this being consistent with regard to a couple of things. one, straighter lines. in that vein, in this case a border that is more easily described. is that accurate? >> yes. chairman mcdonnell: one more time, population and deviations? >> population of this highlighted area is 84 people. the deviation for district 10 would be negative .8%. the deviation for district nine would be 4.72%. >> thank you. chairman mcdonnell: mr. schreiber? >> i would question proposal, while is straightens line, it takes a part of portella out.

>> if i may, it takes that corner, and i don't think it is significant one way or the other. i guess it is relative. >> that "silver and black"s my question. my vote would be no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. mondejar? >> 84 people live there. they are significant. i would say no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. lam? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. melara? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mr. leigh? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: and mr. alonso? no. chairman mcdonnell: ms. tidwell? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. let's go then back up to doctor sorry, give me one moment, please. let's go back up to north panhandle.

mr. alonso? >> yes, let's get the population for the portion that is currently in 2:00-1, south of fulton and east of stan on-- -- stanion. >> that is a population of 2,855 people, to bring the deviation for district five for 3.89% and the deviation for district one to negative 8.01%. >> d-5 one more time? >> 2:00 p 5, 3.8%. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. >> and i would like to see the population of ansa -- vista.

>> would you like me to put the neighborhood layer up and just select those census blocks, or would you like the whole chunk here? >> we will start with the neighborhood layer. >> ok. >> i think it is not the northerly blocks. chairman mcdonnell: he is trying to suggest to you what to consider. finish what you are thinking, and then we will give him a chance to offer a counter

thought. >> this population is 1,051 people. it would bring the deviation for district one to negative 2.68%, and for district two, to negative 5.63%. >> let's go ahead and add the remainder blocks up to geary. >> that is a total population of 1,460 people. it would bring the deviation for district one to negative 2.12% and deviation for district two to negative 6.18%. >> ok. i still need to find population. i would propose this swap and search for population, the

remainder of the population through isolated chunks of russian hill. chairman mcdonnell: and solving for? >> basically uniting the north panhandle, keeping this area whole and in one district, and because let's face it, d-5 is pretty much off the table in regards to going to d-1, and we are already limited by what portions of d-2 to take from. any population we take from d-2 we would have to garner likely from russian hill. chairman mcdonnell: and the vista move and the panhandle move are moves we just made? >> yes. chairman mcdonnell: for what purple? >> for the panhandle remaining

whole. it would be whole, just in a different district. then we could add the population perhaps a block here and block there in russian hill. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. just to summarize, the initial change was 1,460, ansa vista. deviation would be a -- >> negative 2.12%. chairman mcdonnell: and district two a negative 6.18%. mr. leigh? >> can i ask some clarifying questions? chairman mcdonnell: you may. >> i know we had talked about the u.s.f. campus in those three blocks. can we have the population of those? for me personally i would want to see more on sort of -- i think the implication is the russian hill area. so i would like to see more there.

sorry, in stanion going over -- yes, the three blocks called out on the bottom. >> 142. >> it is 142 people? ok. on the russian hill side, can i also see having the entire line ? chairman mcdonnell: not yet. let's stay here just for a moment. >> so for me personally, i wouldn't want to know what those populations are. chairman mcdonnell: well, that is one proposedoff set. not the only one. i would rather stay here and so we are relative to this with the understands that we have to

find off set, one possibility being russian hill. >> so i would be interested in seeing this, understanding that i am not quite clear of how we would do the off set, but i would be interested in evaluating it. chairman mcdonnell: how do you -- >> yes, for purposes of moving forward, i would say yes, i am up for the switch. living over in that area, to me that is more consistent with the communities. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mr. schreiber? >> so this is both elements that we are talking about right now? chairman mcdonnell: we are taking them one at a time, but yes, the step will be panhandle. >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mr. pill -- bell?

to a certain extent i am supportive, but i am not sure i want to do this until i know where we land on russian hill. for me, russian hill determines what is his west and in the one, two and five zones as opposed to two and three. chairman mcdonnell: have we conclude thad russian hill is the only off set? >> no, but i think that is where i am. >> i believe there is a second possible chance. i am willing to with draw my amendment. we take a look at russian hill and the second possibility. chairman mcdonnell: ok, let's go to russian hill. if my math is correct. we need somewhere around 1,300 to off set this. if we could look at the

remainder of three blocks of jones street >> that is a population of 593 people for district people. that would bring the deviation to 3.38% and the deviation for district three to 4.01%. >> and then the second idea, move over to cathedral hill. and bring back -- i believe we have it at sutter, and bring it back down to geary. >> correct. it's at sutter right now. population? >> that is a population of 756 people. it would bring the deviation for district 2 to a negative 3.16% and the deviation for district 5 to negative 1.40%.

