would be saved up. in terms of additional information, like getting access to information, we -- nobody had answers until earlier today. because we as staff were still

working on it. so it is -- it is anandable that if you call the transportation department earlier today and -- our last -- or last week, it was all a work if process. so we're going to make sure over the course respect starting immediately tom that all of this information that is just going public now is shared with all of the staff and the transportation department and the educational placement center and it is on the web. even if you go on the with web right now, you would be able to sew the information. over the last few months, it is like trying to figure thut o-lookt at information. moving forward there will be -- figure it out. moving forward we have more specific recommendations >> quickly. i'm going to try to move this along. as commissioners make comments, what general feedback do you want from them at this point? >> i think if there's anything specific that the board would

like us to revisit, recognizing that if we -- we decide not to do something, we have to add something else on that we wouldn't do -- unless we want to increase the -- if the budget goal is fixed that we have to reduce six buses. if we decide there's something proposed that you're not comfortable with us doing for 2011, we would like you to also at the same time tell us what we should consider instead. because -- that would make it possible for us to -- to end go. >> i'm going it start with my right with commissioner maufas. it is your time for each one of you to shine. commissioner maufas: i think my one question and i'm trying to

piece it all together about treasure island and it is in combination of -- i understand the ways we're outreaching to parents and how they provide feedback, again as i expressed earlier around language, these -- these are great ways for -- for very traditional sort of outreach. i think we're going to have to device something else, in particular for treasure island. it -- it is just the nature of -- of the way it is. it is -- it is isolated and feedback from the families there is not been consist than. and how will we do whatever we can to get -- get beyond the barriers so families can really tell us how they're going to get from teixeira cur island to the school of their choice. the feeder pattern is something that they need to take into consideration. how will we get that and how will they do something other than the feeder pattern says.

again, they're in san francisco but my gosh, it is so unique. it is so unique and muni to treasure island is not anything that can be relied upon period. i have been on muni going to treasure island. it is just unacceptable. as a resource for us in this particular instance. i'm speaking about treasure island and getting students back and forth in the city. and i know that redding is not included. i know a lot of students go to redding from treasure island. i notice redding is not one of the schools that -- i don't think i missed it, that is going to be selected for treasure island, a possibility. so -- it seems like it is within the path. this particular, this little pathway. why wouldn't it be included as a stop? that's my question. it is really, just today around treasure island.

then -- also the treasure island, including that, i'm curious that p.p.s. and the pack, how are you going to outreach to treasure island families when they really have a tough time coming to the city to a particular summit that we may normally attend. what would we be doing particularly -- particularly for the families at treasure island. >> thank you, commissioner for that question. we're very lucky there's a great group of c.b.o.'s on treasure island. darlene and i have met with them multiple times to talk about this particular issue and the principals have already started partnering with the schools and had conversations and meetings. the schools that -- from treasure island will have tppings and -- transportation and has had discussions with the c.b.o.'s. it'll be from chin and scherrman, and those principals

have already started outreach to the treasure island community. flynn there's already high ridership. c.i.s., there's access to a cant fonees and chinese language program and we -- cantonees and chinese language program. we took ride time in selecting that. for k-8 access to bessy carmichael. the proposal does include. they also have a c-tip one. we had to make sure they had language to pathways and citywide schools. again i want to thank the principals and all of the c.b.o. 0's at treasure island because -- because they actually beep very proactive in these discussions. >> so the last comment is i do hope that we keep the district six supervisor in the loop. and she most recently is very familiar with perspective. treasure island i with with --

perspective. treasure island is within her jurisdiction. com misser? >> focom misser? >> for you this presentation. this is tough mo me. my younger daughter attends rosa parks and my older daughter graduated from that program. the reason we chose it is because of the diversity of kids from all over -- all over the city representing different public schools. i wanted to touch on five issues. first, what enrollment impact this may have. working families in san francisco can't pick up their kids in the middle of the afternoon. i know many of them rely he have loin the service to pick up their kids in a safe way and deliver them to after school. some -- like my husband and i are in a position to pay for this, it is really supervaluable that we don't hire someone to take them to an afterschool program. i wanted to know if there was

