men who are confused about their sexuality. as my son was or your son was. i'm going to continue with this, just some of the suggestions we have had. get rid of the word "officer." you have police officers -- isn't that enough? we have, like, 2 million of them. it should be social workers, correctional workers. parole workers. get rid of parole officers and probation officers all together. i call them resource centers so that when somebody comes out of jail or prison, that it would

not matter if they came out of a mental hospital or and mentally retarded group home or they are getting out of jail or sleeping on the streets, when they get out, they go to something called a resourced center for health, and there, there would be social worker people that would help them. it does not really matter if they get out of jail or prison and a sleeping on the streets. i saw the same people in different pieces of their dreams. we provide visitors with a real release program, which means at least money to live for 90 days -- takes at least 90 days, right? to get a job, find a place to live. they are walking out of prison in many states with zero, no money. mercy releases for ill prisoners. do you know what they do in federal prison? you have hepatitis c or aids or hiv, they lock you in solitary

confinement until you die. that is what they do. that is what they do. i have seen marines out of the military prison -- i have seen them in leavenworth dying in solitary confinement. marines. because they got aids or hepatitis c. convert visn's into what i call residential treatment centers. -- convert prisons. knock down the gun towers. take down the razor wires. inspired the corrections officers, the people with badges that make $150,000 a year -- inspire their asses. [applause] i am all for the union. i do not like their union. what you do is you rehire people back as correctional workers. what happens is in a state of california, where somebody needs help because they contradict or

alcoholic or have a bad temper and they are going to be of their wife or sexually assault her stepdaughter -- whatever their problem is, let's do something about crime before they commit the crimes. they have this urge to do something illegal. they call the police and say, "i need help. i'm drug addicted. an alcoholic. please help me." right? they are directed to this treatment center where they can voluntary commit themselves for three to six months. they will do a workshop -- workup on their health. they need a health care assessment, and social work assessment, they have three to six months in which they work within 24/72 upgrade their behavior is and abilities rather

than wait for them to commit a crime and then send them to prison, right? we call these residential treatment centers. the place has 2000 beds. they can treat as many as 8000 people a year. in california, the reason they have so many heroin addicts on the street because you are a heroin addict, you cannot get drug treatment. the only of us who can get it are people with health insurance. anyone will tell you on the street we need residential drug treatment. take some of these dam presence, take down the gun towers, turned into a residential drug treatment centers -- some of these damned prisons. >> what are your suggestions as to the reform? one area we have not really

talked about much is the impact of technology. where is that going now, and how do we need to expend that? how do we deal with the information that is being disseminated, how do we slow that down? are there other areas that also are bleeding into employment and housing, and what is the solution, is my question? he>> there has been a real leadership on the country to come up with smarter ideas, and we have had a lot of good examples and policies, state and federal for the past 10 years or so, so the reform agenda is not that big a secret. they have been a lot of reports

that put it together in one place. i think the real challenge that has been touched on is really leadership, and a lot of it has to do with leadership and people really stepping up in leadership positions, and unfortunately, the politics of the equation are still really complicated. that is what a lot of people are saying. it is so easy to drop a bill and create havoc on thousands of workers, and that is what happens for political reasons. i honestly do not think that -- remember when a trucker -- when the truck below up on the other side of the bay bridge? there were and million accusations that that trucker had a criminal record and that is why, basically, the truck blew up and we had all these problems, so there were bills dropped in statements made by leading politicians from boxer on down. it turned out his record was

very minor and had nothing to do with the driver or anything else. the guy was fine, and he has been working hard to put his life back together. we want to reward that kind of thing. i think it takes a lot of real leadership and there are some great leaders out there and started to staff in addition to political figures. in a lot of credit to civil rights organizations that are starting to do a lot in this area. the naacp, the new director really has made this an important issue, and that is what is going to take. we could run down the list of all the great things there are to do, but we have to push back on this kind of hysteria on crime, and it takes leadership to do it -- it takes individuals, all of us, to do it as well, to put pressure on leaders, but it takes real leadership to do that. that is how i would put it together all in one place. >> in the vein of what is

hopeful, and there is a reentry coordinating council in san francisco and also one in alameda county. what has been helpful to me is i think that overwhelmingly, we have this being tough on crime problem as opposed to being smart on crime, but i think that even in places where you would not expect it, people are starting to make the connection. for example, a lieutenant from the sheriff's department in alameda county is one of the most consistent and supported participants in the coordinating council for reentry in alameda county. i would say it is an unlikely ally, and i'm sure that we are lucky in his leadership and support. but i do think it is because they are starting to see the connection between services and opportunities for people after incarceration. and the outcomes, which are positive. in the same vein, my office, we have funding to provide legal services for people with

criminal records. unfortunately, the san francisco public defender is unique in this state. there are a few other models, but it is unfortunately not in every county, but there is a clean slate project, and that is not a foregone conclusion. the other thing is i and my bad attitude, i probably lost over the good laws that do exist. one challenge where i hope we see a lot of movement is dismantling the structural barriers people have and space from accessing what laws do exist, so that would be another one. from the very least, providing these legal services around the state. also, just a simple "know your rights" campaign. there are people who are lawyers who probably do not know the

laws and what protections are a fortune in the realm of employment law but also what remedies are available in the realm of reentry/criminal law. >> thank you very much. we have a few questions from the audience. when people lose their jobs, they are tonight and of limit benefits. this is to meet stiff and denies a safety net for those re- entering. is this something that should be changed? >> years ago there were situations that you could benefit from unemployment benefits. people need help and income to

get by. that is not unprecedented and there are really good arguments for doing that. it is a big list if you are calling it unemployment benefit. i would call this income support and think along those lines. >> many people have criminal backgrounds which are dismissed. mr. anyway to see employers -- is anyway to determine dismissed employers? >> it is the state criminal records if you are applying for some job that is in the state.

we're not supposed to discuss any arrest unless it is open. if there is a problem there, that is a legal issue. this is the lot in that area. >> there is a penalty not against the employer for information, the penalties are against those that put across that penalty check.

