somewhere link. we should probably do that. it is a fairly specific nightclub promoter definition. it is not supposed to be people in the park singing happy birthday to each other. it is very specific. we do not want to make it such that it starts with the kind of promotion that the city of san francisco and nightclub has seen problems in. primarily it is people using places of entertainment at 10:00 p.m. or later. so, i hope that is helpful. >> [inaudible] >> the consequences of having a problem.

if you are a promoter and you have a problem that requires the city to come, the consequences are that, possibly, it will be required for you to continue to operate as a promoter, you may have to get event insurance or a variety of other things that might be imposed. does that make sense? let's [inaudible] -- >> [inaudible] >> i am hopeful that in the next month or two we will do version 1.0. i am sure that we will get some bugs and we will fix it, doing

2.0. in a couple of months i want to push this to be raised, and it is very close. after today we might have to beef it up a little bit. >> [inaudible] [no audiojustify the actual dat? >> it is not going to be a listing of where someone is working. simply -- are they registered. it is your obligation to make sure that you are using someone who is registered. >> [inaudible] >> this is not for venues.

this is for promoters. they all have to use registered promoters. if you are not, you are out of compliance. beating out of compliance, you will get a visit from vaj. it is not a good thing to be out of compliance. he is really tall. any more questions? hang on a second. >> what happens if the venue was also the promoter? >> to me that is not promotion. not in my book. you could register yourself for the hell of it. then you would be in compliance with yourself. yay. [laughter] >> [inaudible]

>> they might be. the point, of course, is even if they are someone who is not a corporation or business in any way, they can still register. is that simple. it does not have to be a business. of course, if you are doing business in san francisco as a promoter and business, we will strongly encourage you to register with a business certificate. to do all of the things that you guys do as small businesses. certainly, we will encourage all of those folks to do that. if it is someone that falls into this category once, again, this is not hard.

this is free. this is super simple. i am sure that we can work it out, if it is not a required field, depending on what you are and are not. you can see. cy, how about that thec -- ya, -- cya, how about that? mickey? there is no dumb question. >> [inaudible] >> that is a good question and i do not have a good answer. the fact is that this was the

best that we could come up with to figure this process. sure, mickey mouse can sign up and make a big number. we are hopeful that every one, being irresponsible, that that will happen very little, if not ever. it is not a pair of five list and let's do it. debate, let's go. >> [inaudible] >> bright. right. >> [inaudible]

>> the point, of course, is i have never said in my mind who is ultimately responsible. guess who it is? you. not the promoter. at the end of the day, stuff goes downhill. it is on you to make sure that you use promoters the to contrast and the to manage, essentially. it is a partnership. hopefully not -- here is the key, i will be going home to my dog now. you have got to work with these promoters. at the end of the day, the same consequences are going to hold.

>> [inaudible] >> i understand. >> [inaudible] >> right. it would be great if it was like yelp for promoters. unfortunately, we are just not going to be able to do that. more than legal reasons, we cannot put in the place of liability. that just will not happen. i will encourage you guys to make one up on your own. i will take one more question

and then move along. >> [inaudible] >> to go back to that. go back one more. one more. i suppose that we just, if you are asking about places i have worked, ok. i will ask. i have got the hook.

i will move on [laughter] -- i will move on. [laughter] how're you doing? are you awake? ok. this is exciting for us. for me, anyway. we started the entertainment commission in 2003. the police were issuing permits forever and ever before that. basically, we had one permit for everyone. that was the same permit that 1015 and the singing waiter had to get. that is not right. if it is expensive, it takes a long time. it is not the right thing for everyone. we were finally able to create, with the help of the small business commission and a bunch

of other people at city hall, a new permit. it is called a limited live performance permit. you can see that we did not use the word entertainment. that was on purpose. it is for live performance only. what that also means, and not everyone is happy about this, at the moment the legislation does not cover dj's. i do not want to debate that now. we can debate that later. it is a big difference between what a place of entertainment costs right now. this live performance activity has to be considered an accessory to use. meaning that essentially it is entertainment being added to a

cafe, restaurant, wine bar, whenever it is. if this were not to have been, this business would not close. this is just something that they are doing so that they can, hopefully in this economy, bring more people into the venue. performances must take place within 400 feet or less. that is the planning step -- planning department's explanation of excess reuse. that is the requirement for where you put the performers. the last bullet this super important. performances must be over by 10:00 p.m.. i think that the cool part is that there are tons of businesses that wanted to do gospel brunch. they wanted to at happy hour and entertainment in the form of

spoken word, open like, you name it. they went screaming out of the room because of the cost and how much time it takes. in many cases, not only was it something where the entertainment commission had to run them through the paces, but they were for a conditional use authorization. i do not know if you have been through that process, but it is not fun. the whole thing was, in some cases, six months of an ordeal. this permit does not require a conditional use authorization. even in places where entertainment is conditional use. if that is confusing, sorry, that is all that i can say. the ending time was crucial, not necessarily competing with those

of you that have venues that start at 10:00 p.m. on. the timing of this right now is that it may fit through the first read of the board of supervisors when they come back from recess. they come back in early september. it should be on second read. the mayor will hopefully sign it within 30 days. nicholas king, i do not know how many of you know him -- nicholas, raise your hand. i am happy to say that he is handling a lot of the permit applications now. they will be ready to go right away. we know that there are a lot of places operating right now that are operating out of compliance.