consideration of cost sharing options on a sliding scale for those families who -- who really are in answer to pay for this like the free and reduced lunch program. i know other districts have a transportation card that they can prp to defray the -- can purchase, to defray costs. i'm concerned about language programs. clarnedof is on the list. and that's a city wide program. by eliminating bus service, you have a negative impact on who has the able to make it to the city we'd language program. thirdly, i'm concerned about the environmental impact. what if removing 19 buses results in a 200% increase this the carbon footprint? it is going to lead to more cars on the road. you though, can we put some thought into what kind of environmental impact that will have? number four, i'm concerned about students' safety, more chaos at drop off and pick up.

if you don't have -- if you don't have school bus service for families to -- to make their own arrangements. finally my concern is about timing. the new school assignment system is designed to alleviate this issue of busing kids from one party of the city to the other. in many instances, shouldn't we wait to see the fallout of the new school assignment system. those are my concerns. >> do you want to respond to any of those? >> yes. i think -- i think where possible i'll respond. i think in some cases it was an observation that i'm not sure -- but if there's a question & didn't get it, let me know. >> on the -- on the -- on the cost sharing, the first comment on the cost sharing. we actually did send -- spend a lot of time with that. i look -- i can forward to the

board the information about that. one of the key conclusions was that -- was -- that we're going to redesign our service to support our lowest income families so they would not be able to pay for service. at any fee that is would be associated with that for family that is could pay would be cost prohibitive. they're more expensive than other alternatives, it didn't seem like this was a feasible way to be able to create a cost structure for transportation services. on -- on the -- on the impact on the language programs. that's why a lot of the schools are listed -- are listed here, they provide support and opportunity. from clairdon it who provide transportation. and then a lot of other language biliteracy programs and immersion programs with have transportation.

that transportation would be -- would be focused on children who with living in the areas, the city with the lowest average test scores. that's the areas of the city with the hoest income level. the environmental impact, that's something i can't respond to immediately. it is something i will follow up with folks and get back to the board on that piece. as the -- and the same with the chaos of dropping off and picking up and these issues. so i'll explore those with staff and get back to you with more feedback from that. in terms of the timing of the new student assignment system, that's an advantage of doing it over three years. so we try to have the minimum impact while also meeting the budget obligationings of cutting six buses. we're going to impact about 8% of our current riders or maybe even less. the first year we're doing that. so we'll have a better sense of the work -- as the work

involves, the interconnection between the assignment system and the transportation and watt immicks are. >> commissioner -- commissioner martin. >> so, i want to -- i want to say yes. i can tell the way the phase in is designed is to take the lowest hanging fruit first and minimize the impact on the lowest number of students. i do appreciate that it was designed in that way. i continue to feel concerned about leaving families high and dry that depend on service to afterschool programs. i have to say to miss killman, my own daughter went through and learned to swim in the program and loved that program. it is -- it has been a wonderful experience for the kids that have done it. i would hate to see us lose access to -- families lose access to the program. do i agree that -- that this is something that we're going to

have to do. i hope in the breach we're doing planning, that we're reaching out to the j.c.c. and working with them. and the scol sites themselves so the families are not left in the lurch. they depend on the afterschool care and there are afterschool options for the kids. was concerned about particularly, star king. i looked at it and i -- the last presentation has star -- has all of star king going to -- to -- for feeding into altos for the middle school. that's quite a ways. so -- i'm sort of curious what -- as far as the feeder patterns, what -- whether there's been any transportation thinking about. and then -- i want to just -- the question about the presideo c.d.c. and the morning bus. it sounded like if it is not in here and not affected. i'm not -- i wasn't sure if that also applied to the out years. i wondered if you could clarify

