in my opinion, it is not as bad as some of the residents are speaking about. i actually entertain a lot in my house. folks come over. literally, the park right on ocean avenue, because you do not have to put money in the meter after a certain time. even during the daytime, it is relatively inexpensive. the other thing is that using the 24-hour fitness -- i live literally of stairs from there -- the noise factor is really minimal. really, i do not hear anything where i live. literally, i am speaking as a resident who lives right on the street. hopefully, might incite will help everyone to sort of get some real-life perspective to what it is like living so close to munich. i hear the muni more than i hear people. -- some real-life perspective to

what it is like living so close to muni. >> i am the executive director of chinese new cumber -- newcomer center. i hope you support the recommendation of the staff. our organization helps small ethnic organizations develop new businesses, business creation, and of creation. i hope this business revitalizes the neighborhood. this is the priority of the district. i am hoping this business supports the initiative. thank you and i hope for your support. president fong: other speakers in support of the project? d.r. requestors, you have a two- minute rebuttal. >> speaking on behalf of the

homes association, i want to clarify a couple of things, and _ the real import of our request to you. -- underscore the real import of our request to you. we are not against cool -- pool. the problem we have is the late night hours proposed for this. that relates to the parking. late at night, people parking in the neighborhoods are going to be disruptive of the neighborhood. as far as the position of the association goes, we are very concerned about the hours, the late hours. on this block, it is quiet. there is no bar. the bar is further east. this is a very quiet block. and we would like to keep it that way so that it is consistent with the immediately surrounding neighborhood. finally, if you do elect to approve this permit application,

we would ask the you impose conditions, but those conditions be related to the hours, that you restrict the hours if you grant the permit application, and that you incorporate into the permit the conditions which the product sponsor has volunteered, relating to the security matters, and also to ensure there is neither distribution or consumption of a call on the premises. thank you. -- alcohol on the premises. thank you. >> i will be brief. again, i want to reiterate that the major concern -- >> can you speak right into the mic? >> a major concern is the hours of operation. i would second his recommendation that if it is approved, that the hours a restricted. the other item that needs

clarification is regarding the parking. it is an issue. on ocean avenue, it may not be. i do not see ocean avenue on a day-to-day basis. in my neighborhood, the number of vehicles that come and go during the course of the day, doing business on ocean avenue, is significant. i think that will be reflective of what is happening in the terraces area as well. as to the other late night businesses, 24-hour fitness and the 7-11, they have their own parking. that is not something this would have. thank you. president fong: product sponsor, you have a two minute rebuttal. >> i have some supporters. we have signatures of merchants and neighbors. there are a number of people here. i just wanted to show you that.

today, i want to talk about why i want to start a business. i moved to the united states 14 years ago, when i was a kid. i was a teenager, and around 14. i am around 30 years old now. i had several jobs in the united states. most of them were low-paying and hard-working. that is how i made a living. after several years of hard working, my family finally saved up enough money to buy a house. it is a house that was built in 1941. it is what i worked so hard for. we want to start a family. at 25, i realized i was starting to get old, and my parents were getting old. i want to start a business

early, if possible. when you are 30 and are married, you probably do not have the energy to act and start it. i started a business in 2009 with money and borrowed from my parents, and it was successful. i started to realize that business is what i want to do for my future. me along with my partner -- we share the same goal in life. we know how important families are. we all have career backgrounds and are serious about doing successful business, even though we are taking a great risk in this economy. this is not just a business for us. it is a future for us. we have a lot of support to start the business legally. we spent a lot of time doing research and communicating with the neighbors. that has added to our project.

thank you. >> your time is up. president fong: thank you very much. >> thank you for your time. commissioner antonini: i think in the music man, the opposition was to pool not, to billiards. i guess they made a distinction. anyway. i live not far from here. i am very familiar with the area. i will agree that the parking on fairfield is problematic. let us allow the 27-and 11 -- the 7-eleven what this fall,-- lot is full, it is hard to get out of there. it gets a little congested there. i know there was mention of 11 vacancies on ocean avenue.

