the city. one of the key areas we spend time on is helping them find space. i cannot impress upon you enough the importance that we start seeing some new pdr construction here in this city, particularly the size of space that we had the most trouble finding in the city. to 2500 square feet. i am thrilled to see this burst project move forward and i am hoping -- first project moving forward and i am hoping we increase the capacity we have to accommodate the growing sector. i am in support. commissioner wu: any further public comment? >> hi, i am mark brown and i work at access cafe.

i will be losing my job. it is such a really nice building. this thing brings character to the street and with cars becoming less usable in the city and mass transit a little more difficult, having housing and commercial in the same space is a tremendous thing and i have looked at pictures and seen the pictures you have. he is such a great guy, we are behind it 100%. he is a good guy and it is a good-looking project. thank you. commissioner wu: thank you. any further public comment? if not, public comment is closed. commissioner miguel: i appreciate even though it was a little late in the game the meeting with the dog patch and the boosters association. i talked with both of them

regarding the project. they are in support of it. they do as has been inferred by the presentation -- hope you would work closely as far as the pavement to park. it is hard to make commitments on a public space woman has not been rounded out as far as final design -- when it has not been rounded out as far as final design. i trust you will do right by it. this is an extension of what is happening on 16th street with kaiser set to go as well as extensive housing in back of it. i am pleased to have heard from max from access cafe. also -- although much more recent in the neighborhood is they have become in their short time a bit of an institution in

the neighborhood as well. i hope they come back and serve the neighborhood. as far as the architecture, i am for the project. it is something that needs to be done on those lots and i know it has been said so before. when you started on this or even before. my only question on the architecture, the buildings are a bit of a mirror image to an extent. they did present -- they have been presented to us. i would be much more pleased if there was a greater differentiation between them, the pdr section to me could take a bit more of an industrial look to it. and i do not know, i would not want to do anything here now but perhaps to work with the department of little more on

that. i would hate to see between them get -- daggett and the rest of that area going up, when you percent -- proceed basically from mission to mission bay along 16th, that you just look at the same, same come all the way down or barely a differentiation of architecture. i just hope you can work with the department and take that into consideration. commissioner wu: thank you. commissioner moore: i think it is a very interesting project in the context of daggett place. there are few questions i would add. on the comments about the

tightening of the skin, i would agree with that. and with what commissioner miguel said about the pdr portion of the building. i am happy to see it. it is not really done very often. it sets a new trend and we understand the transformation of the eastern neighborhoods. that is what we kind of touched on but we did not understand what use or buildings would best addressed that. i was talking about buildings. the director smiled, he remembers the moment in our battles about what to do about eastern neighborhood and i am glad to hear about access cafe. those kinds of things are important to us. they resonate with what our concerns are. i appreciate the sensitivity toward butcher boosters. they wrote of an extensive list

of long demands they had somewhere. i hear some of them addressed. i think that is something which happens between -- behind the scenes and i think it is part of a healthy, ongoing dialogue. i would have one observation and i apologize, you might not be able to do anything about it. you have an unfortunately tall sign in your neighborhood. if you could find a way to perhaps move that over a little bit, filling in the last design would become awkward. i just have to say that. would you explain at the mic, please? >> i do not know this for faq but considering how much rental

income assigned generation -- the sign generates, i do not think anyone will move the sign. commissioner moore: i would be happy to leave it there. i hope there are some transformation always in the future. >> that be golf -- belongs to the owner of wolf's and he retired a few years ago so he could go play golf. commissioner moore: we will keep it for future discussion. commissioner wu: thank you. commissioner borden. commissioner borden: it is exciting to see this project move forward. it is innovative. to see this together, it is well noted in the case reports are not necessarily in public that this is a contaminated site that will be cleaned up or abbreviated which is an exciting outcome for san francisco. i am glad the project sponsor clarified it was a green

building. that is something that has come up among perturb boosters. i think it is a great project. i am happy to support it. commissioner antonini: i also feel this is a very good project and what we were looking for when eastern neighborhoods was approved and is great seeing it come to fruition. as far as design, i like it generally. i think it is well done. i do know that it appears the finishes are complete -- more complete on the pdr section. i am glad -- fine with having both sections look the same. we should remember that just because it is an industrial use does not mean it cannot have style. the auto repair garages of the 1920's and 1930's had a nice finishes and a brother of webre and cornices -- whether the

