and pier 31 and 32 was a disaster. they gave up on it because it was too expensive and we had to comprise. a lot of people are saying we gave it away. we department. we had no other way to form this and besides larry ellison taking over and he was smart because i predicted he would okay san francisco because this is the only city to see the race from the land. no other city in the world and to watch that on television and this is why i knew we would be the recipient of the race. all power to everybody and let's go ahead and make this thing happen. and this will bring in billions for the city. this is what we need. we don't need condoses. we need people like this to get

involved and bring huge revenue to the city. president olague: thank you. is there additional public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: i just had a couple of questions i guess for mr. martin first. thank you for an excellent presentation and not to throw cold water on what is going to be a tremendous efrvent but the scheduling is probably determined by the america's cup authorities or do we have any input when to schedule the actual competition? >> there is a lot of leeway under the host and venue agreement and things to do to work with them to point fout there are conflicts or things to work around, but generally in their control. commissioner antonini: and the competition in the past and there have been times they haven't competed because of weather conditions and days when they don't race and we can probably do the same thing because of the fog conditions

here which may be sometimes fairly prevalent in july. i wondered sometimes the period from may and june are windy, occasionally rain, more rain this year than most and the period from july 15 to labor day is the heaviest fog usually, typically, and september is a pretty good month. october probably gets a little still. you may not have enough wind to do it, not that i am a sailor or know anything about it, but same things you notice from everyday. >> part of why san francisco was selected is the consistency of the wind during these months. i think they did an analysis like over 90% of the day would be allowed for racing on schedule. i think the fog is a consideration. the races themselves will be a consideration between 1:00 and 5:00 and that is the window and

i will also say during the test races where oracle was on the bay during the 45 months and the fog framed things in an aphasing way and will be an attraction for tv that they can see if it's not too fogged in and those are all considerations that come into play and bring it off without a hitch. >> typically not as low as it is in the winter months when it's very low on the bay sometimes. it's usually the creoling is a little higher. thank you. i had one other question for mr. hodob in regards to the cruise terminal and a large area where vehicles come in to let people off type of areas and i noted an open area. and was there any thought given to providing a coverage that would allow people to be dropped off and to get into the cruise

terminal in inclimate weather which i sometimes is a problem? >> there are four different types of vehicles that come in and the trucks that come in the night before that are not conflicting with passenger who is come in in private vehicles, taxis, and buses. the private vehicles and taxis will have dropoff adjacent to the terminal and the way it is constructed right now, there is a loading dock and will drive up onto the loading dock and the buses will be on the lower condition in the center and a clear circulation and the universal design principles consistent with the a.d.a. requirements along those lines. there will be a canopy along the edge of the building that provides some of that. we are also looking into what we call the bus area in the center of the site to see if some shelters adjacent to the bus loading may be appropriate.

we're balancing that with other uses that could occur in that larger area of the central as to how temporary tents for events were put up. it is a space that doesn't come with the same type of conflicts as other public spaces in the city for the use. and we are looking to keep it clear, do you put shelter there is to constrict that, and having the buses function there without curbs and so the surface stays flat and continuing to evaluate that and looking for your comments and directions. commissioner antonini: and a port share situation with drop-off. >> for the private vehicles and taxis and still evaluating for the buses. commissioner antonini: and did i understand that the historic facade of pier 27 will remain? so from the embarcadero --

>> that shed is not historic and exposed aggregate front along and is proposed -- the proposal includes the removal of that entire shed. on either side is the pier 23 historic and the pier 29 with the bulkhead buildings and those would not be affected by this project. the up with historic building on the side is pier 29 and the beltline railway building proposed to be preserved. >> and if there is any way to tie the interior space from the embarcadero for those visiting and going off and featured to draw the public in instead of them having to walk a long ways in the open spot. >> and we are looking at the pier 29 to get people to the tip

of pier 27. there are some other issues surrounding that wlorpt the america's cup chooses to exercise an option of that. and we are following up on that. and that is the comment right there. ant apt rr the bulkheads and -- commissioner antonini: the bulkheads and the historic facade do provide a nice feature to the embarcadero and one by fisherman's wharf burned down and was restored recently. anyway, to either restore or recreate something there might be adding to the historical element to what is a more contemporary cruise terminal further out on the pier. just an idea of something that might be very aesthetically pleasing as a facade. thank you. president olague: commissioner fong. commissioner fong: this looks great. i am in support.

