not the project. the owners claim the plumbing and electrical must be cut off at the beginning of the project and throughout the duration. that is not true there are all kinds of ways to address that issue, like having a plumbing, electrical, etc. the other thing is a toxic dust concern, and that is controlled by the contractor who would be responsible for a beijing any toxic materials -- abating and a toxic materials. i understand they did not have

any tests done. goo>> my thing is what is the td issue. >> they say the building cannot be ensured. we insure buildings all the time. >> we can hear from you now. >> i am going to speak briefly about what i have today.

they were speaking about the family's plans for this building, and i want to quickly address exhibit 13, and he may have misread its. there are two parts. one is the $200,000 payment when the foundations are finished, and the other regards the tennis. good -- tenants, and it was our hope to get this done. >> within a year, does it start when this permit is approved?

>> i think it starts on the 30th your ego -- the 30th. >> you are not going to be able to have a year. >> yes. >> we understand the responsibilities due to neglect and disregard. the framing is rotten and unstable. they are fire prone and now, and the plumbing is leaking.

it is a death trap out worse. we are red flagging our own building because we note this needs to be addressed immediately. we are concerned about what is beyond our walls and our basement. noise and eruptions, power, water. we will be wearing masks and earplugs. it is a huge inconvenience. our contractors of experts that

are geared known not to live in such an environment. we have a long relationship with state farm who has told us they will not insure us with this. we have $200,000 and receiving upon and june 30 of 2012 if we complete the process. if you show an income ratio set forth by the bay. -- the bank. we do not know when we are going to have vacant apartments again. i do not see a situation where the building has two vacancies

in the future. it is not a place to call home. we want the board to stabilize it so we can have our tenants return. >> will you stop the clock again? you can do this winter and six months? >> yes. >> you will be doing work within the apartment? >> yes. >> how much beyond do you think it will take? >> we think we can have the units have a double within nine or 10 months -- habitable within nine or 10 months. >> i have been doing structural engineering whiz in the region within eight years.

this is a foundation without water. they have a glorified bras that does nothing but a cabinet and which retaining walls. they have recommended a new foundation system, and that is what we are providing. it is to the benefit of everyone to do this as quickly as possible. we want to vacate the premises. they will slaughter us if we block this. we need to do this quickly. i am the structural engineer at the intersection.

a horrific fire last week. we are lucky people did not lose their lives. the wiring is atrocious. that is what is causing fires. my client has the right to upgrade this building. he wants his building to bee passed on to his family. he wants to do the right thing. the system is perfectly suited for vertical loading all lanes -- only. we want to do this project as quickly as possible so we can accommodate the end bring these five in a safe building -- bring these back in a safe building everyone can be proud of.

>> good evening. i am very familiar with no work in the city. you are required to do a survey, and to a base that is quite a nice job. on the electrical wiring, most of them have 14-gauge wire. you can imagine when you are plugged into a 14-gauge out let they are supposed to allow 15. now that is going to get hot. by the time you plug in all your electronics, it creates a hazard.

to rewire a place, you have to open up walls and ceilings. is a major job. i would not want to live in it, and i urge to uphold. >> is there any departmental comments? >> i think the time is expired. >> good evening, commissioners. i do not think there are any questions, and we do not have any way to say how they do it.

i have seen these buildings were both units are totally located. we do not lose occupancy. the building department could get involved. if is unsafe, it is likely to be because of new lead or dust, but i heard someone mentioning the use of jackhammers. gooi would urge them to figure t something on always so but we do not get those calls. that sometimes causes problems.

nonthe permit would expire after three years. if there are further questions -- >> can you talk about -- you mentioned cases where people have stayed in the building while the work took place. of what about the lead and asbestos people talked about? it seems that would been in the air. >> they could ask for some sort of testing, and someone could be cited for that. it all depends. it varies, but i have seen who people living through seismic upgrades, because most of it takes place on the foundation curator -- on the foundation.

i think someone also pointed out they sometimes rotate the tenants. that is another situation we are not used to seeing, but that is not something we do. >> we did hear about meaning to open the wall, so that would disturb the wall as well as the ceilings, but we heard about that in regard to the plumbing upgrades, but the permit is not for those things?

