compliant bathroom you as a business owner should make an effort to make your restaurant or business compliant. there is a conflict between that and the state standard. >> is the new restaurant meaning it's a new owner or m n meaning -- what is a new restaurant? >> the state code and ada doesn't care who owns it. the state code certainly doesn't. if there is an existing restaurant and it's cold and you are not doing work which is always never the case. assume being you don't dpo work there is nothing triggered. if you do finishing or carpet that is a nonstructural repair and maintenance that does not trigger disabled access. that's very rare. new owner purchases a facility or restaurant they always want to do something.

>> i think the other area of ada that a restaurateur needs to be aware of is any citizen in the country can sue a business for not being accessible whether or not they have taken out a building permit. there are attorneys in the country that do this for a living. ethical standard if you have done the things red lye available. run in the bathroom stall and put in 2 grab embarrass so someone in a wheel chair can use a toilet they will probably leave you alone. if you have done nothing and an act vift walks if in you may be sued in order to bring your facility up to code. it's more expensive to do the work and fight the litigation than it is to settle. it's a shake down, if you would. it's important that restaurateurs do what they can

to reasonably accommodate everyone. if you make the effort you will probably be fine. if you make no effort that would be a concern for your business long-term. >> even if's not triggered as a legal requirement, what is readily achievable, do it. it's not that expensive. >> and the up side is you are accomodating your customer. >> that's right. >> i want to talk about mezzanines come up all the time. there is a restaurant in san francisco called mezzanine, have to go there. mezzanines come up all the time. a mezzanine in an existing restaurant does not need to be made disabled accessible if the area served is of 25 percent or less of the same area provided in the main area of the

restaurant. the area in the mezzanine is not more than 25 percent of the service area of the restaurant if that's the service area. and mezzanines are limited to a third of the room to which they are opening. mezzanines are interesting they are areas within a space for which you don't pay for space rent, is that your understanding? >> i would agree. >> some restaurants i see rent a space and put in a mezzanine they have 250 square feet of usable in some way which is a real benefit in many cases. and they have certain exemptions from disabled access but you have to provide the same searchses on the mezzanine as on the floor. >> the code says in an existing restaurant.

a mezzanine that is no more than 25 percent may -- and that can be interpreted loosely. you get the permit for the restaurant and come and get the mezzanine permit and it's an existing restaurant. other requirements and thresholds, elevators are extremely expensive people who build restaurants with elevators are doing major projects. heavens if you get involved in an elevator and it's another 100 thousand dollars. other disabled access, where there are 2 exceptions based on the size of the building. they say this is unreasonable to require an elevator and you are exempted. the disabled access is expensive

upgrade requirement. the green building stuff we will see a lot of green building regulations in the next 10 years and start affecting restaurants as well as every build negligent stay. have to do with lighting and envelope efficiency. it will tighten up the rooup rules more. it's not just the state and local legal the bay area air quality management district passed a law with restaurants where you have a broiler of more than 10, >> 10 feet. >> you have to have a special way to burn off the grease and vent. very expensive. there are regulations coming from every direction and mostly ending up in the building code. whether they are social issues or health and safety issues

they'll be in the building code. yes , sir. >> on the exiting, you have 2 fire exits do both have to be disabled access or can you have one? >> the code just changed. it used to say an accessible entry and now you need accessible exits as well. for new accessible for remodels red you with use the second exit. >> the lift, ironically we got a call from a client who wants to install an out door lift to get from the garage and the platform at the main level of the house. i was wondering whether wise is that allowed in san francisco. i see by the brochure of the lift manufacture they do outside lifts. i was concerned about pushing electrical butt ons on it.

