picture. [chime] can i go on? this is my property, my rain shelter here. president olague: you have 90 seconds. >> the extension is goin tg to fill this space. the extenstioion will fill [tone] president olague: now or five minutes are up. >> the first time is a learning experience. president olague: speakers in support of the dr request. >> i grew up in that same home

and a lot of the things we're pointing out our cookie cutter from what we have heard. this bill out, the home in question where they want to do the build out is one of three near identical homes. this would record -- as would be something that's out of character and establish an eyesore. it's not compatible, out of scale and out of context. we can get into the emotional thing of how we lived there 53 years but i'm not sure that's a factor. but there is a loss of privacy my sister is going to experience. talk about loss of a view -- it's not protected -- i don't know if you would feel the same way if you lived there and you are used to this sweeping bayview and you will experience a 30% loss of daylight and loss of view. you are in your living room and now people are able to look into

your living room where as for the past half century that was not the case. you mentioned in the build out being consistent with the existing debt. i don't know what your records reflect, but there was a lot of construction going on, nothing to do with the current owners, but the previous owners have a lot of construction going on. we do not remember being noticed, so the desk -- so the deck is in question in terms of its legality and whether it was permitted. again, with the previous discussion out in the sunset, you were non supportive of a low-level bid to block extension which is exactly what does this. why can't they build up? i'm not sure what the height restriction is. i'm sure they are a very nice couple, but chances are they can afford this kind of build out, i

have the wherewithal to buy existing larger home. -- they have the wherewithal to buy existing larger home. i don't think you care about the emotional issues, but six key -- six kids were raised in the ad -- in the existing home. there were additional rooms added downstairs. again, legality is a question but not reflection on the current applicants. thank you. [tone] >> i am the sister of mike and patricia and i was raised in that house. i think what is important to consider with the three identical homes on the block is they are from a different time than the rest of the block. their view homes. the living room is not in the front, it's in the back of the house.

when my sister was showing pictures, that's meant to be a panoramic view of the city. although i know a view is not protected, it does, it is part of what the house is about. the original plan of those houses, which other people have remodeled and respected, the houses are not parallel to the block. they sit at an angle so each house has a view that is unobstructed of the others so that the living room and kitchen and dining room is not at a right ankle, is that this ankle giving you the view of the city without -- at this angle giving you a view of the city without obstruction. all of a sudden, you walked out of the bedroom and there is somebody sitting on a deck on a chair looking right into your window because that angle of the property was not expected -- respected and it changes

everything. what you said about the sunset is what has happened in that neighborhood. people have tended to go vertical. a lot of work has been done where the vertical homes have, don't change the blueprint, but it makes a gorgeous house. i know a lot of houses have elevators in them now to take advantage of the height of the house and prepare for old age. i think a vertical in that neighborhood would be so much better and would not cause this big box being stuck at the back of the house, which is what seems to be happening before there was such a strong commission in san francisco. i hope you could view the three houses of the plan and the one down hill had a very large interior remodel. they completely changed the interior of the house, making it a large family home without changing the blueprint of the

existing outdoor space. i think it would help if they would consider a vertical extension so would not destroy everyone's light and air. [tone] president olague: are there any additional speakers in support of their request? seeing nine, the project sponsor? -- seeing it none, the project sponsor? >> could i have a moment to unload at something on the laptop? >> -- president olague: the clock is ticking. >> i just had a quick presentation i wanted to give. i'm the architect and after me, the owners will speak. we appreciate your meeting with us this afternoon.

first, the planning department has been very supportive of the moves we have made to date and as you can tell from the package you have received, we have gone to great lengths to try to understand 3 dimensionally what is happening with this addition and how it affects the dr request for interviews and the impact on her house. i would like to address a few of the concerns she brought up. then i will go into the ones she wrote with in the request. the elevation was provided with the initial proposal for the project which would be required as it is to have a full review from the planning department. the site plan shows the entire lot, including both adjacent neighbors. the neighbor at 4366, if i could

