need to look at page by page relative to what we're asking for and what we're willing to give. and at this moment based on whatever today, and i was going to take a broad version of hostile comment, i think we haven't even asked for enough, because some of these statistics and some of what's explained in here seems to be somewhat unresolveable to me. . there are big, big questions for me. i had a discussion earlier and was talking about mr. rich and perhaps the two of you could come to the lectern if at all possible, the issue of psychiatric beds was brought to our attention in our last meeting, the day mr. rich issued a statement, a draft statement to us about the mayor's list which was developed at the time and i called him back and said please

don't forget the issue about psych beds which again is standing big in the room today. . and speaking about it, i don't want to paraphrase and maybe you could explain it to the rest of the commission, if you don't mind, that we might need to take a step back on that issue and reopen a more informed discussion about why it has been kept somewhat in the corner. you always have to have the ability to keep people out of the psych bed. and we just opened up an urgent care mental health center on door street two years ago. >> it's not only an urgent care center but have 20 beds of an

acute unit. we wanted to do that at the front end. for full disclosure, we also cut psych beds in the last several years due to our budget issue. we are responsible for the mental health status for all of san francisco. every hospital is, also. because as we go on diversion, these mental health clients do get diverted. we have to work closer with the hospitals and ensure people are brought out of those acute units as soon as they can because of the issue of cost and being able to continue to provide that service. and we have to have places to go after they leave the hospital. if we're going to ask cmpc to look at it not just from a psych bed but the comprehensiveness of those beds. as a background to these beds, i wanted to at least from the research i've done in terms of 2005 when these beds were closed, it was brought at the prop 2 hearing at the closer of the 32 bed at the behavior health unit st. luke's the

health commission passed a resolution finding it would have a detrimental impact on health services of san francisco. the testimony that was received indicated the decision to close the unit was not a sutter and cmpc decision but was a st. luke's decision prior to obtaining that and st. luke's is ongoing financially distressed low volume changes in the community standard of care. if we are going to ask for that, i don't have an opposing issue regarding additional psych beds but we do have to have the other complimentary services attached to that or what we end up doing is keeping people in the hospital longer and that's not healthy for clients either. so i would look to talking about a community health care of excellence and they brought up the tenderloin clinic and that might be the place we can do the outpatient programming. if you're going to ought inpatient beds, you have to add the rest of them. you can't just have an inpatient bed by themselves or

we're not doing the right -- our goal is to always get people out of the hospital as soon as possible and keep them in the right level of care and commu feel is healthier for individuals. commissioner moore: i appreciate you stating it and if there are other questions, we can continue the discussion. >> we'll continue to work on cmpc on the issues. commissioner moore: i'd like to make one more point and that is about the projected use of the newly building, seismically upgraded for st. luke's. on that building, you meant 200 years, i assume. i don't think we build a quansa hut or other building for 10 years let alone anything else and is in itself really a -- it's almost laughable. you don't build a home -- you can build a doghouse for less

than 10 years, let alone building a hospital for 20 years, that just doesn't have any credibility. and i would appreciate if that number gets updated but there's a real resemblance of commitment to building a hospital which brings me to the point i am still very uncomfortable about the size of st. luke's. i think it is undersized and i believe that the general overall shifting in numbers does not have credibility. [applause] >> i want to thank staff for such an excellent presentation and also dr. garcia and her assistance for remaining here. frequently we have these hearings and department heads don't stay for the entire hearing so we appreciate your willingness to stay and listen to concerns that were raised at our round here which frequently

intersect with health, even because of the nature obviously of the project, it's hard to separate the two. i think the whole mental health issue is one that the city has to look at comprehensive itly, and that is not our per view here, but as it relates to this issue, certainly, it is something that we feel compelled at least to learn more on the delivery of those services to people in this city, particularly those who are indigent and not able to be insured. i work next to six street, so i encounter a lot of it. the reagan years, everybody talks about and not place in

these types of facilities. it is still an ongoing discussion that we will not resolve through this project, i don't think. but hopefully, if something positive comes out of the legislation, we're looking at the master plan around health, and then we will look at some of the issues comprehensively, with the city dictating the terms as opposed to these individual projects, institutions, corporations, i am not quite sure how to describe it. but anyway, i am tired, and it has been a long day. i don't want to repeat what has already been said. i think i could borrow commissioner miguel's notes and it would probably be verbatim,,

and look over commissioner borden's shoulder, but i think a lot of it was just coming from her heart. and some of the other commissioners as well. i agree with what i have heard here. and the members of the public. as has been stated before, the project sponsor has become familiar with the land use and zoning before proceeding with the project and to understand what the cost might be to that project, should they proceed. and have a lot of demands, as this project does. i know that it is kind of vague. one of the points, numerous authorizations at all three campuses. at some point, i would like to see more of a breakdown. the you have that in this?