one we question or comment. and pier five is the cruise ship terminal and would 27 -- 27 is the backup and we have two cruise ships in town. will they reverse in that after america's cup and 27 is the primary and 35 is the backup? >> that is correct. 27 has the longer berth to hand it will larger ships. commissioner fong: and the shoreside power that was installed about a year and a half ago, that is not portable and is not able to move over to 35 in the interim, correct? >> correct. it is very complex and the installation on it is very expensive to do. it is supposed to be part of the new terminal and proposed to be out of service during the construction period starting at the beginning of 2012. commissioner fong: and one last comment, after the america's cup and cruise ship terminal is built out, is there still the

potential thought to serve as a backup event space or large public gathering space indoors and out? >> yes. the cruise terminal building would be used for special events. the people space i described on the second floor f of it as you saw has great views back to the city and out to the bay. it is flexible open space. it is primarily designed as a cruise terminal to funk and handle those needs and 80 ship days of the year and that leaves a lot of other times when events could happen on the site. commissioner fong: and one overall xhept, i wanted to thank port staff and planning staff for a dual usage purpose of the america's cup and in essence building a foundation for a cruise ship terminal is the ultimate sustainable effort, if you ask me, to save work, save time, money, resources. and i applaud that effort.

thank you. president olague: commissioner sugaya. commissioner sugaya: i think i should take my name off. i think my question was answered in terms of how days cruise ships will be in port and that is 80 total, you were daying? 80 cruises or 80 total? >> the max is about 80. when we start to pass 80 we have more than one ship in at a time and this is a single berth terminal based on the shape and size of the pier. then we have to go to another terminal which is 35 which would function as the backup. as we know it right now, that is what we anticipate and i believe that is what's being evaluated. commissioner sugaya: and also glad we are thinking of using it for more than one purpose during other times of the year and pointing out to commissioner antonini and the bus parking lots which are currently

uncovered could be used for the pocket of other things which then calls into i think you were mentioning the idea maybe we don't have as much curbs or ere impediments right now. >> trying to describe it in an unscripted manner so things that we may not have completely anticipate canned occur there in the future. president olague: my questions is mostly related to economic and more towards development. not so much directly to -- i think most of what was thinking has already been said by other commissioners. thinking along the same lines, but i guess i was wondering, is there -- it just seems like there is so much potential here for economic growth and development, right. and i was wondering what the coordination is like between, say, your office and the

neighborhood merchant groups and also i have this obsession with local manufacturing for some reason. it just seems to me this might be an opportunity to show case in some way the local goods that are produced here. and to get a sense of what the plan is and construction and other jobs and i am sure the programming people will be working with the school and the directtors of the student population will have the opportunity to learn about this and be exposed to this sort of thing. >> and with the people, plan, and transportation strategies along the waterfront groups and the wharf and the marina

merchants and obviously what we want to focus on is access to these buildings so we don't get a big dislocation and undercut the economic reason for why we want to do this. going forward we have a lot of coordination and with those kinds of things and how to get the word out and the small businesses and how to put your best foot forward. and i will say due to some of the stacking of what needs to be done, that isn't really fully formed yet. but we have a willing partner in the event authority and we really take to heart, for example, the economic impact study done before the america's cup came with this really great big number on it. you have to do something to make that happen. i think we really see this not just as the america's cup coming but how to ramp up for that and also to create a legacy for the businesses to put their best

foot forward and do the work for these teams and visitors and going forward on a more permanent basis. that is the focus we're taking and will want to build that out and put the full picture in front of people and looking at the e.i.r. approval and saying is this something we, the city, wants to move forward with. obviously there will be costs and the benefits have to be shown to outweigh the costs in a concrete way. president olague: it seems like there is an opportunity to revitalize certain areas like fisherman's wharf and a great opportunity really. >> it is really exciting. and it also comes to -- they call it a reflection point for the waterfront but also an inflection point for the city to say we'll have all this international attention and people coming here and how do we lock that into the benefits we want to take the next step ourselves. that is really the story we want to be able to tell and are starting to do that with some of