>> it all falls into the other, because the opening of the walls would be part of the building, which the building inspector would in spec. there is a program in san francisco for a safe practices during a demolition and anything the and they would have to appeal to the. there is an ordinance would save practices regarding lead. >> that complicates people staying in the building. >> it is more for the work.

they have to put down car. they have to make sure they do cleanup and all the stuff. >> that address is one of the questions i have. >> there is a letter on the record of this building would not be insurable. do you know if the practice is common? >> i have never come across the before, but i did understand that your good -- i never understood that. we would not get involved in that. >> why would you understand they would send a letter like that? >> because the building may not be safe, and if the building was in temporary shoring and

something happened, those ethnic complicates structure? -- does that complicates structure? i have never seen that before. i find it interesting as well. >> i think tonight the appellant makes other buildings so they were able to move around. the project sponsor has stated those were larger buildings were something where that was practical. given the type of seismic work that is going to be done, do you

think it is feasible to have people living in those units when that is going on? >> when that is going on in the units? >> given the type of seismic work is contemplated. >> i think it would be in the basement or garage aboat that point. i have seen people living through that before. i have seen people living in their houses. they tend to not use that room for a while. it all depends. i think the engineer might be better speaking about that, but i have seen people living through construction, and i have seen people moving out.

if you are going to take it off throughout the entire unit, there is no way you can live there. that is when it becomes really uncomfortable and dangerous, and sometimes you may have to move the kitchen cabinets out of the way, so you lose your kitchen, but it is more of an inconvenience. >> the issue having to do with plumbing and electrical, a representative for the appellant suggested it was possible to bypass. there is some way to do all the work and continue to supply tenants with plumbing and electrical. >> i have seen that you can

bypass a circuit and use a different circuit and not the power in one unit and keep it now on in another. i have seen they can do that. that sounds reasonable. >> i just remembered another question. you feel you have a familiarity with the scope in the garage, what it would involve, how much time it might take? >> it all depends. i do not know how big their crew would be. if you have enough people and

you wanted to get it done quick, you could get it done quickly. i would say maybe six months. it all depends. it is a foundation that is a structural upgrade. it is hard to say, because those projects this size would have a timeline, and they are pretty strict about that. it is a foundation for the apartment building. >> of 5-unit building would be

significant to the project birgit >> i would say six months would be conservative. >> thank you. >> is there public comment on this item? seeing none, we will move into rebuttal. >> it is is important not to serve just -- to note that they could live within the garage, and assuring could be done to make it saves. there are only three people and the building, and we are suggesting we move to a vacant units, and after the ground work was done, and then removal happens in the units they are

living in very good -- they are living in. it does not spread into the units. that is what neil we talked about. gooit is just a matter of switching the service one day and turning it back on, and the ones that are caps are the ones that are going to be removed. there has been no testing if they are concerned about dust.

they are going to have yoto do . you cannot have as best dose -- asbestos coming in. there is no reason why it cannot be done with the tenants in the second and third floor and done in seven months, and then they are not going to get the second 200,000 because they are not going to get the increases, so if you have any questions. >> i do have a request. it states something with request

to the payment. >> what we stated was there would be some cost savings. >> are the requesting payment of their storage? >> they cannot pay out of their own pocket if they did not have some of the money to fund it. the other option would be if the board does not feel they can keep them into the building for the whole time, then obviously

the relocation is much less as well. >> i know you disagree about whether or not the tenants have to be moved, but there must be some projects were you would agree it is very necessary to move to the tenants out of it, and it is going toward the idea that i would agree that 8500 and now seems inadequately. why is that so low? >> it is a three-month term. 8500 as a rental deferential makes some sense, but when we are talking about a project that is going to take nine months, it

is not going to cover those long-term tenants. 8500 will cover it for a month or two but not beyond that -- not beyond that. >> certainly they must contemplate that some projects take longer than three months by necessity. >> they have a provision that allows the landlord to request an extension. they are supposed to do it within three months, and if not, they have to justify the extension. >> as far as you know, is everything of done? >> according to law? yes, there has been no attempt

to evict yet. goowe are not contesting he shod not do the work. we are not saying we do not think this works. some of this is voluntary. it is not necessary. >> what part is not necessary? >> the walls above the ground floor, those not required by code. the two things in this for months that require the removal of the wall finishes. >> they would have to be removed to complete the electrical and plumbing work but not all of them. you do not remove all the walls and the entire apartment.

the removing of nature walls appears to be for purposes of sound insulation and the perimeter walls, putting them on the interior and not on the exterior. >> we know from the freeze there was some negotiations that took place -- from buthe brief there were some negotiations that took place. to some have to do with an amount beyond 8500? >> we were sent the papers, and we were meant whiffs -- met with resistance. >> thank you. >> i am a tenant in the

building, and if you will bear with me while i make a written statement. furs are will state i do not want to relocate because it will be a great financial hardship. relocation is not financially possible, as the relocation payment would only last a few months and i would not be able to pay the new rent. there are some teand landlords to make every effort to cooperate with tenants. i have been there through two earthquakes, and it rides very nice. we only ask that a hardship for displacement be mitigated by allowing us to stay. we asked the board modify this. for the record, i would like to correct misrepresentations that concerns me. the effort to discredit me