we will go over it later. it i see that, yes. there are quite a few here. one thing i have been curious about, the van ness sud and the housing obligation, i imagine if the conditional use was not accepted by the commission, the requirement of the sud, what time would that be? i know the $73 million is based on the and the use fee, correct? for affordable housing, yeah. right, yeah, so i i don't know if you have an answer. >> that is based on 20% of the full housing bill out.

rigid the full house and build out. it would be the market rate. at 20% of the affordable portion, it would be the market rate cost, effectively for those 1100 units. president olague: okay, thank you. anyway, i guess i met a similar place. at some point, i don't know, it is the staff working with the block association and the neighbors? is someone from our department helping? >> commissioner, i have been interacting with the block association, facilitating our conversation with cpmc. although there has been no resolution, those discussions are moving. i am not sure there will be resolved before the larger issues are resolved, but they're moving together in parallel.

president olague: i appreciate where the mayor's office and public health and you are, so i appreciate this as a starting point and to go from here, but not to, you know, go backwards. i think this is a good starting point. at some point, i imagined conversations will start with the community that are separate from this, but i think this, as a minimum, it is at a good place, so i support so far what i am hearing from the mayor's office and dph as it relates to some of those requests. commissioner antonini? commissioner antonini: thank you. i think the short answer might be if we did not grant conditional use and required cal pacific to build the required three-one housing, as is part of the van ness plan, i think it should not be applied to

institutions. as i said earlier, there would be no project. comparatively, stanford is providing the city of palo alto with $6.9 million of housing. again, you cannot always compare things, but just to give the perspective, these are hospitals, they're not in the housing business. yes, they should absolutely replace the housing have displaced and take care of the individuals, but as far as the other is concerned, i think they should do something, but not like the asking. we used to be the city that knows how. remember as a youngster my father and mother coming from the livermore valley to seek medical care in san francisco because the hospitals were better here, the specialists were here, and that is the way it should be. we have to remain a source of excellence, and i disagree with

commissioner moore with disassembly. that seems like more is being built. a new state of the york hospital and two new state of the art hospitals and the increase in davies and the increase in pacific, and possibly the california campus is converted to something else. i see more, not less. there is always a talk about the impact and the negative impact. well, van ness avenue is not the garden area of san francisco, i am sorry to say. there are a lot of vacancies, problems, it is not really vital. this will bring jobs and businesses and will do a lot for that area, deployed a lot of people who are not employed and the whole discussion about jobs as part of the hospitals is what we're talking about. that's not always look on the dark side. the impact also include the good impact this hospital will have.

i think we have to look at that. the st. luke's issue, i agree, commissioner moore, a longer time would make sense to keep it that much into the hospital. it should be here hopefully in definitely, but i think it's size is appropriate. it was a private hospital years ago. it was able to function. as times change and neighborhoods change, it became nonfunctional. it was long before cal took over that it was not going to work. and the fact they are rebuilding the hospital i think is something that is not economically the best thing for them, but it is something that the committee wanted and everybody agreed. it is not built now, and i think that is the appropriate size. every service assault on that list is being continued, as far as i can see. it seems like it is a full- service hospital, probably

appropriate in size for the area. president olague: something else i wanted to mention, we are talking about, yeah, increasing the size where venice is coming up and the size in general, which we approved. mission bay i think is limited to women and children only. what we have failed to mention is we have in the past -- some of us, not all of us -- have approved developments that are fighting upwards of close to 50,000 new residents into san francisco. that being the case, we really have to start thinking about where these people will live. there is hunters point development. i forget how many tens of thousands, yeah, of residents we're looking at there. treasure island, we're looking at close to 20,000 new residents, and then there is part merced, which is a lot of people there, too.

that said, i think, you know, there are a lot of things we need to look at when we decide where the most appropriate place for health care is. i just wanted to make mention of that. commissioner sugaya? commissioner sugaya: maybe it is in some of our materials anywhere, but i cannot recall -- on the other campuses that are potentially downsizing along california and i believe also webster street, wherever the facilities are going to be downsized and the potential for sale of those properties, i want to know what the underlying zoning is and, i don't know, but it will be if a hospital use goes away. what the underlying zoning would be. >> the california and pacific

campuses are zoned rh-2, so institutional uses are permitted, but the other principal use is the two-family dwelling. commissioner sugaya: ok, cool. president olague: ok. >> if i may also just thank staff. especially elisabeth. i think the staff presentation was well organized and coordinated and answered a lot of questions. it was very easy to understand. i want to thank you for your work. also, all the departments for being here, especially the department of public health, thank you, director. i thanked one of the good thing. i think one of the good things about these large projects is we get to collaborate with people who are from completely different fields and different perspectives. i think it is very helpful for us to learn other people's lines of business when we're doing these projects.

i think you all for your work and help on this. president olague: ok. secretary avery: thank you. that concludes tonight's public informational session on cpmc. planning commissioners, you still have the general public comment. president olague: is there any general public comment on items not on the agenda? no? seeing none, general public comment is closed and the meeting is adjourned.