that more. i didn't understand the answer, i don't know if you did. okay, thanks. >> thank you commissioner. yes for the middle school feeder patterns, we're definitely looking at from the proposal that was shared tonight, we're looking at what the distances are, and defwrect access by muni. in your own words is there a direct no-transfer option what the muni ride time would be. and -- then in cases where -- where the transfers are required or the ride time is excessively long, we would look at bringing limited transportation and -- it would be so -- the star king access is something we would look at. it is noncontiguous, with we would need to support it. that's a lens. it is not included. we didn't get specific about pillingdscol here, because we have to wait -- middle school here, because we have to wait until that's finalized. for the presideo c.d.c., for year one, it is included.

and i think the best way to -- for parents who have -- or anybody, for all of us that have questions about what will be in place in 2013 -- the slides that -- that start on page -- slide 42. where it says redesigned transportation, all of the slide after that describe what we're planning to build. so if it is not on here, and -- we would imagine it is going to be phased out in 2012 or 2013. we list the schools that would have service and the & that they would come from. there's some place -- times when we don't though. like those schools that are starkly underenrolled that would fold out. other than that, we would build around that plan. >> commissioner -- commissioner winn. >> thank you. i wanted to -- commissioner

wynns. >> this is so difficult but i think this is a fairly good plan considering some of the things that we have talked about in the -- in the past. i think this is -- i think this is -- this is thoughtful phase-in plan. i'd be interested in the community feedback before i would -- be sure that -- that we're taking the right steps and that there are -- there -- that there aren't more nuances. by the way, i appreciate that some of the things that we have discussed in the past have already been modified from some of the original proposals. but do i believe that -- that -- that -- i'm hoping that whatever if -- if certain trends begin to emerge from the community feedback that the board would be informed about that before -- before any modifications are made. so that we could -- sort of be in on those or know what the

potential impact is, particularly as you said, this is kind of a zero sum. so anything that we decide to change is going to knock down dominoes somewhere. >> that's it. thank you. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner wynns. >> commissioner fewer. >> thank you for the presentation. commissioner fewer: i think it is thoughtful. it takes into consideration some of our students that -- that have you though, the lowest test scores. i think it is -- it is all priorities. i was -- i also echo what commissioner norton says is that -- i agree with -- with the proposal that we cannot provide transportation to off-soit afterschool prms and still may cut the budget by the extent that we want to. it is a hard choice but i feel like we have to do that. but i also wanted to know about cleveland because i know that cleveland has a lot of student that is come from the bay view.

that's quite a distance. i didn't know what -- what the ridership was. and also, star king too. there's -- star king is an isolated & with few -- with few options to bus transportation. and underenrolled and wanted to know what the numbers might have be for those schools. >> thank you, commissioner. for cleveland -- they use the same bus as -- as s.f. community. and combined for both schools, the total number of riders are 14. about eight of them are from c 2-1 areas. for star concerning the total number of riders is -- let's see, actually, we can give this whole list to the board so you could see for each school.

but star king if i could find it quickly, i could let you know. yeah. for star king, it is about 33 riders. 27 from c-tip one areas. okay. thanks. >> okay. so basically i'll probably echo commissioner wynns and fewer, i think the plan gets better. it is obvious to me, there's thought put behind this. for somebody listening -- and wanting this issue be tracied for five years, it is -- it is really nice to be able to -- to get -- get something to chew on. and realize that this is actually going to happen. so, move forward, with -- with

what the feedback we've gotten and with the additional feedback from the community. and -- you know, we know it is not going to be easy, anytime you want to change something or you lose some services somewhere, there's going to be -- some people that will well not be happy. but -- there's -- if we don't tchoig, there's more people unhappy when we find we have less money to support our classrooms. i said we with around 8:0. i want to end this and go into closed session. where is it at? five minutes, cheer the room please. thank you.