the parts in the e.i.r. and the different plans coming together but we have to build to that crescendo over the next two years. >> and obviously all the people that were mentioned earlier today and the conversations at some point. >> and we are happy to have all those conversations. we have to learn from those people and they have to tell us what it is they are looking for out of the events and try to plug them into the right conversation and say here is where you go, here is how to do that. president olague: and the sustainability planning, is that the area where transportation and parking and all those come? >> the people plan really focuses and is its own title and we have focused that on the transportation piece itself. and from a sustainability, really foe dused on transit -- focused on transit and bicycles and pedestrians to get around the water the front a way that doesn't focus on the private automobile. and also information to really convince visitors to the area and other people from parts of the area that driving your car

in isn't the best way to go. the sustainability piece will go beyond that to talk about things that will come up in conjunction with the park areas and the right mitigations to do this in a sort of environmentally responsible sort of way. what are things we can do with plastic bottles and things to keep them out of the bay. and what we got, one exciting thing is the partner of the america's cup to show case giving back to the waters and the oceans. here we have the bay that we could really use this and i think some of the environmental stakeholders and to be environmental and bolster what the activities are now to keep the bay clean. our home is that sustainability plan becomes part of that also, all in one place. and recognize that the documents that are sometimes glazed over, but for us to really describe this in a way that's clear and

plan for the specifics. president olague: and pricing is something that's been tossed around. and has that come up at all in the conversations? >> not per se. but we have looked at restricted auto access along the northern waterfront. and that is a study in the draft e.i.r. and whether that is from beefed up parking enforcement and you are not just going to drive down and find a parking space and hopefully keep them less congested but actual congestion pricing is a little more challenging than the time we have. president olague: and the previous presentation spoke a lot about parking to extent that reck really think about that. i imagine that you are thinking about it and it is inevitable that people might drive and we may want to discourage it, but

at the same time -- >> we have to be ready for it. we are looking at satellite parking strategist and had conversations with the schools about weekend parking at school areas to get people relatively close but a shuttle bus ride and suddenly they are there and looking at satellite parking along the transit route to leverage those benefits but we know that there are parking facilities that are relatively close to where people want to be and the s.s. park program that gives people realtime information and we don't want to draw to the restricted areas, but if there is parking and people can't get there without dislocating the rest of the events, we will try to facilitate the maximum number of spectators getting here in the easiest and least impactful way. president olague: thank you for the presentation. i want to thank joy for working with community members and meeting with folks and this sort of thing because that is important. and then finally, it is nice we

have views from and to telegraph hill. that is not without community engagement and advocacy and that sort of thing. commissioner sugaya. commissioner sugaya: yes, on the economic side. there's ban lot of big numbers mentioned for tourism in the sense of people coming to see the event. and yet can i find that study somewhere? i'm sorry, i am not -- i haven't been totally engaged, but you were mentioning there was an economic study. if i read the e.i.r., am i going to find where these numbers came from? in terms of the projected numbers? my question really has to do with if the america's cup in the past took place in spain out in the ocean where nobody saw anything, takes place in auckland out in the ocean where nobody sees anything.

then all of a sudden it comes to the bay area and there are billions of people coming here, when, in fact, nobody has had that experience in the first place. and so where do the numbers come from? i am wondering that says thereby hundreds of thousands people here on race day. >> so there was a beacon economics study put out late last year and that is on our website. and it made some assumptions, fairly conservative assumptions, but i think all the points you raise are in there in the sense that this is a new configuration for the america's cup. part of why they're bringing it here is to bring it to more of a populus so naszs can come and see it. there are a lot of assumptions and didn't take into account the america's cup world series events in 2012 and what the benefits will be and on the other side, maybe things we are doing they didn't look at either that cut against the overall estimate. the estimate was $1.4 billion to

the economy. i think what we need to do over the course of the project is really re-evaluate what those numbers are in relation to what we are doing. we talked about the large spectator vessel berth and that is a key part of the economic drivers here and obviously a balancing act to be done there. and the economic impact and that is part of the policy conversation that you have. commissioner sugaya: and i can understand the viewpoint of someone who might come to this who have precedence with people with money, for lack of a better term, who are really interested and as you said, may bring their sailing vessels here and berth and that kind of thing. i was wondering more about people like me. what the projections are not,