i am sure there are. regrettably, there was just an ocean avenue place that was very promising for a year and a half, and unfortunately they closed. that was one of the best in establishments on the street. we need more neighborhood- service establishments there during the day that would cater to foot traffic. i think they have a good idea with the billiard hall. i just think perhaps it might be better served further down the street, because you have all the residents who are going to be moving into the new structures that are being built down by the library, and of course you are closer to bart and other areas where people could jump right off and play billiards. it would be less reliant on having to take cars. i know there is the k, but it stops running earlier than 12:30. i think it stops a little

earlier than that. anyway, that would be my feeling. i certainly would support the project of a different location. as has been pointed out, ocean avenue changes a lot. it becomes a lot more residential as you get past fairfield. the 7-eleven was probably poorly positioned when it was built years ago. it is smack dab in the middle of an almost exclusively residential area. it would have been better to have been a couple blocks closer to more commercial activity. anyway, it seems odd that you would have a billiard hall without being able to serve a call. i think this will probably come back to us in the future with another conditional use to allow for a call service. and i understand that. if you are playing pool or billiards, you probably want to have a beer. it just makes sense. i would generally be in favor of

a different location, although i really liked the idea they have. but i think it is a little too far. it is almost at the very end of the commercial strip. but i will see what the other commissioners have to say. comissiomer sugaya: if there are conditions of security cameras and a call -- and alcohol, i have a question. how early do you think you can handle the closing hour? i do not think -- i am not speaking for the other commissioners -- but i cannot support 2:00. if we back off from that our-- hour, can you live with 11:00? >> actually, no. we provide security and cameras and are not selling alcohol. in order to make money, we would

need to operate to the early morning. we would just make money in those hours. it is too difficult for us. >> i feel it is an evening activity. it is kind of like closing a dance hall at 11:00. commissioner borden: it is interesting, because you're talking about a pool place, and the way it has been characterized, i would think someone was opening a strip club. it was very interesting to me. they are talking about a place where people can play pool. assumption about people who play pool is very poor by members of this audience, it seems. there seems to be a lot of

judgment about the kinds of people that would choose to patronize a pool establishment. i understand your concerns with a medical marijuana dispensary. that is different than this project sponsor and project. i remember being a young person under 21. i remember in the teenage years, there are not a lot of places you can go. you can go to the mall. you do not have money to spend. you want to be out with your friends. what you do? you look for a restaurant to hang out in all my. it is a cool place. it is a central family place, because there are not a lot of places for people to go who are under 21. we want kids in the city. we need places for them to go. on a friday night, teenagers would love to go to an establishment like this. i think it is right. the gentleman who plays pool described the place he goes to

as family-oriented. if the place is not serving alcohol, they would not have to restrict the people that went into that place. not to mention that people admitted in the audience that there are a lot of children in that neighborhood. it seems there would be a need for places for young people, positive places for young people to hang out after dark. when i was growing up, people hung out in fields and got drunk because there was no place to go. i do not think you want to see kids drinking. i was lucky that i did not choose to drink, but a lot of kids did, cause there was nothing to do. they would wait for parents to go out of town and organize a party. let us be real. that is what happens when kids do not have constructive things to do with their time. i think this sounds like a great use. i do not think we should assume this operator has ill will. everything that represented to us sounds like they want to run a good establishment. they will have cameras and

security. when you go down to it, there are the two issues -- parking, which we are not going to deal with. that is not anything we could deal with. that is off the table. we are not the parking commission or the planning -- which are the planning commission. -- we are not the parking commission. we are the planning commission. restricting the hours -- it does not sound like there is a lot going on late at night, but i would like to figure out the happy medium. we recognize the project sponsor is not serving alcohol, which is a huge revenue generator, and are choosing to make their revenue of the pool table. i do not know if midnight would work for you all. that would at least meet the time in which muni -- at least the train stops running sometime after midnight. maybe that would be a good compromise. maybe we could do like we have done on some other projects,

