to a level where the neighborhood action plan is implied and you are starting to prioritize by focussing on special needs areas and the criteria you listed for that. i really like that apit stop. and one of the thing -- i really like that approach. one of the things i didn't hear that is more in response to the presentation of how money is being spent is really attention to the large resource of quality plans we have. and many of the plans now have moved the historic planned arsenal of what the city is great at. and i hope that we find a way to really specifically not just focus on maintaining buildings and i am not diminishing the importance of that, because that living space was in some of our open space and is as important as the plans that make the space. and i am particularly concerned that with diminishing funds, the real preservation of countries

and plants in san francisco has gone far into the background. and that i hope that we have a really strong commitment to not only logging historic in plants and trees and also set aside the appropriate amount of funding to maintain them because the uniqueness of our open spaces is defined by the environment these plans place. and to give some space for discussing the policies and this might not be the right forum to discuss and that that to create revenue and a few weeks ago i was greatly shocked not by the

fact that people swing on the monkey cages over the entire plaza, but what it's doing to remaining space and it trashes the remaining space and doesn't provide lunchtime sitting in the sun environment that people have when these are not taking place with the better coordination when commercial users and what is left in open space in highly active areas of downtown or wherever it might be. there is the absence of rules and advanced warning and if we need to add that and if it's

done at my expense, where i don't see a benefit to the rest of the citizens, i have a problem with that. this might not be the right forum. and takes it away as a general quality of the city. awe president olague: commissioner miguel? >> i have a conversation with some of and i am and i presume the rest of the department have been receiving not huge but

somewhat large number of emails regarding the current draft revised in june of this year. and they are paste and copy emails and it leads me to that is someone behind this which is standard and that is perfectly all right, but that half of the people haven't read the document and they haven't referred to any section of it. if we, or at least i as a commissioner, are going to take suggestions and where does it appear in the document that there should be a change? i say this publicly that all the

emails are nice but don't guide us and allow us to do anything. i don't think they ever read the document. i have a problem on pages two and three of the document. and that is on page two and you go to page three and public right-of-way has been improved to enhance pedestrian experience and living streets and alley ways and there has to be a difference between tree planting on streets and an area that can be used by the public and the recreation department has never

never done that and that leads us to nowhere and i have no idea how many streets are involved and how many acreage and park land is there. i also have a problem with the dollar. according to the 2008 report and that tells me absolutely nothing about how much is spent perez dent and are we talking about the presidio trust and the gtra spends on their land or are we talking about what the water department spends on their

department? it doesn't tell me anything. i am getting a bunch of figures that lead me nowhere. i chaired the open space committee for about 6 1/2 years. during that time and it appears in other minutes that they siphoned off funds meant for acquisition into personnel use within the department. having been away since 2000, i can't say if this is still going on, but according to the finance

department and i have talked to a member who for many years has been the finance person at department, and she can't tell me exactly where the funds are going and how many use it or what it costs to run the facility or anything else. so we're dealing and i know that this is a policy document and i appreciated commissioner moore's comments on the commercial use and i tend to agree maybe not to the extent with arthur feinstein and i believe there is

the possibility of food service in the middle of a large space and there might even be in the middle of golden gate park a kiosk that rents bikes. you work with this sort of thing, but what was happening at the embarcadaro is abominable in my opinion and i don't know who would be in favor of that, but to do that to put money in the recreational coffers is very bad. i'll stop there. president olague: i wanted to mepgs and my questions -- i wanted to mention and my questions will probably be answered in the next couple of months that relate to access

issues and you showed the map and wondering if that covers areas that are underserved and are areas that have a higher population of youth and seniors is the question. >> i am wondering if youth and seniors and if there are access issues or issues of under representation to public space and are there fewer parks where fewer parks where seniors live and the map that showed the views but trying to get a sense of where the areas are. >> so i think i can say that

there are density usually correlates to the densest use and the densest seniors are and those pretty much show up in the last if want the show the slide and correlate with the densest areas and per person they have the least amount because they are so dense and the bigger spaces are on the western side of the city. and so the idea is because this is the priority renovation and acquisition area, the idea is to focus that money in the area and continue to look for areas to acquire and it's often a challenge in really dense neighborhoods and the thought is

that make sure the areas are really renovated and if you do that every five years because they are used to auf ed td to o need to look at the school yards and it is not well publicized and not necessarily green and sometimes they may be open and you may not know and it is a hard program and acts like a great idea, but we want to expand that. and a lot of different ways to think about it than simply looking at something and we have to acquire with a new open space to create good open spaces there if we can't acquire new spaces. president olague: some of what concerns me and selma and the sixth street corridor and victoria park and the rec center and there are a kinds of