not to say -- i know a lot of people sail, but the rest of us who might be engaged to go down a couple of times to look at it from some vantage point. and i will pull it off the site. >> and one additional point and the draft e.i.r. will show the visitor projections to different location which is may give a further analysis, but the point is well taken. in part this america's cup world series we are trying to develop, hopefully that builds some of the new era and not the extreme sports crowd, but not your father's sailing race. and hopefully we can benefit from that. president olague: thank you. commissioner antonini. commissioner antonini: i had a question for peter albert, i saw him here, and it is a transportation question and we

have heard talk about flight extension which i would hope would be in place by the time of this because we just had a discussion about the viewing areas in the marina green and bringing people through the tunnel and with the rest of the embarcadero area and the e-line and the extension to the south waterfront. and i don't know if that is a possibility or even have enough cars to get that finished and if you don't have enough streetcars to run the metro cars and i don't know if this is possible. >> peter albert, the transportation plan, and the first question is about the extension and we are managing that with the government and the

projections are that probably wouldn't be finished and the challenge of all this is to pull the transportation plan together that works for 2012 and as mike said, 2012 gives us a chance to pilot and test things out for 2013. and if the money comes in and if for some miraculous reason the i.e.s. is finished quickly and we get streetcars out, that is a whole different subject. but we are not building that into the people plan. the streetcar linked to mission bay and the caltran station and bart and out towards fisherman's what are to have link major nodes. that is part of what the people plan recommendation will be. the rehabilitation program and to supplement that with the motted earn -- with modern cars. one other streetcar augu augmend i heard about the lack of

capacity on the f-line is in addition to the f which comes and goes out to the wharf and e which goes from mission bay to the wharf will have an f shuttle between the ferry bay and the wharf so we have the ability to pick up visitors, commuters, everybody needing to get around in that really congested segment of the waterfront. president olague: thank you. >> commissioners, that will place you on ie them in 9 for 2011.0526t, creation of limited live performance permit for indoor locales. >> good afternoon, president olague, members of the commission. sophie hayward, planning staff. the item before you is a proposed apropose ed ordinance to create a limited live performance for indoor locales whose primary function

is not the presentation of live performances. the ordinance was introduce d t create an opportunity by supervisor mirkarimi for a land use such as a restaurant or a bar. supervisor mirkarimi is here today to provide an overview of the propoedz ordinance, so with your permission, i would like to let him speak first and following supervisor mirkarimi's remarks, i will outline the impacts of the proposal to the planning code specifically and present the details of the department's recommendation to you. i also want to note i will be distributing a letter from supervisor mirkarimi to you that describes amendments that may be added to the ordinance after this hearing that would expand the areas eligible for the permit. so i want to make sure you know that is coming. i'm going to turn it over to supervisor mirkarimi. thank you.

>> commissioners, honorable commissioners, president, thank you. i know it's been already long afternoon for you, so thank you for the indulgence. i am supervisor mirkarimi and i represent the fifth district. i believe that this legislation that is before you is an appropriate and sensible answer on a land use, business, and entertainment perspective as to how we can help restaurants and cafes thrive in san francisco san francisco, especially smaller restaurants thrive and how to put musicians and artists to work in san francisco. and the reason this wasn't caught is there's been a one size fits all permit for

establishments, restaurants, bars, etc., who would like to have entertainment and that particular xherment cost roughly $-- and that particular copolymer -- that particular permit was $2,000 for conditional use on top of the other $2,300 they would have to spend. and this obviously speaks to the fact that many small establishments with restaurants and find that extremely cost prohibitive. we have been working with the office of economic and workforce development and the small business development and entertainment commission for quite some period of time in taking note of some of the tension points that have occurred in many parts of the city between some of the large and medium size establishments on entertainment. and we are trying to understand what happened to all the other i think establishments that would like to have some role in being able to comply with the city

legally speaking and be able to permit so that their establishment can bring in added attraction and the musicians in by the entertainment that one would like. with what this legislation does is creates a whole other strata or tier so that those spaces of 200 square feet or less and within that given place of business would be able to go ahead and permit. the cost could be considerably cheaper with $439 with a $139 annual renewal spe fee. we expect based on the census survey we have been able to take around the city that hundreds and hundreds of calf face and restaurants would be -- that hundreds of cafes