documentation. i think that's an important cost that gets pay back. because leed is third party verification. so talking to real estate agents. when they appraise places and say, this is absolutely a green place. third party verification will be a little stronger. hopefully that will get folded into the price. >> we have some clients that say, we want to do it in leed standards. why we disencourage them from that and encourage them to go through the certification is a lot of it is processes that happen during construction. how you deal with your construction waste. are you recycling it? are you dividing it out? even your construction processes, you are avoiding

contamination? your rigger, i think isn't going to be the same if you're not realizing you need to prove this . you can talk about the construction processes >> it's absolutely. having to document every material used in the place and we were taking pictures constantly. it really forced us to up the anti. >> so documentation is a huge issue? >> so you at the contractor had to keep collecting the stuff and keeping it in order and submit it somehow >> we submit today online. but it was a great way to keep tabs on everything and to realize do we have everything taken care of? >> there's something else i remember. the company, this is what this

cost us. and that is actual control of the construction environment. i remember we have to segment the place with plastic and fans and somebody was actually monitoring everything was okay. controlling the environment >> so the leed is not just the products at the end? >> as a general contractor. we look after the health of our employees and ocea doesn't do all that. in that way, it's worth the intense for sure. >> a team member or 2 team members are not here. one is the move manager and the other team are the vendors. they are in here, the

furniture, and other products. because without them, even when you are moving in and you are planning the move. all the card board. what are you going to do with that? what are you going to do with the packing materials. even when you do that, how are you going to control the environment? there's this whole process. design is fine. construction is fine. there are other parts, moving in and even after that, we have a committee that's working on how we live green in the space. going beyond the design and the construction. how we live in the space. >> what do you do for recycling here? >> we actually have in our office, the way we work together. we are defining satisfaction, to be an employee, we have

conditions of satisfaction for operating in a green way. we have people that are committed. they have a little area where we put food scraps. it's a personal commitment, they are taking it back to somewhere it can be composted. we have special printers that all they have in them are print that's already done on one side. if you know you're doing a draft, it will be on the back of somebody. i am trying to think of the some of the other policies. the cleaning products. we talked with our landlord. we were happy to find out, they

were already committed to that and the janitorial service was already using those. >> it's a good time for questioning >> your in a historic building, does leed count toward that, you did not replace any of the windows with double glazed windows. how is energy accomplished to leed gold and 3 is did you have leed compliance with construction debris. 4 is have you done audit on how well the space is performing in reduced mechanical load? >> let's start with question

one. has to do with historic building. i see laura is here. she is formally department of environment. do you get points in leed for being in a historic building? >> well the historic building in san francisco, it's to make sure the different strategies to achieve green credits actually meet all t codes, >> you may not get specific leed credit, however, you get other benefits, you get priority permitting under our building and planning processes.

what other advantages? you get to use the historical building code. it does not talk about designation. there was a lot of talk how to incorporate historically features into sustainability programs. because as we were saying before, the biggest problem is, beverly said the codes are already there. okay question 2. was about the windows. you did not replace the windows. how does that work into your energy consumption. we did not retrofit.

how we tried to combat that was on window shades. on the reverse side that faces towards the exterior of the building is a reflective surface that keeps the solar gain out of the space. leed does award you per replacing windows. because anyone sitting close to them is freezing most the time because it's leaking all of the hot air. that's another example if we really wanted to do something like that. we would have this to work with the building owner. for beverly prior to come in here and change that, we would have had to create an equitable

benefit. >> let me talk about windows. i have opinions about windows. you really are not generally well served by replacing historic windows. that is usually in the a good strategy. even though it's a quick and easy way to gain credits. there's a whole embodied principle. they add to the historical value. it's hard to replace with same windows. if you insist on putting in double glazing. you can use the old windows. many buildings are using curtains and drapes that provide energy efficiency at night. so it's not, just the

replacement of them. we have seen them replace them again and again. modern windows don't last 100 years. >> i was going to add that one of the things that people don't necessarily think of is offices it's usually the heat load. even in cold climates, it's the heat load because of the lights. the human bodies. computer systems. printers. there's so much off loading of heat. in san francisco, we're in such a mild climate. i thought it was understanding, i wanted to underline the heat load. she wasn't talking about getting too cold. sometimes we come in on monday

and generally it's about heat in the space. >> question 3. anybody remember question 3 from bruce? >> bruce asked about construction waste. for points for construction waste. on this project, we recycled nearly 95 percent of the construction demolition waste and parts of that was our efforts is separating material and where they go. where does dry wall and wood go. the city was very helpful. they could have taken the metal, but we took it ourselves. copper is like gold these days. so that was easy. and we're convince on our next project, we could do 100 percent. >> there's a city ordinance

that demolition waste be taken to recycling facilities and then they separate it out. the city's goal is by 2020, a zero waste policy. we are in the 69 percent now. so we're headed way up 31 percent is trash. we are on a steep curve here. >> okay. >> just to add to that. part of that is thinking about the materials you put in. the insulation is recycled denim. it's much more appealing than

getting rid of particle fiber. >> toss that over here. throw that over here. >> this is insulation. you want to hug. it's so cozy. it's not like most the fiber glass. >> recycled denim. where did you get this stuff. where can you buy this stuff? >> like we said earlier, it's more common >> the project was able to divert 90 percent of the waste. so can the person that's not so engaged if green building about where to go. >> the city has a wonderful web page that actually listed materials and where they can go.

