our thanks to our distinguished panel for their comments here today. now, we open the floor for a q&a session. we will be passing around a microphone, so if you have questions, please raise your hand and speak into the microphone. >> i have a key question about the backup plan. you mentioned the super bowl earlier. what is the backup plan in the unlikely catastrophic event of the disabling of the system? solar storm or whatever. >> there are lots of things that can go wrong. the rights can hit the planet, and the things go dark, and then we fix it. in general, the technology you are talking about is something which is broadly called cloud bursting, where essentially, is used by google and other folks, there's not one computer called

google.com. there's a basilian sitting behind a thing. there is a concept called load balancing, and it has been augmented of late with the ability to dynamically spinoff new instances of server applications in response to spikes in demand. the general concept called cloud bursting allows you to do that across multiple cloud vendors, so you could do it across amazon and various other people say you could get geographic diversity and so on. people doing this extremely well, for example, would be netflix. many of you in this room i'm sure use the netflix. what they did is dynamically throw what is this is as more and more people click on movies that they want to watch. so then what they are doing is as the need scales, they then have the ability -- they pay them, and, of course, it drops off as soon as the need drops off as well. so they end up essentially paying for average demand. the technology is widely deployed around the world.

>> as kind of a follow-up, individuals often use cloud services for backing up their computers. are we about to see people using their computers to back up their clout services to guarantee that they hold on to their data? >> you are at the tip of a very interesting iceberg. go 100,000 miles in space and look down at the earth. we are still driving more wavelength down. there is no problem distributing content out to users. what we have a fundamental problem with is distribution of power. power is dominating in terms of distribution networks q one of the reasons why it does not make sense is because you are at the end of the tree, a long way from distribution, a lot of transmission loss. the data centers move to where power gets generated. what is the next hardest thing to move? big data. did it is still really hard to

move, even though we have lots of wavelets. that says that the application moves to the data is. if you think about facebook and google and all those folks, they build data center's right were the power is generated. typically near hydro plants and so on. what you find is that more and more applications will move to where the data is. moving those big chunks of data is very difficult. in terms of enterprises in the cloud, there is certainly no reason to suspect that the systems used by cloud vendors like amazon are not capable of geographic replication and redundancy. it is absolutely the case that someone like netflix, for example, could survive an outage of two simultaneous amazon did a centers through geographic redundancy and so on. this stuff exists, and the technology exists within the cloud providers to make sure that once your data gets there,

it is not going away. it is just not a cloud provider solution. most enterprises will have things called disaster recovery, where they will keep all their critical data completely synchronized so that if one coast gets hit by an earthquake or terrorist attack, you have the other coast where you can get your data. it is completely synchronized, always available, on demand. geographically diverse disaster recovery solutions have been in place for some time, and they actually do allow for secure data storage. >> i think that for the individual consumer and home user, this storage in the cloud and backing up your personal computer in the cloud has been burgeoning of late because people want to have the ability to store their files securely, but the reason why, to answer your question, is why do they

continue to still backed up their clout back of solution onto a usb stick or on to their own pc is people still have to get comfortable with the idea of clout security, that the data truly is secure and they're comfortable with letting go. people still not quite comfortable with that concept yet. as people become more and more confident and more and more comfortable with the concept of data being safe, we will still have people, and we will still have instances where people want their data next to them, where they feel comfortable, where they feel safe and confident that their data is secure. >> if i were purchasing services from a cloud vendor, i would mandate that all data at risk is encrypted using keys that i own, that i provide when it is processed for me, and there is no excuse for anybody not doing this. the technology exists. so it comes down to the probability that a bad guy could

go and guess relocation. in amazon web services, you have more than 3.5 billion objects. they have to know which one to go for it here that have to break your access. then they have to break the description on the of jets. the probability of stealing your data and getting away with an attack is vanishingly small. >> i think you address one of my concerns, which was the security of my data out on the cloud, but you raised a new question -- who owns my data? what if i do want it to go away? >> there are very challenging concerns. certainly, governed by state boundaries. for example, numerous canadians do not want their data in american dissenters. under a land the vessels, that can be subject to inspection and seizure. all the regulations relate to national boundaries there as well.

