i want to thank you for your leadership. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. >> thank you, supervisor mirkarimi. commissioners from the police commission. i feel like a bit of an interloper. i was leaving the building after the probation commission this evening and wondered where our friends, the police commission, it looked dark. i learned there was something going on here. in some interest was piqued. i heard these powerful statements and perspectives being a advanced by the members you ourth co-- of our youth community. i thought i would listen, joined the group, and jot down some ideas that i am thinking of advancing to the police commission.

the qualities that i think the new chief of police in san francisco should possess, among many other qualities. these are qualities that i think interface very closely with what we have heard in the testimony of our youth as well as the experience that i have had in 41 years of juvenile probation work. i think it is an articulate it understanding of the juvenile justice system and its mission. secondly, when the new chief should have a comprehensive understanding of the relationship between police work and a juvenile probation work. thirdly, demonstrable career experience that includes evidence of creating or at advancing specific delinquency prevention or diversion programs

and strategies. fourthly, the candidates should possess and articulated a vision embracing the value of evidence based community responses to the early indicators of delinquency. that fits very nicely with the concept of community policing. addressing issues before they reached the point of arrest, and the point of detention. the fifth quality, and i only have one more after the fifth one, a commitment to expedite the arrest reports to the juvenile probation department that accompany the use at the time of prevention. the final one is that the candidate should exhibit successful police administration models that have created and utilize a specially trained youth officer positions at the

detective grade or the inspector grade. the department's designated agents that address all juvenile cases. not just the ones involving a child abuse. thank you for letting me promote these ideals. supervisor mirkarimi: you struck a chord with me that makes me wonder. the repeat offender rate, was that a consideration to tap into some of those strategies -- the

police department is activated to arrest one out of every four people. essentially, it shows three are real offending every three years -- reoffending every three years. there is a dilemma that somehow has to be confused by the thinking of other departments and just by accident, they come to land ideas that i think are great ideas. i don't know hte c - -th- the

chief, but it sounds like we got lucky having you here. i don't know what you might think of that. >> at first, i did not know which chief you are addressing. >supervisor mirkarimi: you two are interchangable. >> i have given some thought to being included in the comstat review, the relationship between our efforts and the connection between some of our efforts, the reproduction of the delinquent activity. i think that is something that we are always looking to increase our interaction with the police department. supervisor mirkarimi: you have given us some things to think

about. it was wonderful to have you here. >> good evening, board of supervisors. maria sue, director of the department youth and their families. i echo and support the ordinance of the legislation that commissioner chan is supporting. how the police can and perhaps should work with a juvenile and young people. hearing some of the testimonies from young people and parents, i have come to realize that one of the things we have done already is creatine a forum to meet with our case managers. maybe what we should do is take

that one step further and create a forum to engage with our young people in the schools. i have heard many times, people say that it clicks and works really well. they meet and talk with the young people. that maybe that's something we can think about and work on. some concrete steps after this conversation. there is a significant amount of funding in the service area. we want to make sure that we leverage all of our partners skill sets and expertise in making sure that we have a very comprehensive perspective in the area.

supervisor mirkarimi: would you like to make any closing comments? feel free to do so. >> i know it is getting late, so i will be short. i have not seen this ordinance. i was just given a copy -- supervisor mirkarimi: there is no ordinance before us tonight, is just a hearing. i think it is a misunderstanding. there is nothing to vote tonight. >> i have a copy in my hand that is not real? supervisor mirkarimi: it is a draft under a 30-day rule. supervisor campos and a number of folks are putting it forward, so there'll be a separate hearing on that. right now, there is nothing before us.

>> is this something that is being proposed based on this meeting this evening? >> it is an ordinance we will be having a future hearing on that essentially creates a definition of community policing as part of the administrative code. in your earlier comments, you indicated the importance of maintaining your authority in terms of utilizing the resources you have a direct and policing on the ground. it is drafted in such a way that it provides a broad definition that gives you all of the leverage so your the one that is making the specific decisions. but nonetheless, provides a broad, general definition. there will be a hearing on that.

