now if we have electronic waybills, i see that as we will be able to charge customers if it doesn't work. it is another scam to start charging us more and more fees because somebody has to operate these electronic waybills. >> hello. surprisingly, i think most of the kappa honors -- most of the cab company of hertz are texas driver's and they're acting like, very special people sitting home and getting more money from the drivers. they should start charging for that.

they're offering the service to the customers. it costs them at least $400 a month. at least $5,000 a year. why should the taxi drivers pay for all of this? it should be paid by the cab companies, but the driver is working very hard. >> what ever you want to say about that, just above the executive director's report. electron of waybills could be useful to improve efficiency. of the question i and many other drivers have, what else will

they be used for? if their purpose is also the track our meters, you're opening a very different can of worms because there many reasons why the meter does not accurately reflect the and come. if you have accepted a fair over the radio, you forget to turn it off after less fair. you may give a fair way, even. we're very concerned that your purpose here is to make available these waybills to the irs to they can squeeze cabdrivers to pay a federal that caused by rich criminal banks. every day we see the poor being squeezed to pay the debts of the rich. we just gave twitter six years of free rent.

>> i am sorry, i am her diabetic and i am shaking a little bit. at this point, i of this year to said that we are condemning an electronic waybills and the attack on cabdrivers. this should not be passed this type of the bill. it is a violation of national riots. in the city should not pass this type of nonsense. and also, nobody is talking about how much time between now and the credit-card passengers. it takes five minutes from the time of charging the gm credit card. a credit card should be removed from the business.

>> i want to address one thing. i've been driving since 1994. i am not sure. some time, yellow started charging 5% or 10% for the credit cards. one of the drivers took them to courts and the court put a ban on the credit card. and now, the president of yellow cab told me that sf mta lifted the ban of the credit card. how can they do that without consulting the drivers?

>> i am a yellow cab driver. some situations should have happened in this city administered by the republican. it is not happening. it is happening under a democratic administration. they will protect the unprotected when working class and the middle class. the 5% credit-card charges, it has nothing to do with san francisco. how would this happen? the yellow cab co.? what they give a free and

electronics? it is questionable. >> i work for the yellow cab. i will mention two things. the first is that most of us will have them out. every night, we're going without food or money. they're not paying the costs for the charges to us. the second tinhorn is, [unintelligible] this will cost five% at least.

>> i am here to point out and does the diversity of the cab drivers here. asserted smiling at 3:00 in the morning where the first report of this was going to be blowing up. it was reported everywhere. when you see this many drivers of different nationalities, different races, different countries showing up before you, you know it is serious. to understand that due process was not given to these drivers horn of coordination with them, something is wrong. this credit card issue, he said not to charge the driver's the fees. you should look at that. and it should be molded into how the industry works. last but not least, they schedule the town hall meetings.

i'm glad they changed the schedule, but who really care? >> i have been driving 28 years with the taxi have sent francisco. i would like to mention about the level of drivers that they freely parked everywhere. yellowstone, wide zone, red zone. beside the other day said not to park. why do they not give them tickets? they give us the ticket because they had to drop somebody by the by the zone or the bus zone that is taking maybe 10 seconds. it will force them not to park

illegally or to get the ticket. thank you very much. gosh i work for yellow cab company. it was not on the schedule. i came to join today as a program. as i was joining the line circling around city hall, i was not driving into the side a taxi. i was driving a personal car. investors just like everybody else. he asked me to pull over. a s them what i have done.

he said to just pull over. the guard around the circle? he said over. he forcefully pulled me over and started cutting my hands against my car at the same to give me your driver's license. i said i was just joining the procession. [chime] director nolan: thank you, sir. we appreciate your testimony. >> there are many things to say. time is very short, i will say it very quickly. the 5% units, and customers had

not discredit that. they will pay all the time. if they want to pay for we want to pay, and it will still charge all the time. i dunno -- the other question is, there are 400 medallions wasn't like that. if the city is busy, what will we do in the short time? they shouldn't care about it. the third question is, the meters and the gates, that is what they're charging. they will do something.

>> good afternoon. one thing about electronic waybill is that if the store and formation, it is our privacy in our rights. i believe they don't want any of these and any private company's database. we don't need tracking devices in our vehicles. [applause] bernanke. -- good afternoon. >> i look at your faces and it seems like you guys don't care what is going on over here.

if you guys get in my cab, i will surge to 5%. we will pass the costs to you guys. the city might turn just a fee. why can the city charged the administration fees? we cannot charge our customers. >> i think you're going to need more than two town hall meetings. operating out here is of very good way to make policy. things have to be discussed over a long time to find some sort of solution. green cat doesn't have to pay.

why does everyone else have to? why can't yellow also do it? i would like to point out that yellow and the other cab companies are already illegally charging their drivers. they should not be able to charge other 5% of top of that. blessing the letter crowded was out of context. she was not saying it was her opinion of cabdrivers, it was the public perception of cabdrivers. i have never met anybody more concerned and more respectful of cabdrivers and she is. director nolan: phelps in the back? >> if there is anyone else i like to address the board, step forward at this time.