>> i see out door lifts in the city and they need more service but are listed and approved. >> if you want information about golden gate association can they give a call. >> 781-5348 extension one. website is ggra. org. there is hundreds of pages of data on the website. >> like to thank kevin lesly from golden gate restaurant association. thank you very much. [applause]. thank you for coming. we will see you next time. >> whr

died, he was working on one of the biggest shows of his career, matter and spirit. it is a retrospective look at the many faces and faces of the life of an innovative artist from the california clay movement. stephen de staebler's developed in an area dominated by abstract expression. even his peers saw his form. >> he was able to find a middle ground in which he balanced the ideas of human figuration and

representation with abstraction and found it even more meaningful to negotiate that duality. >> another challenge was to create art from a meeting that was typically viewed as kraft material. his transforming moment was an accident in the studio. an oversized vertical sculpture began to collapse under its own weight and spread onto the floor. he sought a new tradition before him, landscape sculpture. >> you feel this extended human form underneath the surface of the earth struggling to emerge. eventually, it does. it articulates his idea that the earth is like flesh, and the archaeology and geology in the earth are like the bones, the structure of the earth. this tied in with his idea of mother earth, with the sense that we are all tied to nature and the earth.

>> a half dozen bay area museums and private collectors loan the massive sculptures to the museum for its matter and spirit retrospective. but the most unusual contributions came from stephen himself. a wall of autobiographical masks and hence from the early decades of his private study. >> he had one of the most beautiful studios i have ever been in. when you walk in, your first impression is of these monumental figures that you see in the exhibition, but if you went into the back corner of his studio, there was a series of shells with these diminutive figures. he told me, these are the heart of my studio. these little, and held intimate study is that he referred to as his sketchbook. a painter might make drawings. stephen de staebler made miniature sculptures. >> during the 1970's, he was inspired by the monuments of

egypt. he assembled a large rocks of clay into figures that resembled the ancient kings and queens. he credited a weathered appearance by rubbing glazes' into the clay while still wet. the misfires from his killed were brought in his backyard in his berkeley home. he called it his boneyard. in the last year of his life, he dug up the artifacts from his own history, and the bones were rearranged, in the were slimmer figures with wings. >> even if you knew nothing about his life or career, you sensed there was an artist dealing with this fundamental issue of life and death, the cake, netting back together, and you feel there is an attempt to deal with mortality and immortality. there is a seeking of spiritual meaning in an existential stage. >> during his 50-year career, stephen de staebler worked to form and out of the clay of the

ground and give it a breath of life. matter and spirit gathers the many expressions of his meditations. and gives the viewer and insight into the artist's life. learn more about the retrospective on line at >> i am the chair of the club of science and technology member- led forum. i'm your chair for today. we also welcome our listening and viewing audience, and we invite everyone to visit us online. now, it is my pleasure to introduce our distinguished moderator who helped us all

together today's panel. he is a technology veteran with operating in investing experience in technology businesses and the ceo of a premier north american publication with data center facilities, virtual private clouds, managed hosted platforms in san francisco, los angeles, and a nationwide high- performance backbone. it is also the managing partner of excellent capital, a private equity firm investing in growth stage companies. previously, was the co-founder of centera, the leading provider

of wireless base stations. prior to that, he worked at national semiconductor, where he led the development and commercialization of internet networking products. he has been -- he has a degree in management from stanford, an ms from the university of central florida, and a degree in electrical engineering from the indian institute technology, bombay. he has authored numerous publications and has over 50 u.s. patents. >> thank you for organizing this panel discussion, and thank you, everybody, for graciously being here today. it is my great honor to introduce an incredibly distinguished panel of industrial luminaries.

let me start with timothy, simon, and jeanette. tim is a professor at the stanford business school where he teaches a very popular class on this service via in fact, i have taken your class, and you bring in some incredible speakers and make it very entertaining. jim also has a distinguished career in the private sector. he was the president of oracle's on demand service, which by some records was the first online on demand service. cloud computing has a lot of fathers, but tim is often called the grandfather of cloud computing because of that endeavor. but tim is also an investor in a cloud computing companies, and author of some very exciting cloud computing books. thank you for being here. next, we have simon crosby. he is an entrepreneur, who has just launched his latest

company, and he might tell us a little bit about it. before that, almost just about a month ago, he was the cto of citrix systems. he got there by selling his last company to them. that company has developed some of the key virtualization technologies, which enable the cloud. he made a big contribution. thank you for that. last but definitely not least, we have jeanette tomlinson, the cto of our very own, dear city of santa francisco -- gina, and sen. she has had a very daunting task of taking the legacy infrastructure of the city and moving that to a professional data center.

