direction where we're going to assemble and call in the agencys and it's going to be for parents and it's going to be on days the heavily visiting days, the services will then be made available for the parents. that's where the effective indications will be. >> how many youth have participated in these 3 saturday. >> at any given time. there's over 100 kid in the detention center. so, we make certain that even, there were some concern about the kids that were in there for a long time. even if there's no hope. i say, that's short sided because the experience of having kids interact with

helping adults is positive. you have the opportunity to engage with adults. over 350 kids >> so you're saying 350 kids participating in this? >> yes. anybody there was directed to come to this, yes. >> so the engagement is part of this. it's the follow up. how do we follow up. who's going to follow up? >> it's the responsibility of probation officers. >> i think it's back to what maya said, 350 for how many probation officers have to deal

with those 350 youths. there's probably one service provider. how do we coordinate so your officers don't have to go to the agencies? that's been the issues because how do i connect with the probation prove that's servicing the youth? i think it's figuring out how to set up the time where they don't have to try to hit 350 service providers to accommodate that. >> i think i may have mislead everybody. >> there may not be 350 individuals. there maybe some of the kids that were there on 2 occasions.

the engagements are not only based on what service are available or interesting on the part of the youth, it has to be also consistent with what vision of case plan is. that's really the challenging part about this. this is something we're working on very closely to make sure there's a follow up. it's still better than the folks being directed or encouraged to connect with an agency and there maybe some that falls off the chart. this is something very real and we're pledged to make this

continue >> when will you have a status on it this is working >> why don't you give us a couple of months? >> where do we look to? where do the communities look to to see if this is working. >> our director of community programs. lonny holmes. >> david, you participate in this process in a different way. you are an outside agency. can you tell us essentially what your center does to further the cause to some of this >> sure, i would be glad to. our center, the berkeley center

of law. so you know one of our basic tenant system that community and law enforcement need to work together. it's sometimes different for folks not used to working together. sometimes our partners have told us. it's helpful to have an outside agency come and serve as a catalyst to serve the folks on the ground. the chief talked about the juvenile strategy. we have worked with john tores and the san francisco police department and other organizations, as the chief talked about.

those who are most at risk. those are 18 to 24 years old. those are folks out of custody and were called in to receive the message that the violence must stop and it's community services giving the same message together with amount of service providers in the room. and again, the partnerships are really the key to that. one thing we have seen in the adult colin strategy. they have worked in a way they weren't doing before in term was co-case and coordinating. >> are you telling us, the call-in program, as it relates to young adults, you have seen a reduction? >> we are from a university.

when we talk about research. it's going to be propered and there's a significant reduction. we do know violence was down. however at this point, we can't say this intervention caused it. as we refine this and move into the bay view and begin a similar project in oakland much we will refine and to do more indepth research. >> are you going to tell us those results? >> who do we call? >> me. lonny and you. >> all of our information we share with our partners. so, another example as a

university, we are able to do indepth study on homicides. many of you have already heard the results. we were able to come up with the data 58 percent of happens within a small radius. there are tiny pockets. if we can target as the chief said. they are the same folks shooting each other. if we can target them and have community and law enforcement we can make a difference.

>> chief, any plan on expanding that in a way that david was speaking just now? >> i think that's a direction we would like to take. i like the notion of making better use of the schools and having schools stay open later and having the schools as a reporting centers. and having the probation officers at these centers. we don't have to call the kids in. they will come in naturally. that's the goal we see. i ran this 20 years ago and called in kids on intensive probation in chicago. and we would call them in on saturday. have an exam. have programs where the kids would perform. a

>> would come in. we would have sessions with their individual probation officers. have community service and then, wrap things up with a good meal later on. this is not anything new in the feel of juvenile justice. we just want to move step by step in this direction. >> what's taking it so long? >> staffs and community as well in our department. >> i want to move on a little bit. i want to talk about specifically police participation and i would like to ask lieutenant miranda. what do you think it would take to have more gun buy backs? >> if i can say one thing.

i want to commend john tores. i think he's doing a wonderful job. he's doing a lot of intervention. i will be quick. i have a quick story for you. when this first started. with john tores. it was like someone was drawing a line. it was police department on one side. crn's on one side. correct me if i am wrong. what are they going to say? who is going to retailiate. after the first meeting. we started to each other. again, it's not a perfect world. neither are the police. i think john has done a great job. i know he needs more crn's.

the more input he gets will be fantastic. >> thank you lieutenant. >> you know lieutenant, thank you for bringing that back up. we have something that is actually working. so, why don't we expand the crn program? just expand something that is working. who here. i don't want to pick on anybody. who can come up with a solution to expand something that is working? we have people already talking that are not always on the same page. but agree to disagree. >> i will throw this out there. i think that any kind of data is the ingredient that's necessary to prompt additional resources to come in. if we can tie in the crn's that

we all know into data, then, and we can prove it. i think that lens itself to expansion. >> is that something you could help with? >> one thing that's happening next week. street out reach workers from oakland and san francisco will be coming to talk about best practices. it's hard to prove what's causing violence to reduce. it takes tremendous resources on what's working. certainly what we want to do is

track the overall trends in violence. we are in the middle of a study and compare that to the study from 2004 to 2006. we are not just looking at the numbers. but getting behind the cases and get a story about the trends in violence and how different community and city partners can respond. it's difficult to say this one part is the reason for that. because there are a lot of moving parts and a lot of people working together. >> i would agree. >> i mean, we have been trying to find, has there been national data? how do we prove this as one

specific piece for collaboration? i think again, lieutenant, thank you for those words. there are effectiveness. but there's a clear link that this is the safest strategy. it's a work in progress. i am appreciative of ways to come up with data measures so we can say, definitively. this plays in the whole scheme the violence reduction >> i mean, i just want to be clear. it's not impossible. it's difficult and it takes time and resources. if we had the available resources to do an indepth study. it's a serious under taking. >> i followed up that. you know what. it's take it even further. let me say this.