so it has a pull down menu. in addition, subset scavengers. they were able to help the documentation. >> that's part of the requirements under this construction and debris. they have to track this stuff. >> and the fourth question is how do you monitor the efficiency that you're actually gaining from these things >> to a certain extent. that's more difficult. we don't get's separate bill. the landlord, it's all part the bill that they're pay to go pg

and e. >> this has been models. we had to have mechanical engineers. one on the landlord's side and one on ours >> i think it was 15 or 20 percent >> beyond title 24. so there that has been models that were generated, but if would be good to actually see it happen >> it was a really good question. a lot of times we theoryize. >> that's right. two thing encourage.

the state of california allows for submetering. >> submetering that each tenant space can have their own meter. >> instead of dividing by floors >> bomo. building owners and managers association. we really encourage building owners to sun meter so they can hold owners accountable. you had another point. as far as really knowing how much energy the building uses, we also encourage seeing in design is reality. then make the tweaks necessary or fix the problem. >> don't touch that bike.

>> we have bicycle racks and what other features in our kitchen? >> we have the motion censors. daylighting >> motion censors are required now. when you walk in, you are triggering a light. it's not like switches. that allows the lights to go out when it senses nobody has been moving for a while. what if i fall asleep at my desk. >> these actually have sonic detection as well. if you are sitting very still, it will still pick it up >> we have sky lights. and these light fixtures are a really great sustainability story. they are old traffic lights

that have been recycled. to get consumers to reduce draws. all the cabinets are ago materials. this is another sustainable material. it's a renewable product. >> how about the flooring? >> the flooring is a low voc non-vinyl tile. it has none of the detriments of vinyl. we have the recycling area

where paper, glass and aluminum. >> compost. >> i will show i some of the office and how we operate. this is our composting is down here. all our cleaning products are green certified products. we are running out of space for our bike racks. we used to be like 3 riders. now we are 4, and 5. more and more people are riding to work. that's one of the commitments we have within our office >> somebody whispered to me that marvin johnson was recently named city and county

bike commuter of the year. we are proud to have marvin to the office. we have a dish washer when is an energy star. part of being green. we are not using paper plates or styrofoam cups much minimal paper towels. so if you look in the cabinets, we have lots of bowels and plates and regular flat wear. we run the dish washer because that's part for the environment. >> this is david green, senior electrical inspector. >> i just had a question on the flooring, i noticed linoleum is starting to come back.

i just was wondering how this relates to linoleum. we does use this in lieu of laminant >> linoleum is a linseed based >> pressed linseed. on a jute backing. it's a double whammy. >> the photo luminescent signs, we didn't have to put in electric signs. we are using the daylight to charge the photo luminescent. >> the building code allows you to use is that. there are 2 sides to it all. this is a very toxic waste. you have to deal with it in a toxic waste manner. when we recently changed from

arsenic treated woods, it's corroding, we saved something, but we have to look at the unintended consequences >> part of the learning about green was dealing with things like these exit signs. we made a field trip to the permit department and actually presented, robin had accumulated information on this and where it had been accepted. we anticipated an inspector would come in. there's definitely battles to be fought. >> you guys are pioneers.

>> when beverly and her staff were moving to this space, there were going through a branding. we took that idea and put in it in a 3 dimensional space. it's a very identifiable from any point in the office. >> we're inside the red cube. some of the green features are the wood floor we're standing on. >> what kind of wood is this? >> this is, i believe, chestnut. >> that's the great thing about using wood. it's you'll find species and

different types of wood available through fsc that aren't available any other way. >> it's real nicely laid. >> the resin panels are 95 percent recycled content. we use that as well on the reception desk. it has a bamboo surface. which is a rapidly renewable resource. >> so you work for hunts man architect url group. i have to ask beverly, you hired an architect. >> i think it's in appreciation of, that architects can

appreciate the value that other architects bring to something. we had several factors. one was that we were very busy ourselves with keeping our country clients happy and the idea of taking the time to focus on this wasn't a good use of time. tenant improvement was not our special. we talked with a number of interior oriented firms. we are very ambitious and what we're offering. we wanted to hire an interior design firm that could bring

that kind of specialness to this space. we are very are happy with what they brought to us >> did you learn anything about working with architects >> i remember when they put their proposal, they were more concerned about having a client that was an architect. we had a lot of ideas ourselves and had done a lot of the preliminary work. we haven't really shown that. may be we did a lot. but these work areas and how the project manager gathers around. we had our own ideas. i think we were probably a good client because we were able to articulate and able to collaborate. that idea of having the move

manager, the builder, designer, us all together was what facilitated us doing it so quickly. >> i really want to reenforce that you guys were a fantastic client. there was a lot of collaboration . we would develop a conceptual sketch and pass it off and it was a very collaborative process. it wasn't a hunts man vision. we had one person who we worked with the entire time corralling the entire staff philosophy. >> how did you choose this building in regards to the

landlord's receptiveness? >> we did not screen the landlords. if you do want to do a green project, might you screen which buildings you move into. what you find in san francisco, it's very infrequent that there's a whole new subdivision built and you say, i want house b, plan b on this block. here's what i'll negotiate. it's hit and miss and what comes up on the market. finding space that met our square footage requirements, very important for us to be close to public transportation. we fell in love with the high sealings. >> thank you for having us here. it's a terrific project.

for hosting us and providing drinks. hope to see you soon. >> thank you lawrence.