but also, setting up a virtual private cloud and making a foray into the public cloud. she offers a unique perspective as a large government user on cloud computing. she was also the cio of the san francisco municipal transport station at 40, and she was also managing clorox's data centers previously. thank you for being here. with so much brainpower and prospective in this room, i will actually ask each of our panelists to take four or five minutes and give us a landscape of where you think of computing is today and where you see it going. am standing here with these microphones makes you feel like what rupert murdoch must have felt like this morning. i have no direct knowledge of the cloud. [laughter] let me make a small correction since my academic colleagues --

you're so sensitive to this. i am lecturer at stanford university, not a professor. that is another level of this conversation teary let me extend the conversation a little bit. one of the things that it was after i left or go, i taught for many years at stanford and talk, as i told the kids, real stuff. i started a class on cloud computing. three years ago, i started a class at the university in beijing as well on this subject because i feel it is really important. we are in my opinion in the second year of a 20-year cycle that is no different than the client server cycle that happened last time around, and i think education is an important component of this. so i'm going to take my four or five minutes to educate you guys a little bit on what is this thing we call cloud computing. i'm going to try uses much plain english as i can, leave all the technical buzzwords aside, and try to eliminate -- illuminate

for you what is happening. fundamentally, is an economic thing that is happening, and that is what has always driven technologies economics. i will get to that in a minute. i do a lot of public speaking. i was counting today because i had to do something this morning. over the past six months, i have talked to 5000 people about cloud computing. what i've tried to do with them and what i've tried to do with you is tried to explain cloud computing in a way you could explain to your facebook friends. [laughter] let me start with we all use cloud computing. we all use consumer application clout services. twitter, facebook, ebay, google, amazon, etc., you are using consumer application clout services. just so we realize how far we have transition, i was with a stanford did about two months ago, and i'm giving her the lecture on what is cloud computing, and i start that way. i say once upon a time, consumer applications used to get installed on your pc and update

and all that, as she looks at me and said, "i've heard of this thing. isn't it called a floppy disk?" [laughter] what many of you guys probably do not know is on the business application front, this has similarly happen in a very different way. nearly every business application -- when i talk about business applications, and talking about financial customer relationships systems, purchasing, hr, web analytics, all the software business is used to automate their businesses. what you may not know is in the past 10 years, every business application software company which has gone public has been delivered as a cloud service. nobody does it in the new world the old way anymore. is all delivered as a cloud service. this ranges from -- many of you are in san francisco. you know who salesforce is. they have been a huge leader in this. even in the whole bay area.

you have netsuite. as i said, nearly everyone. i will give you one example, which you all are probably familiar with, which you will think is an odd example, which is opentable. i'm guessing because san francisco is ground zero, right? on the one hand, you see an open table as a consumer application cloud service, right? you go on, reserve restaurant space, right? it is free. the other side is a business application. they are selling to restaurants. software to help them increase the number of people. that has happened really within the past 10 years. as i said, every application. increasingly, what has happened is highly specialized

applications. i will give you one example of that. dealer track. they actually do loan origination software for automotive loans. today, basically 80% of all the loans in the united states are processed through their software. we will see much more of this. we want to talk about not as public companies, tons of this. all of these guys uses the original cloud service. a lot of people have asked me why we call it a cloud. what does this come from? it is pretty simple. in the old days of client-server computing -- some of us were around them -- we would draw a picture of a pc, a picture of a unix server, and then a picture of a little clout in between. mostly because none of us understood how networks work. for the old folks in the room, you may remember certain words. this is all communication