>> again, there are 30 or 40 people that spoke and we don't have a true definition. i understand the respect that the officers need to give. it is my responsibility to make sure my officers have the integrity and the respect. they go out and conduct themselves and their professional manner. my only issue is that it ties my hands. we are trying to define what community policing is. you will never be able to get a definition of community policing. everybody talked about what their perception of community policing is. i think all the things that we showed on the screen was exceptional, and this department does a phenomenal job to work

with the community policing. i go back to what i said earlier this evening. some of the responsibility does not rest on these advances go police department. they are really not the responsibility to s of thefpd, -- of the sfpd. it is a responsibility of safe. we have to work together to accomplish those goals. it seems like the san francisco police department seems to be the last stand. in some instances, it is out of the realm that a police department should do. >> i want to thank you for taking the time to be here. i look forward to a more in- depth discussion about this ordinance.

it is something that is a work in progress. at some point, there will be an actual hearing. the impetus behind the ordinance is to provide some structure so that when we talk about community policing, we have an understanding of what we are talking about. i don't believe that anyone of us should be in the business of micromanaging the chief of police. as a legislative body, we have a variety -- a right and obligation to set policy that is what this ordinance does. any ordinance that is embedded in the policy, it upsets policy in such a way. we have the authority to do your

job. it is the same way in which the police commissioner sets policy by way of the department general order. i can tell you this as a former police commissioner that setting policy is not the same as micromanaging. . . this is a definition that will allow us to have some structure and have some consistency and couldn't -- some continuity that what happens citywide but allow you, your captains and every person in the department to do their job. and that's the spirit in which this ordinance is being drafted and we look forward to that discussion when that is. supervisor mirkarimi: would you like to add anything further? >> my only question, i understand the ordinance and there will be another meeting but my question is what am i not doing that we need an

ordinance for? tell knee what it is this department is not -- tell me what it is this department is not doing that necessitates an ordinance. >> i think that -- i think that should be a dedicated discussion that you should have with speier campos. and i think you should have it offline. it sounds like that the ordinance that supervisor campos is speaking to is new to you. and it is still in the queue. so you have some time and i think that it warrants a discussion offline that the two of you should have. but it segues into the way that we can just close on this. and one, i think that that is what's kind of missing philosophically in san francisco. community policing should not be shouldered unilaterally by the san francisco police department. i think it's an unfair expectation. and an uneven -- i think anticipation that it's -- the san francisco police department that has to lead the effort in community policing. i'm not so sure i'm even down with the -- done with the

definition yet becauseness an evolution and a work in progress. for example, i just said that your resources, $444 million budget is what we've expended. our population in san francisco has not risen that much that much in the last 25 years. so proportion to the police department's budget, and to the population of increases in san francisco, it's interesting the fact that our recidivism rate is actually, pretty inextricably intwined with strategies that are working and strategies that are not. there is nothing in this definition that speaks and i think it should. and the fact that we are throwing money on the front end in a way that keeps you propelling in a way that you can keep us safe is very critical in the discussion. but the discussion is incomplete. and to not have answering the question of why is it 2.8 people or three people keep getting re-arrested every three years. that's not for you to answer or

the police department. it would be completely unfair for us to saddle the department with that complete expectation. i really do. i think who is not at the table that should be at the table and -- is adult and juvenile probation as sheriff the and bevy of c.b.o.'s some who are affiliated with dcyf and these other groups. that's proper community policing and for me when i've read about the new york model or boston model or chicago model, it isn't driven strictly by the police department. but everybody would like to have the police that happy face because you are the first responders. and the community by generationally speaking is used to seeing you as the first and primary responders. but then they're starting to ask the obvious question, why is this person that keeps coming back to our community have to keep getting re-arrested and why are they plaguing our neighborhood? that in some ways has got to be addressed by community policing. and i don't think that that's covered. so i don't think that's on you.