laverock cornices. just because it is industrial does not mean it has to be stark. other than that, i think is great. >> i wanted to thank everyone for their patience with this project. by san francisco standards, this has been a long time coming because of the complexities of getting caught up in the eastern neighborhoods plan and issues about the site, issues about resources. there has been a lot of discussion and time spent on in the great scheme of things a relatively modest project. commissioner antonini: move to approve. >> second. commissioner sugaya: yes. move to approve with conditions. where does that leave the pavement to parks issue? is a part of the condition or is it not part of the condition --

is it part of the condition or is it not part of the condition? quex as the up -- >> as the updated motion was read, there are -- streetscape improvements. the sponsor has requested that be a voluntary option to them, to provide to offer at their discretion and alternatives streetscape improvements. the issue is that we're on the same page about wanting the plaza to been made permanent and done in a very good way that benefits the city and the project. they are concerned and i can speak to a further about there are complications with the site and the timing and they do not want to get caught in a situation without flexibility. their proposal was to have the language say that at a minimum,

the better street plan requirements have to be provided. if it is possible and they are willing, they can provide alternative improvements, improvements to the streetscape, to the plaza in exchange. that is the decision of the planning commission has to make. -- the decision the planning commission has to make. commissioner moore: without understanding the technical details, it is difficult to say. they intend to pursue the project -- if it is doable. if there are technical issues regarding the implementation of this streetscape plan, i think we would be shooting ourselves in the foot recurring at a time when it cannot be done for other reasons. streetscape complete our -- streetscape improvements are larger infrastructure idea. i technically would not know how to ask mr. -- perhaps to ask

mr. teague to give an explanation. >> could you clarify what your asking for? -- you are asking for? >there is two time lines to consider. one is the approval time line and the other is the construction time line. whatever streetscape improvements that are going to be approved would need to be done as part of the bidding permit approval. there is potentially to separate time lines. with the department actively working on funding and design for the park to become -- the plaza to become permanent regardless of this development, there are synergies and you can work out where everyone can do more with less and we're happy

to do that. from a construction standpoint and they can speak to this, the sponsor more specifically, obviously, that would be done at the very end of construction, the construction phase. i do not think we have a big problem with the department with the voluntary option. this is something that was developed fairly late in the game with consultation with the city attorney on what options were available to us. >> could you speak to that as that design architect? >> yes, commissioner. in order to deliver supplies to the site, we're going to have to access it from eighth street, we will have to do some removal of a portion of the existing plaza. we will have on the sidewalks and we will work with the city's sidewalks streetscape plan. i think i cannot speak about the

money issue or how much or what we do not know exactly what will happen to the park, but i can say that it is wonderful to have a nice plaza at the front door to our building. i think my client is in favor of doing whatever he can to insure that is done properly it and it works well. it is a benefit to our building, he understands that. commissioner moore: the only person we can ask is the lawyer for the project. that is why they do not -- >> it is uncertainty about timing and cost. that is why there is a concern about making it an absolute requirement and i understand that. my suggestion might be the condition read something like they were working with the city to work out these issues and to come to a conclusion [inaudible] >> we are absolutely willing to work with the city in good faith

to make the improvements. we just feel like there is too many moving parts and we do not know enough to agree to something definitive. commissioner moore: thank you. that is exactly what i needier. -- need to hear. commissioner sugaya: if we added a requirement is the requirement to have them fund the whole thing or a portion of it, or what? >> if you look at the project and take a project out of it completely, it is subject to 1 38.1 which says per the planning department's review we can require them to do any of the standard street scape improvements, sidewalk widening and more substantial landscaping. because this is a unique site in front of a public plaza, it may be better for everyone that instead of spending x dollars on -- it could be spent for

constructing the plaza. that is what comes down to. there is a baseline requirements that will have to be met no matter what. the code does not provide flexibility administratively to say instead of doing these, it help fund and construct the plaza. commissioner sugaya: if we make it as part of the plaza at a more voluntary thing, they can proceed with the city -- the city will be happy. >> the mayor carmen is the project has the opportunity to do an alternative to the standard improvements -- we do not have the ability to do that administratively. the second is whether we can require them to do the alternative were they would volunteer to do the alternative

under our approval -- approval. commissioner sugaya: given the brothers presence in the city and all that, whatever that we can trust them to do the right thing. i would be in favor of making it voluntary. commissioner wu: secretary, if you could call the question. >> the motion on the floor is for approval with the amendments the staff has read into the record at the beginning of this hearing. on that motion, commissioner antonini, aye, commissioner borden, commission, aye, commisr moore, aye, commissioner wu, aye. commissioner wu: if wake a 10 m. >> the commission is taking a 10

minute recess.