maintenance and fees and so many people lost access to that facility during the budget crises, but i guess it makes sense to me in some ways, have you talked about some of the ideas with some of the landlord rs and the nonprofit housing developers? i am wondering if that conversation is taking place to brainstorm with maybe some of the tenants or -- >> because they do manage a lot of properties in both the tenderloin obviously -- >> that is a good idea. i think we have a focus group, but it's been a while since we talked to any and we worked with cdc who does affordable housing as well. and still working with them on other projects. see if i can connect with them again. president olague: and some of

the master lease properties and are they thinking about how to green the space for tenants? and everyone mentions roof top gardens and i am not sure that is necessarily the solution or if people would necessarily utilize that space, but i am just saying i am wondering as you mention thinking outside the box as a way to go because what do you do, right? >> and with the nonprofit housing units and there are some groups that i have been working with on that. but i am happy to get in touch with them and see if they have any other thought. president olague: and wondering if the tenants or even the landlords would have thoughts on what they could even participate in in tes of the funding. which may or may not be something, i am not sure, but pretty when you go out there, it is like concrete jungle literally. let's see. i guess the seniors and the

youth and those questions are the ones that are on my mind. i guess also i know we have been in conversation and i have been in conversation with you and claudia over the years about some of the outreach, so i know that actually contrary to perception there has been outreach done in some of the communities. but i am glad now that the sierra club is engaging with the department and sort of that's always good. but i know that i didn't want to not recognize the work that you have been doing over the past few years. >> yes, thanks. i think we did a lot of outreach and i do think we want to do more and want to make sure that everything is up to date and i think that will be coming up and to get everybody's comments and understanding everybody's comments and clarifying whether there is any misunderstanding. president olague: and the work that you have been doing and i

know because i was engaged in conversations and members of the public may not be aware of. and then finally, let me see. i had another question. but i guess it can wait. see if i remember what it is. commissioner sugaya. commissioner sugaya: maybe you'll think about it in the meantime here. i have a quick question. do we ever think about when we talk about looking at, i don't know, the right way to approach this, so, for example, i'll give you an example. the development that i live in has a small swimming pool and open space as a backyard. so people who live in this -- and it also has a gym. so are we ever able to take into account that kind of private situation when we're analyzing open space and recreation needs?

because a lot of it, for example, the condo developments have their own similar facilities, you might say, and that seems to me to contribute to alleviating, you might say, some of the necessity for public open space and recreation. >> i would say that it's something we want to -- to be increase by about threefold the requirement for open space perez denial unit and -- p per residential unit and that can happen in other areas to make sure that the private and the quantity of open space is up to the latest standards. and that is one thing we can do. we don't have any numbers on private open space. but generally we kind of often think and you sort of gave an example and we often think in less dense areas there is more

open space because of private backyards and in denser spaces there is less and generally that is probably true. that is why we use density as one of the key factors, but in your example, it sounds like you are in a dense place but still has the amenities. commissioner sugaya: thanks. president olague: commissioner borden. commissioner borden: i think this is really interesting and i look forward to more of the outreach. and it is interesting having lived in the northern part of the city next to presidio and where you have all the open space now being near delores park which is always packed because there isn't a lot of open space around there and it is pretty much that park and go to that park seven days a week and it is packed. and seven days a week it's busy and there is such a great need to deal with open space and those areas of the city and those are the areas where young people especially need it the most and to the extent that we can acquire new space and make sure that we keep the spaces as

whole as possible, i am glad that the renovation project is happening and i think it's a much-needed renovation project, but that you have a tall task you are looking at with the open space element and a lot of different things. i wouldn't want to see the counting of open private space toward public open space and unless you could make it accessible, right, which i don't think you can, and the private open spaces and i was just reading a tennis club that is $150 if you are not a member to rent a tennis court there. funny because everybody is talking about how it is an open space amenity for the neighborhood but it is $150 and recently promoted in some magazine i was reading as affordable for an afternoon on a tennis court which i think is very affordable. but i wanted to point that out. >> and remember, hdmt, i was going to ask if you could include d.p.h. next time.