a cloud providers actually end up having to meet numerous diverse regulatory requirements related to where data may resign and how it may be encrypted. there are different purchase centers for different christian center's and countries -- there are different encryption centers for different regions and countries. i think amazon wishes they could make it go away the same way they imagine the sales tax would go away sunday. [laughter] >> but is it clear that i own my data? >> it is clear that you own your data, but it is not clear that somebody with the opprobrious search and seizure warrants cannot just make off with it, too. and, of course, you know, here is the scary one. the fbi says there is an attack coming out of those few racks over there, and they walked out with several companies entire computer set up just because

some guy in one of those was doing a bad thing. that is scary. >> unfortunately, we have time for only one last question. weber has the microphone, please. then maybe it is a mistake, but i have the microphone. i came to this lecture trying to find a definition of what cloud computing is. maybe i understand a little better, but i still do not have its in the simple terminology that i understand. my other question is from my point of view as a user of computing services, i have recently had the experience with a couple of banks going through a total change of their website, which caused me no end of aggravation to try to continue my accessing of my data, and i had the feeling, and i think you kind of touched on this, that

for maybe financial reasons or because you technology people are so influential in the world you convinced these banks they had to do this, it just really made my life miserable for a couple of weeks trying to figure out how to use their new system. i mean, it seems to me that -- you know, i had the impression that technology people are sort of making work for themselves by influencing institutions that they need to change what they have already in place. i still go by the old model -- if it is not broken, do not fix it. so i am opposing these questions to the senate panel. >> those are great observations. i am in my mid-40's by now, and there are programming languages used regularly that just did not

exist five years ago. when you hear these guys talk, it is like gobbledygook to me. you get old with your music. you get old with your skills sets. it is just the way it is. because we are a technology- driven society, and we have completely inverted the traditional way back societies were built when -- where when you were older, what you learned was survival skill, and you were right. that is the problem. the young guys are right, and the old guys take it in the net. cloud computing -- let me try a simple one for you. used to be in the old days that everybody had their own electricity generating plant. people would generate electricity locally for their own production means for their own factory. that got turned into a utility. the economics and study of that is very interesting.

there's a fabulous book called "the big switch" which basically tracks that history. think of what clout is doing to computing is being analogous. instead of having to own and run your own software and hardware and computer systems, these things simply become services that you acquired by some horribly complicated plug. so it becomes viable economically -- the economics are compelling. you can consume by plugging in. you have to plug, yes, it is still the case that you know too much, but it is really that, that turning computation into a utility that can be consumed as opposed to requiring human to surround previous manifestations of the technology.

>> i thank the panel for coming here today. we also thank our audience here for those listening and viewing. now, this meeting of the commonwealth club of california commemorating its 108th year of discussion is adjourned. [applause] >> good afternoon but i am kathy davis, executive director of

bayview hunters point senior services. we run an adult health care center for 26 years. and like all of you out there, we want to continue to run our adult health care centers in san francisco, right? that is why we are here today. we're here to tell the governor to stop the elimination of adult day health care, right? ok. all right, now. we're very, very fortunate in san francisco, because we have an amazing director of our department on aging and adult services, as well as a wonderful neighbor who cares about seniors. i want to introduce to you the

person who has really been working hard on your behalf, who is the director of the department of aging and adult services. she is the director of adult services, and i really want to thank her. when you have an issue of problem and you run a program, you can go to ann hinton, and she will get the job done. she is here to introduce the mayor for you. they have been working on this issue. the have seen with the problem is. even though san francisco did not start the problem, san francisco is going to help resolve the problem. so here is ann hinton. [cheers and applause] >> you know, it is hard to remember, but on the other hand, fairly easy to remember.