jump to this now, -- when we started the project, the three months ago, to more additions, and this is the family. this project, when joanna and charles bought the property, they anticipated making a larger family and also asked me to participate in making this addition. looking at the existing site photographs, the left photograph shows the view of the house from the very bottom of the property looking up so you can see there is a dramatic slope. in all of those views of these houses are toward the bay

facing out toward the left. the addition should not impact the open views of the adjacent neighbor. the right photograph indicates the existing fence which is a privacy fence on an existing debt. looking at the right photograph here, this is peeking over the fence and you can see the view screen that has been placed by the neighbor as well and looking down, you can see the built structure of the viewing platform the neighbor has created out there which is a triangular form and even though it is not a closed space, it is a built structure in a mid bloc situation. i want to walk through it did -- want to walk through the design quickly. 25% setback line is very close to where the neighbors of viewing deck is. we have set back approximately seven or 8 feet from that line

and you can see how the extension works here. this is the current house as it exists today with the current back on the second level. as mentioned, the living areas are on the second floor. the ground floor contains a garage with a bedroom and covered deck. with this extension, the upper area, we would be keeping the deck at the same height and below the deck creating an extension out in order to create a master bedroom that is back and they play area ahead of that. the very bottom would be the extension that would go one more level down. essentially a basement level. these are the before and after shots to try to get an idea of how the extension works. this was before, after, before, and after again.

the concern of windows she had raised, we looked at that and but that privacy issues -- this lower left-hand issue shows the potential of actually reducing the window and we did meet with the request your to entertain this concept. [tone] here, you can look at the mid block pattern and see there are built structures that the request for has built themselves but some neighbors that are across the way. again, you can see how the downward slope works. in closing, we think we have done a very sensitive edition and have gone down in order to take advantage of what the current slow of the site is that we hope you approve. president olague: speakers in support of the project sponsor? >> my name is charles lynch.

thank you for having us here today. my wife and i, when we bought the house about a year ago, did not expect to go from a family of three to a family of five so quickly. it was a bit of a surprise. the truth of the matter is this is a question of space. my wife and i are not planning to flip this house. we're planning to be here a long time. i don't know if we will be here for 53 years, but it's not out of the question. as has been said several times, we know that views are not protected. i think all our neighbors would agree in the neighborhood we live in, the views are certainly valuable. while they may not be protected, people appreciate them and we do not want to make a change to our living space to give us the space we so desperately need in a way that is going to impair the views of our neighbors.

we tried to take steps to minimize that. one of the alternatives we did consider was going up. if you look, i'm not sure -- our neighbors and the across the street are going up because our neighbors are higher than we are. that's going to have a direct impairment on their views. if we were to go straight back, that would have an absolute impact on our neighbor to the north. they would have had issues with us going straight back. that was one of the points we discussed with them. so we were thrilled when our architects came up with a plan that not only respected the top biography -- typography. we live on a ridiculously steep hill. our architect came up with a

design that allowed us to basically spill out down the hill which would give -- which would give us the space when needed without impairing the view of the neighbors that while not protected, we knew were valuable. that was something we were interested in trying to maintain with our neighbors. we did meet with patricia and know that she has had some concerns. we also know and, correct me if i'm wrong, but she would not object if we were to stay within our deck, below are deck. [tone] the problem is i think that's unreasonable because it doesn't give us the nearly amount of space we need with two little ones at home who are currently sharing a room with my wife and i. we hope you will consider our plans as currently stated and allow us to move forward. thank you. president olague: thank you.

>> my name is joanne l. lynch and i just wanted to follow up with what my husband -- joanna lynch and wanted to follow up with what my husband said. but everything we have done we have tried to talk to our neighbors about it and do something good for the neighborhood. i think that is evidenced by the letter of support we have received from neighbors with a two or three house radius from our house. across the street, uphill, on clipper street facing us and on the other side of the work questors house. one of the three similar once wrote a letter of support also. everyone around us except for the dr request your bottom was a good design. -- request your thought it was a

good design. we have talked a lot with our neighbor that we thought would be the most effective and and he told me yesterday that patricia had asked him and his wife to come into the hearing to support her and he had no intention to do so. he said you and charlie boy, that would be my husband, gave me your word that yt block my view and i give you my word i will not object to your project and you can go to the public hearing and tell them that. that is what we are doing. we need the additional space. we think this is a really good design. we are happy with the way the architect has done and we hope you approve it. thank you. president olague: any additional speakers in support of the project sponsor? seeing a none, the dr requestor