helping to scoop up those people on the piano in their restaurant. they do not cause any problems, but we need them all in compliance. this permit still requires a hearing. still requires notification of neighbors. we think that it will be -- i think that it will be a really good thing. the entertainment commission, as far as this small business commission, we are really hopeful that this will be a good thing for entertainment, live music, and musicians in san francisco. any questions? no? i did a good job. right on. so, i am done with mine. commander correa is here. i do not know how many of you

remember dick crenshaw from last year. he retired, much to our chagrin. happily, we have his replacement in the form of commander correa. [applause] >> it is amazing how many of you i recognize, but i am used to seeing you later in the day. good morning to those of you that worked late last night. the comments so far, i do not know what i can add. telling you a little bit about myself, 31 years in the police department, i have worked everywhere, it seems to me. i am sensitive as a station capt.. i know the whole process and how it works. i have run my own businesses over the years.

i was brought back to the police department. it is a long story. i understand revenue and expenses in real terms, not abstract terms. i appreciate the balances in the industry. my role is to support economic vitality and support public safety. to me, that seems to be the balance. i of the stand that you have a good relationship with crenshaw. i think that that will continue. i do miss being involved in the day to day, neighborhood stuff. my excitement come from this role, as well as parks and recreation. my father often said to me that if i have a chance to stop

talking, i should take it. he also said that it is not having the answers in life, it is framing the questions. i am thrilled at the notion of these breakout sessions. stopping to talk about what the issues are, thinking about ideas and the future. there are two things that i live by. most of the problems at the end of the day, then i do not stay very involved. and working with bluegrass, i was inspired by the way that you operate your business is in dealing with its complexities.

abc licensing and i do not know if i can raise this quietly and then stepped off stage. i will try. on the licensing issue which is a foul day that falls on him i will work out my recommendations. we have a 20 day extension allowed. now, that said, if you have this as of veil license and you can

contact them at 543-1049. i can only say that we will work with you and tell you what we are doing. to know -- do not wonder what is going on. the other issue is parking lot issues. we were in a meeting two weeks ago who did the rationale apnea ryan and and i saw a rough reflection on the venue. i think that there is

legislation going through to deal with that. the police code, which took effect late last year, took the process of parking lots in the hands of the police department. it is an annual inspection, as well as an analysis of the location if you have a parking lot -- may be the operator leaves at the clock and cornell i want to shoot you -- sheet those questions directly on to the alcohol liaison unit. they will make sure that the proper people are involved, or they will be in it themselves. there is a revocation process. we can talk with them than about

things like lighting, security, who is that the lot and what hours. that kind of stuff. i hope that the discussion have been i am glad to take any question if anyone has them. let's [inaudible] i appreciate your approach in your thoughts. i have always felt that is -- it is a very slow city.

wax [inaudible] -- >> [inaudible] people in the department have had attitudes around night life, i felt they were counterproductive. when i worked for hours on a new leather bar on bolten street, they were trying to limit the hours to midnight for nights per week. a perfect way to close a business. [laughter] i think they have done such a

great job. this is just a commercial. an award is rent -- deserved for the people who are responsive, putting in a big picture. i really appreciate that you will be able to get it done for us. i appreciate that. >> so much of what she said resonated with me. i cannot say enough about david and his crew. they are so on top of things. where are things on the process? give them a call and you will find a very open door.

i lived in the city. i left for six months once that i could not stand it. i do take advantage of the night life. probably more restaurants these days. talking about job creation and economic vitality, we do not turn the lights off when the folks are gone. lots of people are out in the still thank you for -- in this. thank you. [applause] >> i wanted to explain a bit about the break out. if you could say, i hope that you will. i think that this is one of the most important parts of this. one, getting you all in a room

together. you are in your venue all of the time. when you are not there, you go home and are with your dog, or whenever. obviously, i want you to meet each other. breakouts, i will try to create four if we can. two groups. one will be in the small room. i was going to try to do two on either side of this room. do your best. there will be someone in the group to redo what we can.

this is great. thank you for coming. i really appreciate it. [applause] arewebcastinwe are webcasting . supercool, i think. to do that well, we need to be amplified a bit. i know that we lost some folks. nick, did you take notes? what i wanted to do was have you come up here. we were all in different groups and hopefully we have things to

learn from each group. quickly, because i know it is getting late, vaj, do you have your notes? did we wind up with four or three? this seemed like a great session. we do have another microphone, if there are questions that come up. but i think that these will be closing comments. >> you can correct me, if you heard something different, but i heard points one, too, and three were a more pro-active police presence. proactive policing, instead of just responses to emergencies and deterrence.

in general, there seemed to be a sentiment of a bid of nickel and dime business. whether through fees or regulations. or a sense that we have to do a better job to make sure that regulations are appropriate, fair, and balanced. one more, dealing with neighbors. we can do a better job of trying to address people's complaints in a constructive way. trying to figure out a way to deal with components that do not go away, even if other people do not think that there is a problem. that is what i heard. anything else the to would like to that? -- that you would like to add? >>