the sadness in my heart and the despair i felt in july when i heard that the bill was vetoed by the governor and that come december 1, 55,000 californians would lose an adult day health care. i have been working and have had the opportunity to work with older adults for over four -- 40 years in that time, certainly and the beginning, there were not options for folks other than nursing homes. i remember watching grandparents go into nursing homes because there was nothing else for them. i remember being in a nursing home and listening to an older stoic farmer who cried every day because all he wanted was to go back to the farm because there was nobody there during the day because his family was in the field, so he had to stay at the nursing home. i remember working with two women who became very close friends here in san francisco who had, after 10 years in

nursing home, the well-being to go home, but the have lost their home when the time that they had been there. so there they were. in 40 years, we have seen a lot of other things happen. we have seen the introduction of pace, the social day, social work services and case management. we saw the introduction of home care. most importantly and why we were here today as we saw the introduction of adult day health centers. at that moment, we saw the beginning and the bringing together of what people wanted, but -- what older adults wanted, and the health care folks are realizing that you could actually get good health outcomes of people stayed at home but came to an adult day health centers during the day. but our work really was not done then. we were focusing on keeping people at home, and we suddenly realized, with help from the folks from the disabled world, that there were a lot of folks that institutional care who

really could live at home. we just needed to apply the same services to them as we were directed people who were at home. especially in san francisco, we have spent the last eight years bringing people out of laguna honda hospital, younger adults and older adults alike, and helping them to live in the community and be successful there. [applause] yes, i agree. i agree. [applause] yes, we should rejoice in our accomplishments. so when we began to see the dismantling of services for older adults and younger adults with disabilities a few years ago, it began with the disk drive -- the languages program, and we started seen the attacks on ihss, on workers, and consumers using the program. all of that culminated than in july, with the retelling of the

cafe program and the recognition that, again, 55,000 people around california, 1200 people in san francisco, with loose adult day health come december 1. but, you know, san francisco is a city filled with people that are very, very hopeful. look at the ground today. it is a hopeful crowd, am i right? [cheers and applause] i will tell you that today i have a joyous heart, and i am very grateful to the mayor of san francisco. and i really want you to join me and welcome him for his announcements to you, mayor ed lee. [cheers and applause] >> hello. hello, hello. some weeks ago, when ann and

kathy and annie and others approached our office about this impending doom that the state was imposing on us, we were reminded of what we did in our budget, working closely with the board of supervisors. i want to thank these relationship that the mayor has with the board. i see supervisor avalos is here. thank you, supervisor of a los, for being here. [cheers and applause] i.t. supervisor mar here. thank you. i know supervisor kim is registered and has her staff here, but she does not feel well. but they give farmers than for being here today. i think there may be other supervisors who want to join with you to tell sacramento, stopped making bad decisions. [cheers and applause] you know, this decision that

they made to eliminate adult day care not only eliminates in valuable services to a vulnerable population of our city, but it puts added pressure on working families. parents, sons, and daughters who are trying to get to work and need the center is open for the people that they care about. so they can have an income to afford the things that they need to do to support their senior families. that is why this decision is so negative, so bad. and we have to tell them to make better decisions. will you do that with me? [cheers and applause] well, i know that the board of supervisors and the mayor's office put some special money in reserve in the past budget. we balanced it, but we knew this

bad decision was coming. so we made a reserve, and next week, as your mayor, i will ask the board to release some thatr 1, our adult day care centers can survive and not be eliminated. [cheers and applause] but i am going to ask you, going to ask all of you here today, please work together with us as one city. we need to work together. we need to work together with the board of supervisors. we need to work together with our senators, the state senators, the state assembly people, and the governor's office, because we needed them to change the way they make those decisions. they cannot be hurting the city's where all of our elderly live on very limited income. we cannot stand for that. we have to change the way they