has two minutes of real-time. >> i just want to know of the fire regulations have been looked at. i know there was a horrendous fire in glen park recently caused by this design where someone build down into a hill and the fire support team could not get there and it was a horrendous fire. i would assume this is is the plan that it has met fire regulations. just to respond to their desire to create more living space for their family, their plans are

adding a master bedroom, going much further out, a master bedroom on the street level that's going to be all the way out to here. the next bedroom on the black -- all five of them are not going to live in that room. there are three children under 5 years old. this other room is a gym. it seems unbelievable this is the plan for their own family because they are not going to all stay in one bedroom. the next bedroom is 75 feet to the front of the house and one floor upstairs is the next bedroom for a child. [tone] president olague: project sponsor, you have two minutes. >> i want to touch on the two

points they just raised. regarding the wind tunnel, we understand any changes in buildings footprint or structure might cause some changes to the wind, but we truly do not believe our very modest addition would cause the grand affect their talking about. on the second point, i appreciate their concern about how we would utilize the space, but we have thought about in the three months we have had the twins. we have in our head switched around how we're going to use the space, but trust us, we will use this space and we need the space. we hope you do approve this today. president olague: the public hearing -- >> it just as a final word, we tried to make every effort possible to design a plan that

would be respectful of our neighbors, about was going to work with the neighborhood and was not going to be an eyesore. quite frankly, i don't think this is going to be an eyesore. something that's going to allow our family to grow and to prosper and at the same time allow our neighbors to appreciate what they have, which is their beautiful, sweeping views. we appreciate the time. [tone] president olague: the public hearing is closed. commissioner sugaya: i am a little perplexed here. you say you are expanding and have a number of children, and yet the bedroom count remains the same. can you explain that, please? >> when we submitted plan, we had the bottommost room as a

gym. that room is designed to be a bedroom. will have space for a closet and will have a closet and what we are currently doing is allowing for what is now the master bedroom to effectively become a bedroom that will be usable as a playroom. our three children will be able to utilize the two bedrooms we are currently using because right now, with two twins at 3 months old, we are not on separate floors. we will eventually be on separate floors i hope. the plan is to allow for what is currently the master bedroom, that will become a playroom and guest room, but we don't plan to have guessed all the time, so it will be that type of space to be a standalone guest room for dead.

week -- for good. >> we are at adding effectively three rooms. the gym itself will have a closet coming down. commissioner sugaya: where are you going to go to the bathroom? >> that's a question of cost. being able to make another bathroom at the very bottom was quite cost prohibitive. because our plan is for the master bathroom to have a door out not only into the master bedroom but into the play room, which you can see in the design, as effectively going to make the master bathroom a community bathroom. commissioner antonini: to answer a couple of concerns, i know there was some concern about

fire concerns and that goes through the permitting process. there will be a fire check when the permitting is done and that will be dealt with. that was a very dangerous situation in diamond heights. there are many houses in these parts of san francisco that have rear plans that go down the sides of hill, so this is not unusual. also the question of the usage which was i think answer by project sponsor, but what we have to approve is what is presented. that's all that is before us. any future addition to the addition we are approving is a separate thing. the plan before us is what we will be voting on and it seems to be well designed.

commissioner moore: i would agree the old building is well designed and holds back in a manner that i do not think creates a situation which is not understanding of the adjacent tissues. i believe how somebody uses their interior space is their own story, particularly when there are two little ones who need to be accommodated for the time being. that's not what we should be discussing anyway. the building is code compliance and i did appreciate the residential design team's analysis and rebuttal. it was on a point and very much echoing the comments i would have made had i been asked to do so. i am in support of the project. i would make a motion we not

take dr, but approve as proposed. >> second. >> the motion on the floor to not take discretionary review and approve the project is currently proposed. [roll-call] the motion passes 621 with commissioner sugaya voting against. we are now on break until 5:00.