>> how do you go out asking for that the entertainer? >> they can call our hotline. if you have any issue, there's a person that handles these issues. this follows discrimination charges.

if you would take an adverse action against you, you are supposed to have a copy with the record. get your hands on the thing. they're supposed to do this. i lost this job because of my record. we can work to try to figure this out. >> city departments and courts routinely calls up the names of those arrested on the internet. what can be done to protect people from this kind of dissemination? >> i think that we are fortunate in this county where

they put all court records on the internet. i has been in heated discussions. there are competing first amendment issues. i don't know what the solution is that i know that there are two competing concerns. >> how many of his people -- of the people in this room have ever check their own criminal record?

we have projections for your medical records why are people checking each other hoout? why is this even available. the next thing will be your medical records. they will put your grades out there. can you imagine? >> i think that this is a first amendment issue for the most part there are decisions out here to deal with this. this is public information. when it goes from the courthouse, that is where it is

out of control. we're supposed to have lost to deal with this. how you plug the hole is really tough. there is another side to it. >> let's look at this in a whole different way. let's provide for the fact that you don't have any privacy i deal with people coming out of prison who are e-mail in me and calling me almost every single day there are felons that cannot give jobs. it is hard to get into a public university if they are a convicted felon.

people coming out of prisons have been denied entry into universities. there is no place to hide anymore. if you get out of prison, you have to develop a way to talk about yourself and assume that they don't have your criminal record. people leaves their information on the counter and say walk away. never let it out of your hand.

if the manager is not there, sit-down until the manager comes back. when you do meet the manager, and then your application. now, maybe, you will get an interview. you never would have if you left the application. you have to make a personal, you have to make it one on one. they have to learn how to talk about themselves in order to get a job. >> that is a person by person case. i hope that we are moving in the direction of whether or not people have their criminal record public.

>> i want to thank all of the panelists for taking time out of their busy schedule. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. we hope that the summit raise issues that you normally don't see on your broadcast television. i think that we sent out to accomplish three things. the first question as it is

presented to and for trade both on the news as well as in hollywood movies. secondly, we should be honest about where the system is failing. at one time, our office was a public defender's office. we have made huge steps to make it just this mean for and create outcomes that are just.

we are spending more money in california on prisons than we are on education. we have too many people in prisons to our liking people out of city college. what is happening is more than an outrage. the systethis is something thate take immediate steps to protect. we have seen that this falls on

deaf ears. unless the people make their voices heard, we will not see change. we know this is a recipe for failure. going forward, we must become involved in the justice system. this is not someone else's problem. we will sit and wonder why the crime rates have gone up.

>> when you think about the cost to our society and every person that lives in our society. it becomes very clear that we have no option but to act and act now. i am hoping that you will be motivated to get involved in non ordinary justice. we have yet to live up to that promise. i look forward to working with all of you call ever to pla.

we invite you to stay with us. we look forward to continuing this dialogue in the future. thank you very much.

i'm the president of friends of mclaren park. it is one of the oldest neighborhood community park groups in san francisco. i give a lot of tours through the park. during those tours, a lot of the folks in the group will think of the park as very scary. it has a lot of hills, there's a lot of dense groves. once you get towards the center of the park you really lose your orientation. you are very much in a remote area. there are a lot of trees that shield your view from the urban setting. you would simply see different groves that gives you a sense of freedom, of being outdoors, not being burdened by the worries of city life. john mclaren had said that golden gate park was too far away. he proposed that we have a park in the south end of the city. the campaign slogan was, people need this open space. one of the things that had to open is there were a lot of

people who did a homestead here, about 25 different families. their property had to be bought up. so it took from 1928 to 1957 to buy up all the parcels of land that ended up in this 317 acres. the park, as a general rule, is heavily used in the mornings and the evenings. one of the favorite places is up by the upper reservoir because dogs get to go swim. it's extremely popular. many fights in the city, as you know, about dogs in parks. we have 317 acres and god knows there's plenty of room for both of us. man and his best friend. early in the morning people before they go to work will walk their dogs or go on a jog themselves with their dogs. joggers love the park, there's 7 miles of hiking trails and

there's off trail paths that hikers can take. all the recreational areas are heavily used on weekends. we have the group picnic area which should accommodate 200 people, tennis courts are full. it also has 3 playground areas. the ampitheater was built in 1972. it was the home of the first blues festival. given the fact that jerry garcia used to play in this park, he was from this neighborhood, everybody knows his reputation. we thought what a great thing it would be to have an ampitheater named after jerry garcia. that is a name that has panache. it brings people from all over the bay area to the ampitheater. the calls that come in, we'd like to do a concert at the jerry garcia ampitheater and we