>> and that is about 1,49 people if we make those two moves, the one in russian hill and the one in cathedral hill. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. mr. leigh? >> could i just ask a clarifying question? could we see the overlay of the current district boundaries? yeah. just to get the information, could we see the population of those two additional blocks if we included those? >> do you want the total population for the entire area? >> yes. >> the total population of the selected area is 1,033 people. it would bring the deviation for district to to negative 2.78% and for district five to a negative 1.42%. >> all right. chairman mcdonnell: mr. leigh?

>> sorry. am i supposed to vote on something now? [laughter] i was just asking for background information. chairman mcdonnell: you were just curious. >> i was curious. chairman mcdonnell: so, the question is -- hold on, mr. pilpel. >> all right. chairman the question is this highlighted area and the russian hill that mr. alonso just highlighted as offsets to the north panhandle and anda vista swap. no one is ready for that right? which was my point. >> i have one more question. chairman mcdonnell: so folks have to decide. which is why i tried to frame it the way that i did. now, well, i like that part of it, but i don't like that part of it. there are multiple options for

how to reach the offerset, but if we don't agree on the initial move, there is no need to find the offsets. that is why i am proposing to poll the question on anda vista. if we do that, then we can proceed to find an offerset we agree upon. unless there is agreement on these two offsets. let's call the question on these two offsets. >> can i ask a question? chairman mcdonnell: sure. let's ask another question. >> we had significant testimony, i think, and i can remember now up on the russian hill. it seems like we go back and forth on this. chairman mcdonnell: you are making a case, but it is being promised, and with all proposals, we consider them. >> if anybody could just refresh my memory on what the testimony was. chairman mcdonnell: your memory is accurate.

this is a reversal of where we were. >> and that is where we get in trouble. chairman mcdonnell: yes. >> and i totally agreed. it is easy to remember what my vote was, that we really had difficulty in trying to make decisions. we are on our second to the last meeting. i know we are trying to resolve some things, but i think we should find some options versus reversing what we voted on. >> i think we are allowed to reverse what we voted on. to chair mcdonnell's point, we need to make a decision and move forward. for me personally, that does not require that we are not allowed to consider any past decisions. while there is testimony in amp nda -- anda vista, but there was more testimony in the neighborhood. the testimony was we have worked with supervisor farrell,

and he supported that he works with them. to the points we have always made, there are compelling cases on either side as to why it should be in d-1 and d-2. chairman mcdonnell: we are going to hear the proposals whether they represent reversals or not, after mrs. melara? >> they have been in district two all along. they are in district two at this particular time. while i want to find a way to reunite the panhandle, i dope want to go back on my word -- don't want to go back on my word with them last time. we got enough testimony last time, and i want to honor that. people are not here tonight knowing that we are making this change, and i want to see how we can honor the people who gave testimony for the

panhandle tonight. i think there are other places to go to, including the northwest side of one. >> ms. monday. >> i am not saying we are not allowed to reverse our decision. all i am saying is we have had significant testimony, and when we do, we try to make it work. now those people are not here, and we are reversing our decisions, and we can't recall what the testimony is. i want to respond to the panhandle request, but i think we should find other ways to resolve that -- hang on, let me finish. i have the floor. i just would like us to get our head together and look for other ways instead of reversing one -- reversing one more thing

and then having another crew of people here again. chairman mcdonnell: let me try to be clear in terms of how we are going to manage this going forward, what we will do, and what we won't do. what we will do is hardy proposals whether they represent reversals or not. what we won't do is debate whether we are should be considering a reversal. we will hear it, and we will make a decision, and we will try to do so as swiftly as possible. but well do that. can we go back to the map on the screen, please? if you would restate population . is that the 1,460? >> correct. >> with the resulting deviation 2.12 in d 1, and 3.18% in d-2? >> that is correct. >> thank you so much. mr. alonso is that still your

proposal? >> still my proposal. chairman mcdonnell: thank you so much. mr. leigh? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: mrs. melara? >> no. mrs. lam? >> yes. mrs. mondejar? >> no. >> mr. philip, >> no. >> mr. schreiber? >> no. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. so we will not make this challenge. mr. leigh? >> can i just make a point of information or add a point of information? the population of the north panhandle that i believe we were looking at in an effort to explore restoring was 2,855. chairman mcdonnell: that is correct. >> i believe that i cludes the three blocks in the northwest corner of that section that are currently in district one in the current lines, and i believe that the population -- i wrote down 361 or something in an earlier meeting.