technology developed for corporations to build their own networks. that sounds like crazy talk today, right? nobody does that anymore. everybody is using ip, mpls- based networks. that is the network cloud. the network guys realize that in order to build a network service, they had to put these things called switches and routers in a room that had high quality power, guard dogs out front, and not located on a fault line, right? since the advent of data centers. many companies enter into the market. it is not a trivial market to enter. the cost of building these things, by the way, is $1,000 per square foot, which is expensive even by california standards. cost of power dominates this. this has been an interesting space for a variety of reasons, and i will leave it there, but datacenter clouds services is the other component being

delivered, right? finally, i will introduce you to last things. first is something that have been very innovative about five years ago when jeff bezos said he would deliver computers and storage as a cloud service. everybody thought that he was crazy. like why the hell are you doing this? oh, can i say that? why are you doing this, right? they have not released public numbers, but their computers and storage class of service at this point in time is right on -- widely believed to be added billion dollars run rate in five years, which is meteoric growth in this business, which is what basically everybody and their brother has entered into this marketplace. from the little guys, people you have probably never heard of all the way to the big boys in the room like microsoft, etc. we have not seen the end of this

story. by the way, for applications, they are very unique to some specific need. when you talk about computers and storage, everyone of us uses it. compute and storage clouds services. the last two things that are happening -- and this is very new right now -- is software development clouds services. for those of you in the room who aspire to or will have built software, building software in a world where the amount of time from the time i come up with the idea to the time is running in production is measured in days or weeks and not years, right? the whole development infrastructure completely different, right? and how i go about doing that. this is a very nascent space at this stage. force.com has been doing stuff here. lots and lots of stuff happening here. by the way, this is going to ignite the whole thing. that is what happened last time.

the guy who ignited client server was a developer peter last thing -- operations management. you may never have managed -- she can say this. you manage applications, you have to manage the security, availability, performance, changes, problems in that software that you bought. you can choose to do that with manual labor, which is painful and very expensive, or you can start to use software to help you do that. that has been going on for years in operations management software. what is new happening now is all the software is being delivered as a cloud service. i could give you a very simple example. once upon a time, if you wanted to make sure you have no spam on your side, you've got spam filtering software, installed it on your pc, managed it here today, nobody does that. this space is enormous, and it is just -- it has just started

up. across the board -- i will end by saying we -- as i said, we are in year two of a 20-year cycle. it is no different than what we saw with client-server. in fact, for the old people in the room, and i am one of them, i will tell you i have heard all the same things we say during that era. people would say you are never going to want to run on unix. it is not scalable. it is not reliable. you'd never want to what -- run on oracle. it is not secure, reliable. for the technical people in the room, was unix a technologically better system? was oracle better than db2 technologically? the answer i will tell you is no. what they were were economically better. the massive difference in the economics of this, which has driven every stage of computing here, and that is what is going to drive this forward.

i will end by letting you -- if there's one thing i want you to walk away with, i am going to tell you a little story, and i'm going to pass it back. as i said, i teach a class in beijing, and the amazon boys are very nice to me. they gave me $3,000 worth of computers and storage, so i showed up in class and said, "you get $3,000 of computer and storage." turns out that buys you about 2 1/2 years of a server, you can pick northern california, virginia, ireland, right? most of the kids in the room are looking at me saying that it is kind of boring. they can get a server in beijing. what difference does it make year or $3,000 buys 10,000 computers for 30 minutes. nobody has ever been given 10,000 computers for 30 minutes for $3,000. it is in the question that they

looked at me at that stage and went, "what would i do with that?" that is the seat of the next step. there are lots of examples already happening around us, but this is the magic. as soon as the smart kids out there start figuring out what you do, we ignite this thing with a rocket ship. this has nothing to do with total cost of ownership or any of that. it has to do with being able to do things we economically could never do before. i will conclude i see the floor. >> thank you, tim. simon. >> well, now you know all about how computing. [laughter] let me give you a slightly different angle. i think of the cloud as being roughly categorized into two worlds. there is the clout as envisaged and manifested within the enterprise, which includes the city of santa francisco. large organizations of people large organizations of people who have i.t. needs.