where we put a condition in that it comes back to us after a year, and if there are no problems you can go to a later time. i think that could be a fair approach to figure out how we maneuver that, so we can recognize you for doing the right thing and at the same time, allow you that flexibility, assuming you are going to operate in that way. >> thank you for your consideration of the matter. in fairness to my clients, operating a business that is not generating a lot of revenues most of the day -- kids, like you said, need a healthy environment to hang out. even my kids, and juniors in high school, do not go to bed until 11:00 or 12:00 on school days, and that is pretty early for them. a place that is open letter would allow them to her basic environment to hang out. -- that is open later would

allow them to have a basic environment to hang out. commissioner borden: i do not disagree with you. we are trying to strike a balance. >> my proposal is 1:00 a.m. commissioner borden: unfortunately, that is not really the middle. commissioner antonini: we started at 11:00. commissioner borden: the middle would be midnight. the question is whether or not we can do something we have done for other establishments in the past. we have said we want a report at six months or a year, six months in your case. if there are no complaints and note issues, we would allow you to go to a later time. that would probably be the best we can do, because we really want to respect the community concerned and the nature of how busy that corridor is at this time. it would also allow you to build up the trust and respect of the

community so that you could have support of opening up later. the thing is, you do not want to go into a neighborhood where people are absolutely opposed to you. they will not trust your establishment and you will not do well. we are trying to make it successful for you. we understand it is not easy. you would do tenant improvements and build up the space. we understand that. at the same time, we have to respect of the neighborhood feels about the project and try to figure out a way to make it workable for the entire community, respecting how this corridor functions as it is today, and how we invite and allow your new business to operate without changing the tenor of the community. i would make a motion that we would approve with restricted hours to midnight, with a report back in six months. if there are no issues with the neighborhood, it could go to 2:00 a.m.. commissioner antonini: second.

president fong: i would like to make a comment in support of the motion. i think it speaks volumes fed -- that you removed alcohol from the premises. that is the major money-making up of this type of business. this is billiards, not pool. so the vision of a table at the back of a bar is not the case. when you have multiple tables, this becomes a sporting activity, rather than something to do while you're drinking. looking at the volume -- there are 10 tables. i guess you are probably going to start with 6 and build up to it. if you put even two people at that table, that is not many people you are talking about. i do not think there will be gobs of folks, especially without food and alcohol. i am curious how we got a can of this club -- can this club --

cannabis club next to a day care. there is supposed to be a 1,000 foot perimeter. i will make a broad comment. if we want to revitalize parts of san francisco and some of us do not like big-to in corporate stores, we have to make it somewhat easier for young entrepreneurs to get going. i do not know how many businesses started at 25 become successful or not, but san francisco needs to look at that. we have talked the talk. we have to walk the walk and get behind that. i support the motion. commissioner antonini: thank you. i am not going to support. what i read from the neighborhood was not an objection to billiards, but the

intensity of use in this location. that is my objection. a couple of blocks further down ocean, it would be a great idea. it is just you are almost entirely residential. i agree i do not know why the cannabis club was ever permitted. you have the hookah sales across the street. maybe there are only open during the day, but who knows. but i think it is an allocation problem. that is my only objection to it. the rest of the use seems fine. i hope that are able to succeed. but i think this location is not quite right. commissioner moore: i learned a lot, listening to you. it was quite informational for me. i am not a billiard player. i watch it and find it amusing, but do not know much about it, except as a competitive sport on television. i find that interesting.

in that sense, i would strongly support the creation of innovative small business, as i consider this to be because of the lack of a call. it fills a large space which has the right dimensions. we are not here to reinvent the location as part of what we do. i would support it, with the condition as you said, to 12:00 as a trial. i would also suggest that the operator designates a community liaison who is available by cellphone to all the neighbors who are having a problem. i have said it before. i have seen on ocean avenue and other applications in front of us. i have been sitting here for five years. there was always a disconnect between adjoining neighbors in a