>> megan is here, actually, a new megan. president olague: i can't recognize her. >> megan wall is taking over and will work to get relief with a new person. president olague: we worked a lot during the eastern neighborhoods process and to w the impact assessment and hdmt obviously is part of that. and so i wou next hear iing and it might lengthen the hearing to have you guys actually make a presentation about it. and i don't know if it should be as part of the open -- well, it should be as part of this. >> that is what i have proposed is she come and they are updating the hdmt this summer and so we're going to work over that and see how that might, as i mentioned, jennifer, the previous person, was that staff person who submitted comments on

the rose and those are all here and they have been involved but we want to reconnect. president olague: that could be great. >> that is next time. she will present on what we come up with over the next few weeks. president olague: good, great. and at some point we want to invite a status on the whole program. >> okay. >> i wanted to follow up because i think sometimes when we work in the rec park role and the planning role, we don't always look at how these elements affect and improve the work we do and i wanted to follow up on commissioner borden's comment and the region that mission delores park was included is the last se and the study and the map and that document told us and we were developing the last bond proposal that it was important to focus on the densest areas in the city and the formulas that you established in the and the

project of mission delores and the mission playground renovation and a couple of others use lafayette park also and those projects were in the densest parts of the city and these elements really make a big impact on our capital program that are helpful for us to do resighsly what you are talking about -- to do precisely what you are talking about. president olague: thank you and thanks for attending the meeting also. commissioner sugaya. commissioner sugaya: i would like to ask you a quick question. on this evaluation of 2.5 cents, i assume this is done on a yearly basis? and if so, how much revenue flows into the fund? >> in term of how the assessments are done, and probably the best person to answer that question and i can tell you that currently that is approximately a total of 36.2

million and this is a minimum of 5% set azide of real property. that is the requirement. commissioner sugaya: has this been going -- i guess if it is assessed valuation, it usually goes up. okay. thank you. to staff, ms. exline, in terms of the hearing process, are we going to get feedback from rec park on this? >> we went there yesterday and i was going to present on august 18 and they asked me to wait, so i think -- i'm sorry, we haven't spoken since that and i think they wanted to wait until september to go to the full

commission. the commissioners didn't have any comments and may in september. >> i think the commission was very interested in the element and appreciated all the work that we have been doing to get it to the place that it is now and sue mentioned some of the additional work she was going to be doing so i think that we need to confirm this with the commission, but again, the capital committee heard it yesterday and that we come back when some of that additional work had been done. i think that is what they are planning on. commissioner sugaya: thank you. i guess it's strange to me that we're talking about a rec and open space element and i understand there is coordination between staff and all and that relationship is probably pretty good but we have a whole commission that has the money to itch complement the kinds of thing -- to implement the kinds of things that we're going to adopt at some point and yet -- i

don't think how to characterize it. there has to be some additional engagement. >> and sue has made while we have been developing this with the planning director and sue has made presentations to the rec park commission and gotten their feedback over time and are continuing to do that and parks and open space advisory which one of your commissioners have been very involved with and giving us feedback over time and this is definitely something that's occurred over time. in addition, i have some slides where i can talk because it's a conversation that has been going on for a few years, there are things that the department is already doing to try and implement some of the things that the rose, the draft rose, talks about like activation of places that aren't fully activated and trying to find

ways with high needs areas and a recreation model and it was inspired through the convictions and the neighborhood park council and other people has been working on with community councils and what they like to see and a lot of the work they do on a regular basis. and i don't know how much the detail of that and you like to hear and those are do i understand of things that they are looking for in this document and that a lot of the things in the implementation plan we are doing and with police and trails and wrote and submitted and there is a lot of the things that are happen iing. commissioner sugaya: i like to have us all on the same page, so to speak, and input from your

commission. otherwise, it's not useless, but kind of an intersize in a sense and all commissions should be following it. >> absolutely. it did help us a lot in the last bond in the terms of the privatization and in terms of revising the acquisition policy right now and these are really good because i can use these maps in our acquisition policy. >> one more thing that we're working closely with the port, too, who couldn't come today, but we have been working closely with them, too. they are another big piece of this. president olague: thank you. secretary avery: thank you. that concludes that item. and commissioners, you are ready to move forward with item 18, amendments to your rule and regulations.

>> commissioners, earlier this year you had a public hearing and you expressed a desire on what you wanted to change in your rule and regulations and we produced a draft document and got that to you a few weeks ago. and made it available to the public as we produced the calendar. so we are open the draft document is before you for your discussion and you can make -- you can consider the issues and make any suggestions for additional changes. if you would like me to go through each one, i will. president olague: well, maybe just highlight the ones you think. >> the up withes that you mentioned at your last hearing, on page two, article four, section one t regular meeting, and you changed the start time

from 1:30 to 12:00 noon and that is the only change you made to the actual ruleses. in your appendix a., it's page six of the total document and is under discretionary review and included environmental and historic language -- included environmental and historic resource documents be attached to submittals and that goes through the entire document. and then under standard cases, under 2c, the same language is added. and also under standard cases you change d it and following through and on the language has changed to a presentation