if we were to imagine those blocks remaining in district one, that would make the gap a bit smaller. chairman mcdonnell: ok. let's look at this. >> sorry, could you clarify that? >> in that same area, you see the stair steps just east of golden gate park? >> correct. >> if we could look at those three blocks. this is the -- sorry, the other side. yes. that population. >> that is a population of 361. >> my point being if we were if we were to prioritize and leaving those blocks in one which they are and they have been for the last 10 years, i think the testimony that we're hearing tonight is more in

response although ideally we had testimony about restoring those three blocks, the priority is interest in not moving those other blocks. that we moved on monday evening. from d5 to d1. if that rectangle -- that would be a smaller delta. 2494 for information posey said. the delta between 2855 and 361. 2494. >> let's go to the panhandle. if you could deselect that and

select the remaining. >> the population is 294 people. the deviation would be 3.4% in the deviation for district 1 would be -7.52%. commissioner leigh: this is in the lake street area. chairman mcdonnell: is this an exploration that becomes a potential -- commissioner leigh: yes. it is an exploration of possible

ways if we were to move the north of panhandle to district 1, to five, back to five, one partial solution, not sufficient by itself but in combination with other moves possibly that could balance the population in one. this is -- if we could see the current boundaries. we have the current boundary at 11th avenue and right now in the draft is park presidio. if we could have the population of that perforated cut out. >> that is 553 people. the deviation for district 1 would be -3.36%.

the deviation for district 2 would be -0.9 for a -- 0.95 -- - 0.95%. >> maybe deselect that last block. >> the highlighted area has 770 people in it. deviation would be -3.06%. deviation for district 2 would be zero 5.24%. >> that would take us to ninth avenue. >> 10th ave. if we could see it at ninth? >> adding that bloch, 1006 people. the deviation would be 2.74%. the deviation for district 2 would be -5.56%.

>> ok. one observation. i am not proposing this necessarily. but just as one possible combination that would allow us to remain within the 5%. this would reflect an emphasis on the current boundaries, notwithstanding those two blocks that would depart from the current boundaries, but if we maintained the boundary with respect to cathedral hill, where it stands, which i know we have since several weeks back, we have moved that border up north to solder -- sutter. if we moved from o'farrell

street and moved that border to ninth avenue, we would be able to stay within 5% for district one. i might have a problem with two. i might not have thought that went through. -- that one through. >> i am following you, i do not want to give up the cathedral hill peace. they were here letting us know they want to stay in district 5. this pace that you just highlighted in district two going into district 1 would be something i would be willing to support. there is another piece on the

other side as well between 28 and 25th, between lake and california that could go into district 1. it could go into district 1 because it is a neighborhood that is similar. in between those areas, you should be able to get enough to balance one and we could go to russian hill. and that that to bring it into district 2. kraska i just add one -- >> could i just add one, the cathedral hill is at o'farrell. not in the draft but in the

current boundaries. that area is in district 2. just an observation. >> there are six proposals on the table. commissioner tidwell: going with your similar last point, let's start with the panhandle. >> we can go back to the panhandle, please. we will have to find offsetting population but that is the next phase. the first phase is this phase. can we overlay current boundaries again just so everyone can see? >> they are overlaid. >> what are those street boundaries? >> stanyon, hayes, grove, fulton

and [inaudible] >> thank you. commissioner tidwell: yes. mr. alonzo, yes. mr. schreiber, yes. mr. leigh, yes, ms. melara, yes. ms. mondejar, yes. mr. pilpel, yes. -- not at this time. >> could i ask a process question?

at the appropriate time. please make this change. commissioner leigh: the process question or suggestion that i would offer is, is it possible for us to use where we were prior to this move as a starting point or launching point that we could possibly revisit if we wanted to? our process we have made one move at a time and that is -- has worked very well but given the delicate place where we find ourselves, not having a lot of time in all these dominance. i am wondering if we could remember where we were prior to making this move. explore and continue and finish the remaining --