>> one minute or two? director nolan: one. >> to the old president, i thought this was a democracy. i thought it was a democratic process. i thought was a free market. i have to believe that for a long time. the texas commission merged and they were bad enough. but they could have been fixed. the used to say all the time, that is unacceptable. you are unacceptable. we don't need a town hall meeting to tell you that. it is a waste of time, energy, and money.

now you guys personally, but the only be a year or two. >> i am eric brooks and a grass- roots organizer in san francisco. i have also been an organizer of the country for various campaigns and i can tell you that what is happening to these drivers is just a microcosm of what is happening all over the country and all over the world. the rich are getting away like bits and every time something has to go up in price, the little guy has to pay. in wisconsin, ohio, michigan, this is happening all over the place. they have not been rising up in san francisco until today when

cabdriver's shut down the civic center and their proline going to make good on their promise to shut down cab service in the city if folks don't change things. there are any union members watching this program, learn from the cab drivers. this is like the great depression. you need to rise up and help the cabdrivers get benefits. the unions need to get in on this. [applause] >> i am with these invoices go cabdrivers' association. i have disagreements. but she has done more research and learned more about that any other regulator i have seen in the 23 years. with that said, the credit card

charges should be passed on to the passengers. we will end up paying for these backseat monitors that are advertising vehicles that we're paying for whoever is in selling these things. i just don't like the intrusive nature of this. under the guise of regulation, we're being treated like employees, we want to be tracked with electronic monitoring waybill systems. we have these cameras that recorded audio and video out. some managers are listening to our conversations in the video. you're leaving yourself open for a lawsuit. they are illegal. >> you have heard this over and over today. we are, in reality, employees.

they could hire or fire us at will. i don't know how you and the city and the states have allowed them to get away with this. the millions of dollars that you have lost from tax revenue that they should have been pay is amazing to me. don't get so focused on these little issues that you forget about the big thing that is really going on here. that these guys are making out, raking in cash. this is a cash business. they say those -- they say so themselves. director nolan: people in the other rooms know about all of this? >> they have got to the south court and we will make another announcement a there is anyone

in any of the other meeting rooms that would like to address the board, please come to room 400 at this time. >> when the gunman, i believe. >> i m and operator. i have a different attitude and a different viewpoint. our card is a business license to operate. we are small businesses in the city of san francisco. i have yet to get a certificate this year that i got every previous year that says i have the right to operate. you have the right to tax a. and i don't think you have a right to say that i have to take a credit card. and beyond that, you certainly don't have a right to say that i am required to this care of my services by 5%, because that is

what you're asking me to do. i should get the whole amount of money at that time. how does what it is all about. you better start looking at us as a small businesses, which is what we are. director nolan: i will declare the public hearing part of this closed. hong >> there are a few more. there are some people doubt in the south side court. why have let them know that if they wish to address the board, come up now. they have been formed. >> i've been a taxi driver the last three years. i am here and i've just surprised. we're ready to pay all of the fees.

if the employer, we are ready to pay the fees with all the benefits. we will follow the rules. that is not justified you guys come up with the idea. this is like a dictatorship. >> anyone else care to address the board? come ford, please. >> [unintelligible] in the japanese technology, they had too much connection to the government. they are expanding their business. now they paid the price. they put the public interest

above the public. nobody wanted it. they just put it in. it costs a lot of money. we don't even know who they are. director nolan: we appreciate your testimony. there will be no action taken by this body. we will get back to that in a second. there are these town hall meetings, there are two on each day. the first session from 5:30 to 8:30. i can assure you that we will take very seriously the of what we received as we have this afternoon. there'll be no action today. a seventeenth will be the next meeting.

we urge you to come and have some fruitful discussions that those town hall meetings. >> good afternoon for everybody in the city. they have 200 and of dollars, i have $80. they have five times more. i will collect after 18 years and pay more. everything, please help our future children. have -- [unintelligible]

[chime] director nolan: one suggestion was that these agendas be posted so that drivers can get copies of this. there is no reason to oppose them today because it was not a scheduled item. but on the seventeenth, it will be. maybe we can optimize people's time on the day. i am not sure, but it will not start before whatever time that is. we'll come up with a time that it will not start before that. thank you all for your participation. we appreciate you being here this afternoon. let's take a 10 minute break.