>> welcome to culturewater. in 2001, the san francisco arts commission and tampa does go public library established an arts master plan for the city soon to be renovated branch library. almost 10 years later, the san

francisco arts commission has integrated a collection of vibrant new artworks by bay area artists into five new libraries, and there is more on the way. here is a closer look at some of the projects. >> the branch library improvement program is a bond funded program undertaken by the san francisco public library to upgrade each of the branch libraries throughout the neighborhoods. one of the great benefits of this opportunity is that each of these branches has a unique artwork that has been created specifically for that branch, based on input from people who live near that branch, in the surrounding neighborhood.

>> trur- minded. there was a lot of community support for the project. i try to make it about the true hill and its history. they were something that natives used for making houses. the construction of the pond is based on abalone house construction. at the bottom of the form, it is woven into a rope which transforms into a manufactured rope. that is a reference to the cordish company, a big industry at the waterfront that went along with the shipbuilding industry. other examples of art work in libraries that you might be interested in seeing it is dana

zed's glass shatters in front of a library. there are a wall sculptures in the lobby of the glen park branch library. and then there is an illuminated book on the wall of the mission bay library. >> "ocean current." we are on ocean avenue, so there is a connection to that. that is what this is about. culmination of all lot of dialogue, processing over a five-year period. that is longer than most art projects take, but i really feel like the product was enriched from that. making the sculpture involves forging and fabricating steel.

we used to deal to create this flowing, central sculptor, heating, bending, grinding, painting, bending, and adding a patina to it. layers and layers of craftsmanship that went into this. >> of the artists who participated in this project are all bay area of projects. they work in a wide variety of media. metal, glass, natural elements, photography, just a range of different approaches and aesthetics. so we have created a nice collection of art work that is reflective of the current date. art scenes. and we invite everyone to participate and to see the unique art works that have been developed. >> to learn more, visit

>> hello. welcome to "culturewire." we are here today with bay area artist jody chanel, and we are here to see the plaza where your piece has just been installed. >> i have been doing large-scale paintings in the galleries and museums, and the idea that in the future, i could do something that would hang out a little bit longer than the duration of the installation the kind of appeal to me. i quickly found out about the san francisco arts commission school and realized there was a pre-qualified school you had to apply to, so i applied to the. >> how long did it take you to develop this work for the plaza? >> this was a fast track

project. design development was about a month. >> let's look at the beautiful mural. i have never seen a mural created on asphalt. >> the heat of the asphalt, a new layer of asphalt. then, these wire rope templates that were fabricated for the line work get laid down and literally stamped into the asphalt, and then everything was hand-painted. >> maybe you could talk about some of the symbolism, maybe starting in the middle and working out. >> [inaudible] the flower of industry. >> it is like a compass. there's an arrow pointing north. >> within the great bear consolation, there are two pointed stars here. they typically lead one to the

northstar, otherwise known as polaris. so i thought it has a layer of theme. >> let's talk about some of the other elements in the peace. we are walking along, and there is a weather vane. there's a sweet little bird hanging on the side. what kind of bird is that? >> [inaudible] the smallest of the gulf species, and it lives around the bay area. >> you want to talk about the types of flour patterns that you send? >> [inaudible] around 1926 or so by the dahlia society. >> what is this bird here? >> that is the california quail. >> coming up here, we had a little blustery theme.

what is this area here? >> this is supposed to be the side view, the expense of the golden gate bridge. >> there it is. >> there are really beautiful elements of architecture still around, i would say that it gives that feeling over to the work. >> what are your hopes for it? >> that in a way it just becomes part of the area. i think it is starting to have that feeling. people utilize it. they sit and, and have their lunch and play on -- they sit and, and have their lunch and play on that -- they sit and come and have their lunch and play on it. just for it to be part of the neighborhood. that is my hope. >> is such a beautiful addition

to our public art in san francisco. thank you for joining us. it was nice to meet you. and thank you for telling us about your beautiful mural. thanks for watching "culturewire."