it isn't rocket science. may be we don't need the data. >> i can think where crn's have helped. they have been able to put aside emotions. you can call me ernie. i don't call him chief. getting back to the gun buy back. i think we are right in line. we are doing the same buy back. we could use more. i think if you were to talk about gun violence. in 2006. we took 238 off the street and already in 2008. we have taken 296. a lot of people are high 5ing.

to me. where are those guns coming from. where are these guns coming from. if the numbers are becoming so high, we are quadrupling. we better find out where they are coming from. the gun buy back is good because it cuts down to domestic violence. you can no longer sell the gun. people are selling us guns they can't sell otherwise. i am not saying it's a bad program. we would like to have more gun buy backs. it always comes back to capabilities and your help to

get to the community and tell people. if you see a gun. call us. we will make a report. we just took an ak 47. we bought that gun and nothing happened. i would rather do that. it's not the absolute program. the other thing i wanted to stress. the call in. we have identified 44 who are at risk. they are either victims or suspects. 9 out of those first are shot are killed. with the target with the call in is working. we are doing bed checks. we go out with these probation

officers. i know where he is. we bring him home and do that 3 or 4 times. i just think that gun violence is really up and we have to get the guns off the streets. all you need is an id. if we don't get the support of the community, with no questions asked. i'm sorry i am taking so long. and we will be glad. we need to do more gun buy backs. >> i have more questions for you. did you want to say something? we moved on. it was only in regard to

expansion. there was a supplemental buy back and now they are in the planning stages. so, while it's been pretty tried and tested. it's still relatively new. they are different in some regard in their texture complexion and i think that there is on going discussion about evaluating the impact that those crn's are having in

those neighborhoods. i think folks have their eyes on it. they are a tremendous asset. and those most at risk. we support the work and want to be supporting those things have a maximum impact. >> you are a senior aide advisor. can i ask you when you go back and advise him and tell him me all think the crn program is working pretty well and put a plug in to expand that program. >> i think there are already on going conversations. we are going to coordinate all our out each efforts and make sure they are working in concert. >> okay. i want, cheryl, did you want to

comment on the bed checks? maybe, bed checks. ernie was talking about in the colin? cheryl? i have been ignoring you. but not really. anything you would like to add before we move on here? no. i did want to say. i want it to be really clear. the partnership we had with mlcj. it wasn't an attack on the mayor's office. i think the challenge for us to figure out how when someone workd and another part of it doesn't, how do we make it work together? that's part of what as we kind of move on. realizing that we need to stay connected to community to some component. they know how to get community

members and how do we educate and begin to help them be developed into the leaders we want them to be. lieutenant ernie. when was the last gun buy back we had? >> approximately 2 months ago. >> how many more will we have? >> again. it's all a matter of putting together the resource. we do get a lot of resolvers. it's a matter of getting all the people together. >> what people are you talking about? who do you need to make it happen. it's a resource program. the police department needs

officers to do the leg work and footwork. we need the community also. i always call san francisco a village not a city. people transverse so easy. east san jose and west jose. they are here. one shooting effects everybody in this room. i hate to talk statistic. one crime affects you. you. it doesn't matter who it is. >> why is it so hard to get people together? >> let's make it a priority >> can i say, i mentioned earlier. i think that it's beginning to

happen. i don't want to negate those efforts are being made from the mayors office and d.c. yf. i think john osaki mentioned it before. getting people to come together for the betterment of the community not for their department or organization >> one thing cheryl brings up. what i like to tell people. we have the very difficult task the balancing the public's expectation of today. they don't want to hear about the long-term strategies to make sure this isn't popping up next summer. it allows us to front load. we have turf issues.

they are not in the western edition. they are among cv o. check the egoes at the door. they are costing us the lives of the young people. it requires us to have the will to come together to say enough is enough. >> i am on is this gun buy back. anything, any sense in your organization of any plans for any future coordination efforts? >> there are discussions about the gun buy backs. we have to deal with the issue of access to firearms. while i think that particular

program is important, i think we need to go back to ernie's point. what are we doing about the overwhelming access to the guns. it's just one of the strategies. one of the challenges is attracting the communities. it's not the 15, 16, 17-year olds who are bringing the guns to us. the reason being. when we talk to the young people. why didn't you show up. even if i'm giving you a $250 voucher. we have to get a little more

innovative approach. i know it's different as a state and nation to grapple with the manufacturing of automatic weapons. >> what i hear often. that's just one strategy. that's just one program. we have to do this. why don't we take what we're doing and expand what we're doing? my next question. what do you plan to do about the accessibility? what can we? >> ultimately. the more and more youth don't have the ability to either call themselves get a job. graduate high school. you got more insecurity with their personal selves. of course. they have already grown up with issues in their family. the ultimate i think is.

we have one part to play. we can't play all the parts. as long as we all come together. we can do the big work itself. the ultimate thing is that us coming together is really going to show the difference with the youth we're working. we are able to get the guns off the street. they will be back. not by the choice the youth. >> i would also like to say, mayor newsom has tried to take the approach to enact legislation to out law gun shows. minimize the availability of folks to purchase now firemans. we are limited by state and federal law. when we look at