but i do think that because as chief and on the department, you have the unenviable task of trying to figure out something that is vehiclesed many people around this city. and the presentation that was made earlier, a couple of things i would address based on the empirical data you guys gave us. one is that you say you do foot patrols and beat patrols, right? that there's 83 minus 20 that are put down on market street. we've got people who would probably say -- that probably isn't true. but we like the stat. because some would feel that there might be kind of an uneven placement of those foot patrols and communities that might be more affluent. less problematic in crime versus communities that i think might feel more distressed by crime. that might be one response. so the answer to that is how do you insert an accountable mechanism to community policing to help answer that question? another community policing is that what was represented by

commissioner chan. i just went to the website, san francisco police department website. and sfgov website and i was looking for the most accessible and user friendly way on how somebody could do a police report online in multiple languages. i'm sorry. it's not user friendly and it needs to be. if somebody wants to engage the police department from a multicultural perspective, and we're trying to create access or break down barriers, that's the way we want to do it. i think. and so those might be all part of nuances that help bring up that definition of community policing. and i honestly don't believe it's you or the department that has to be the one saddled that answers this question. i think what happened personally, was an absence of leadership in the chief executive's office years back that did not commit to a certain strategy and that you've had floating definitions and you've had very, very vague kind of insistence on the department on what to carry out. and you and various

predecessors of you have been really, you know, i think the unenviable ones who have been in the position of trying to answer these questions that many neighborhood want to see answers to. and i think that's an impossibility. i really do. but i do think what's possible is that if you had your counterparts from the other stake holders of the criminal justice system, then i think that we've got something real and meaningful. and if it's committed in the department general order, think about t there's only two commissions, there's only two commissions in the whole criminal justice system that represent law enforcement partners. the mrs. commission for police and juvenile -- the police commission for police and juvenile justice. none of the other lawen format has a commission and no interface whatever to have these particular discussions whatsoever. but yet they should be at the table. and yet they're ones who are just as much saddled with the same kind of responsibility as you are but nobody knows for the public because the police are the fub face. that's what i think is the --

is the public face. that's what i think is the dynamic we're dealing with and the conversation tonight is an important one and you're sort of putting it back on us is a very logical -- and i think is a very logical response. >> supervisor i appreciate your comments. do you need transportation home? we'll give you a ride. >> thank you. >> i'm good. i appreciate that. i appreciate the community policing concierge type services. [laughter] and that's a really good start. thank you. but i don't take special services. but i appreciate. that >> i do agree that things that we can do. i know that the community newsletter that comes out by the 10 districts comes out in english only. and it needs to be put out in various different languages. and have easy access. one of the complaints eget is that the news -- we get is that the newsletter goes out but you can't go to the website and pull out a newsletter -- >> that's not you. we were talking about this before we were elected.

the department of technology blew that. they weren't able to tie you in in a way that you should have been tied in. because the decentralized system of i.t. was completely dysfunctional. in the city. and the police department was a casualty of that. that's not on the department only to fix. we get that. we totally do. but yet we expect you to fix it. so that's the difference here. and that's the necessity of having this discussion. and again, you know, i think that thisson installment of a -- that this is an installment of a discussion and what supervisor campos is trying to commit on mape to get all the reck -- on paper to get all the requisite partners they will go for a definition and hopefully resources are attached to that definition. then you got something meaningful and profound. otherwise, it's just rhetoric. so thank you for the ride. i want to thank everybody here for participating. thank you. more importantly to the citizenry who decided to come here for the long haul and from

all quarters of san francisco. and for the many members of the san francisco police department. thank you for all your hard work. the elected -- if there is no further business -- we will continue these -- to the call of the chair. is that ok, colleagues? without objection, any further business? none. adjourned.