make those decisions. [cheers and applause] that is why, with the support of the board, we put on propositions for the voters this year. i want to remind you, that is why i worked really hard with the board, to make sure we had proposition g, so we could have a little bit of our sales tax come back, so that we can have a more secure public safety and some social services that work. i need all of you to work together with us to make sure that we do even better than just a stop-gap measure could because this will not go away. if we do not stop them from making bad decisions, they will continue to make -- make more decisions for this city and we will not have the resources to deal with that. hopefully you will work with all of us and the board and the mayor together. will you do that? [cheers and applause]

all right, let's stop bad decisions. let's make better ones. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] [crowd chanting] >> ok. now the mayor has to leave. but did you hear what he just said? did you all hear that? how are we grateful that we have the mayor we have in san francisco? [cheers and applause] ok. and we had the network of services that we have in this town. we're very grateful for that. let's give the mayor one more big cheer and thank him. [cheers and applause] for coming up with a solution. he did not just come up with one solution.

we have a present for the mayor. ok. but we have a lot more to thank him for. because he did not just come up with one solution. he came up with something else to keep it going lager. did you hear what that was? what was it? his proposition g. g is good for seniors. remember proposition g, because that is going to bring more money into the city. we have to defend ourselves against these cuts from the state. the mayor give you two good things today that we need to make sure we work on. ok? we also have a very progressive and active board of supervisors who are working with the mayor to save this program, and we have with us supervisor eric mar, who got the podium and the set up for us today.

he is a man of the people, and we appreciate you. >> thank you, everyone. are we an aging-for in the city in san francisco? yes. thank you for standing strong to defend our program. the 11th adult day day care centers in the city, we have to defend it and make sure that on december 1, we have all the programs in place and that we not think about cuts, but that we're strengthening these programs so that everyone can live in dignity as they grow older in the city of san francisco. i wanted that i applaud the senior organizations for standing strong and organizing themselves to make sure that we have better funding streams from the city. not just looking at budget announced that have been satisfied by the mayor and others, but that we have strong money strains so that as the aging population doubles, so that in 20 to 30 years when they become senior boomers, we can show that everybody can aged

with dignity in its san francisco and that we're an aging-friendly city. i am look forward to working with the other supervisors. thank you so much. >> thank you. [applause] so we have some other members on the board of supervisors. we're going to let them come up and address you, because they have some work to do next week. did you hear the mayor say there is some work for them to do? they're going to talk about it. our next supervisor is supervisor john avalos, another man of the people who cares about you. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. how're you all doing? buenos dias. it is very simple. you work for us. you pave the way for us. and now we need to pave the way for you. [cheers and applause]

your contributions to our lives are so great, and we need to recognize that. that we provide a city that supports you a round the clock if you are in retirement or you are aging. [applause] and adult day health care is part of what we need to provide as a city. so i am proud to stand here with my colleague, president david chiu, eric mar, and you're going to have all the other supervisors as well supported adult day health care. i want to thank the mayor for his work on this as well. it is something we had to do together to protect seniors and make sure we have our families behind them as well. thank you very much. [applause] >> all right.

now we have the president of the board of supervisors coming up to talk to you. our very own david chiu. he does a fabulous job, and he is going to talk to you about saving adult day health care. [applause] >> good afternoon, everyone. thank you for representing the beautiful mosaic that is san francisco. i want to tell you that along with my colleagues at the board of supervisors, along with the mayor, san francisco is coming together on this issue. we have to make sure that something that happened that was very special in the 1970's, when california stood up and said we want to look to the future, we respect and value every one in our community, when we created these centers. we wanted to make sure that we were respecting our seniors and what you have done to raise us, what you have done to build our

communities, what you have done it to take care of this generation's that came out behind you. we have to remember that california is not going to forget all of you. [cheers and applause] and i have to say, we like to do things differently in san francisco, but sacramento has to change. and when we come together with one voice, talking with 10 of voices, talking with thousands of voices, governor jerry brown -- can you hear us? can you hear us? we have these incredible adult day health centers in every community in our city, reflecting every part of diverse san francisco. san francisco. and i want to let you know that