very residential neighborhood and what happened in the commercial corridor. i would make it almost a challenge or suggestion to you to find a way to start to contract with your neighbors in a manner that you are very positively supported each other. -- supporting each other. perhaps you have a community competition under tables. something like that. there is a positive way of doing it. the situation in front of us is not boding well for you to succeed. when you have people in the neighborhoods walking by and calling you by your first name as they see you, that is the best. you will not be just some anonymous people coming and parking a car in front of somebody's driveway, which is good to be a habit. it is the way you interact every day. -- which is going to be

aggravating. it is the way you interact every day. start a dialogue and interaction. i am supportive, with the caveat that there is a community liaison, amanda your motion. commissioner borden: i accept that. commissioner moore: including the 12:00 and what other interactions between schools need to be done. comissiomer sugaya: just to follow up on that, we are including security and cameras and no alcohol. is that correct? do planning staff -- the liaison commissioner commissioner moore:oore mentioned -- the liaison commissioner moore mentioned is standard under conditional use. are there others that could be applied here? >> just standard procedures like cleaning the sidewalks, that type of thing.

comissiomer sugaya: could we include that? i know it is not a cu. >> this is a d.r. you are approving the project with the specific attachments. comissiomer sugaya: if you could include a couple of the good neighborly things. commissioner borden: if we could give him a copy of the good neighbor policy. comissiomer sugaya: following up, we have had several other -- one that comes to mind -- this is a different use. it was a request for formula retail on fillmore street. one of the things ever thinking of was to participate directly. -- they were thinking of was to participate directly with the merchants group. maybe sponsor some things with them.

you might think of, i don't know, having some kind of a billiard education instruction program, especially for the neighborhood, and see if neighborhood kids might want to come to your place and learn how to play. i would like to learn how to play. even though i can play, i am not quite in this gentleman's category, i know. i have always wanted to learn how to play better, right? i do not know how to do the neat stuff. if you could sponsor things like that, working directly with the neighborhood groups here today, and others in the area, that would probably greatly enhance your situation. i would just make that suggestion. also, you could have your own hustler there. and then you could get people to come and you could take their money and make money.

[laughter] commissioner moore: i want to suggest something for how you show your face in the neighborhood. this is a very deep room. the drinks, serving non-and alcoholic beverages, 6 50 feet deep into this room, -- 6 50 feet deep into this room, with only windows -- sits 50 feet deep into this room. there are no windows there. is it possible to have a table or something which shows what kinds of drinks you are consuming, or something more people friendly, where people can identify what is going on in this space closer to the front door? you see on the plan we have a glass surface onto ocean avenue. we have a corner with the entrance, and another small

piece of viewing glass office side of the building. -- off the side of the building. anything symbolic to make it more visible to the front door. i am not saying redesign the room. obviously, the kitchen sink is in the back. but i would like to see something more related to what is being consumed in this establishment. >> i do not know if that question is directed at me. it is conceivable their designer could come up with an interior configuration that could accommodate some drinking facilities near the front. >> the beverage is an excess reuse to the primary use, and it is allowed to take 1/3 of the

total floor area. the have additional room to expand that beverage aspect with dispensers in areas more visible through the windows. if that is something you feel would definitely make the space better. commissioner moore: i just want to avoid that this place looks like a bar. i want it to look like a people place, where people are seen in terms of the sports to pursue, with no feeling that if you go 50 feet into the room there is something else happening. it is more psychology than anything else. i want to emphasize that people, not alcohol, until this has become established within the neighborhood. >> respectfully, i think the primary purpose of this is for billiards. if you do not want it to look like a bar, you should not move the bar up front.

i leave it up to the business owner to decide what is quick to attract the best clientele for him. commissioner moore: then just leave it that way, that we want to bring something more people oriented. that is all i am asking. commissioner borden: i want to restate my motion. i move to take the are =-- d.r. and approve with the midnight closing hours, 61 to report back before they go to 2:00 a.m., asking for good neighborhood policies consistent with other entertainment uses, and to consider how they might activate the front so that people feel invited to go inside. we are not going to specify how you do that. does that sound good? and establish a community liaison with a phone number available to the public, so people can reach out when the people can reach out when the have issues.