drivers that keep carbon copies. at our company, and disperse and comes up to the office and we will make copies after the fact. >> you have all these years in the industry, there years you have worked. you are not thinking that that would come up. >> new might be denied a medallion if you don't keep records. >> i have been here for a little

over 11 years. as far as i'm concerned, he has been driving for 11 years. i'm here to vouch for him as a friend and as a working colleague.

>> i know all of these years that he is a hard-working man and has two kids. everyone in this industry knows him. he is a very hard-working man and he just went back to ethiopia in 2007. he resumed working until the present time.

my brother worked for him and my brother has and medallion now. thank you very much. >> when did your brother receive his medallion? >> 2008. >> did he have any issues? >> know. >> so he was able to produce -- >> yes.

my brother work for him part- time at that time. >> when your brother got the medallion, but he was able to -- that came from yellow. >> [inaudible] >> his color scheme was not american. >> he presented all of the bills with the companies that he worked for. they have a lot of problems with drivers. there are legal issues with the

drivers or something like this. they don't have an inefficient system to keep these records. >> thank you. >> any other public comment?

i have been working for four years. i have been here the last two hearings. i was here following everything. american companies don't have everything.

>> thank you. >> good evening. i am from ethiopia. the reason that i came here today is because -- some commissioners -- i have known him for a long time. i can say this is my home. both of them expressed yellow

cab and the others are not doing a good job. we have these two copies. they don't even drive a cab. they have these two copies and then they have a medallion. >> your out of time.

>> i wish she would hear my reason. >> thank you. >> i am not affiliated with any company or driver or anything like that, i have known -- since mid to late 2005. all i can say about the man is that he is not like any taxi driver i have ever met. i just returned to the country on business. the man was so nice, we talked one time and my mother was going

through some medical issues. of he was kind enough to take some of his free time, everything off is scheduled to take my mother back and forth to the hospital. he is a good man. he deserves this. ha >> i am the former mayor of the city of el salida high -- el surry del -- he worked extremely hard, as hard as anyone i know.

there are things happening and the family emergencies had to go back and that is proving to be an obstacle to him realizing his dream. this is the wave him realizing his dream. i brought representatives from american cab and they are extremely disorganized and they showed 10 date in this towards him. this is unreasonable. there are 20-30 different cabdrivers who came and testified that they worked alongside him. he is capable of working 12-14

hours at a time. we hope we can see your way beyond the problems. let's grant him his dreams. thank you. >> any other public comment? seeing none, we will move into rebuttal. >> i think that in cash returns will be irrelevant. anything can be placed, this is

not determinative to show that you drove 2000 hours. i don't think that that is relevant. this is difficult. i think commissioner garcia asked if there's anything done regarding record-keeping is. the we are encouraging the escalation and record keeping in a file. the companies have the capability already.

the other thing is that there is testimony that american campus not make copies of anything. what a company would generally want to provide, you will bring that to the company. once you get it, you are placing

this thing to operate for 24 hours to make money off of it. beyond that, the fact is that there's not any documentation. i think you. >> -- thank you. >> mentioned it the incentives that company would have to help the drivers to get a medallion, who is to say that they would place the medallion with that company? >> generally when they file the application, they will put down which company they will take a medallion to. we will get things such as a person jean -- purchasing a

vehicle. i do believe that he wrote to the american cab company. >> you talk about incentives or the motives to produce records. was that submitted by the original hearing officer. they had gone to -- and they refused the request.

that would seem to question whether or not this motive or incentive. >> they might have been arguing with each other. regardless, it is my understanding that these are never on the driver roster.

>> let's assume that it is possible someone could lose, have stolen, lose in a fire, their bills. it would seem that even though the tax filings are not positive, this is -- of the fact that he drove. >> there was a fire with one of the companies where they lost the bills for a particular year. this was consistent. the fire was well-documented.

the reports were there and the company even stated, we had a fire in our storage area and we lost the boxes containing the bills. with that information, we were still able to determine whether those drivers drove or did not. >> this had to do with a company that was reasonable and tried to how about the tax commission. this is not a reliable company in terms of keeping records and corporate and the fact that some drivers actually --

>> i'm not sure what the question is. >> he told a question about a company that was reliable and therefore you could place some value on what they tell you about a fire but it seems to be indicated fairly consistently throughout the papers american is not a reliable company. you cannot rely and information that you get or don't get from them so this raises a serious issue as to whether this will grow if we except the fact that the bills were stolen. >> that is where we would fall back on relying on the cab driver himself. >> ho what then?

>> one company might not be reliable. >> another given was the fact that there has been indications that american is not reliable. on one, we deal with a company that is not reliable. american has been demonstrating to not be a reliable company.

>> we need to figure out where you are in the process and where you might be. this might be a closer or a higher amount. >> if we were to do that, what with the years to which would have to extend the requirements? >> the regulation has changed. that change does not take effect

until december 16th. the drivers will be given an opportunity to elect the years. the driver will then be allowed to choose between four out of five years or something.

this is an 800 hour per year stance. if we were in 2007, we could only use 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. >> it gets less favorable. >> not necessarily less favorable. hothis is more favorable. i drove more later. >> mr. murray -- >> we're not in the business of trying to deny permits. >> are there any proceedings

going on against the medallion holders that are not indicated by audit. >> why would it be a fine and not replication. >> they are letting us know what the problem might have been. if someone came and and said, i broke a foot and i was out of commission for six years. here is all of my documentation. i did not realize. they would look at that and say, ok.

if they cannot prove to us that they can drive. >> is is quite a large number? >> yes, and i believe that we sent out fines. >> this question had to do with medallion boulders. you used the broken foot example and all of that. there is no broken foot. >> that is correct.

we are sorry that you had to go to ethiopia for a family matter. we cannot look back and forth. we're going to deny you a medallion. >> the result can be harsh but the short answer is yes. the standard is something like four out of five years. there might be a year where things are tough. some sword given this year based -- some are given this year based upon the process. if he did not drive at all last

year drove the previous four, he could obtain a medallion. >> thank you. >> in the color schemes demands inspection within 24 hours. why would you stole -- do not want someone? -- stone wall someone. corruption is not unknown in the

taxi industry. >> why would someone manipulate the medallions. i wanted to research quickly because i have not heard anything in the same curve you and the proposition.