about the dominos we need to consider within our permitted variances. and see how we each field boulware week and up and perhaps consider whether we prefer that place or that the outcome where we were prior to the vote we just took. i do not want to overly complicate things. i am concerned that we are going to end up with another proposal that nobody is happy with that does not reflect a good solution or a better solution than where we just work. i do not know. >> what is our capacity to hold frozen the current draft somewhere and play with a copy of it and with the potential of

returning to that person copy? >> we just snapshotted the current line. we could do an overlay of that later and reestablish [inaudible] we would have to switch back to that snapshot. we could go back to that at any point and that would not necessarily entail losing work that was already done when we create a snapshot. we can make the snapshot and refer back to previous iterations at any time. >> we can also go -- >> if i said switchback to the draft that we walked into the room with, could you do that?

>> we froze the line. >> in effect we could do that. we could at any point foot back to april 9 -- flip back to the april 9 draft and we could overlay that, correct? wherever we are at the moment? thank you. your thoughts about that proposal to ms.-=-- the proposal, ms. tidwell? and compare where we land with where we started. commissioner tidwell: i would be supportive. the only change we made was adding one block behind st. luke's yesterday. commissioner schreiber: that would be fine. ms. montaro, ms. lamb. ms. malara.

commissioner melara: yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok? all right. we began this part of the discussion with the notion that there were three pieces to be considered, north pantonal and russian hill, north panhandle we decided to make the move and we decided not to make the move. let's go to russian hill, please. >> that is where we wanted to end. chairman mcdonnell: i am restating restarted. the three pieces we needed to start with. we have considered no. panhandle and the third piece of that was russian hill.

a different point of view. >> when does the lake st. part [inaudible] >> after russian hill and cathedral hill. is their proposal in that question or just curious where it fits? >> the proposal is to follow-up on questions on adjusting lake st. to balance the district. chairman mcdonnell: let's go to lake street. >> i am happy to make a proposal. in order. i would propose that we move the boundary to ninth avenue. >> that is the population of 1006 people.

the deviation is to -6.51% and the division for district 3. >> that is between lake and california? >> yes. >> district 1 deviation would be - six. wife -- would be -6.51%. >> we can only take one at a time? could we do both? >> the other one -- side would be between 27 and 28. >> adding that would bring the total highlighted area to 1880 people. the deviation for district 1 would be -4.95% and the deviation for district 2 would be -6.76%. >> i would add just one more

area at the end by the park, that little sliver that used to be in toward the west. >> that is in d1. >> move back to d1. >> that is in d1. >> it is? it does not look like it. >> there are houses of there. >> we're not sure what area you are talking about. >> just -- delbamar. >> same block. >> you cannot see them because airlines follow the boundaries. the line on the other side of 32nd, there are houses. >> never mind.

ok. chairman mcdonnell: current proposal, 1880. one deviation, [unintelligible] >> mr.s. lam, no. not all of it. >> ms. tidwell, no. mr. schreiber, no. commissioner schreiber: i would go to 27. commissioner pilpel: yes. commissioner schreiber: no. commissioner pilpel: i would like goat -- would like to go back to russian hill.

chairman mcdonnell: let's stay right here. the lake st. proposal. >> i will make a counterproposal. same thing but rather than going west of 25th i would consider east of ninth to get a population and see if that does it. probably to the seventh, 6, fifth. >> that is seventh? would you like to go further? >> what is the population? >> 1514 people. deviation -- >> boeing -- keep going. >> 1926. this is fifth avenue. >> you have current lines already reflected, correct? >> that is correct. >> 1926. the deviation? >> the deviation for this area

would be for district 1, -4.89% and for district two, -6.80%. the current boundary goes down 11th ave. >> i will throw that one out. i mean, propose it. commissioner tidwell: no. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner mondejar: no. commissioner alonso: no. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner melara: yes. vice-chair lam: yes. chairman mcdonnell: ok. please make the change. ok. could we go to cathedral hill? >> we need to go to russian hill. chairman mcdonnell: i am open to

either one. can i suggest on russian hill, i do not know, which do you want to do? >> russian hill. chairman mcdonnell: i would suggest we have several options, one is to leave as is, another is to add the three blocs in the southeast corner that we have added, subtracted, all of that. an additional option is to look at the northeast corner and straight line that down leavenworth and another option is to go not as far as leavenworth, to go further east. there are a lot of options in this zone and that i think will help determine how we deal with the cathedral hill and how much play there is left. >> i will make one. the three blocks we previously headed lion last time. >> that is a population of 593

people. the deviation of [unintelligible] >> -4.01% for district 3. district 2, the deviation is - 6.01%. chairman mcdonnell: current boundaries? can we zoom in one?

commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner pilpel: no. it takes more population out of three. commissioner mondejar: come back to me. vice-chair lam: no. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner alonso: no. commissioner mondejar: no. chairman mcdonnell: what is the next move? we have not decided on this yet. i want to appreciate what is coming next. >> i was going to propose to deflect the northeast corner and straight line id on leavenworth -- it on leavenworth.

>> in terms of if we have to, the current aviation in two -- a deviation in two, you have to go down to the cathedral hill and move from sutter to post. chairman mcdonnell: go ahead and make the change, please. commissioner tidwell: so i look at the two blocks between sutter and post. that is goff and van ness. that is a population of 592 people. the deviation for district 2 is -5.2% and the division for

district 5 to 2.59%. commissioner tidwell: so the option is also the 49 people at the end of seacrest? it would be to the left of 32nd and el camino del mar. chairman mcdonnell: won't we have to make the first change first? >> would you happen to know which block it is? >> if you looked and cost to the left, it is sticking out on california. not that.

can you add all three of those? >> we have. that is a tool move of 642 people. -- 641 people. it would bring the deviation for district 22 -5.41. the deviation for district 5 to 2.59% and the deviation for district 1 to 4.96% -- -4.96%. >> i would propose making those changes and looking for the 0.51%. >> you have those two proposals. >> can we divide the question? >> of course we can.

cathedral hill first? that is the 592. commissioner alonso: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. vice-chair lam: yes. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner tidwell: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. let's go to [unintelligible] please. population is 49. >> that is correct. a population of 49 trade it would bring the deviation from

district to two 0.51%. -- 4.96%. commissioner tidwell: yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner pilpel: not a street, no. commissioner mondejar: yes. vice-chair lam: no. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner leigh: yes. commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change. >> i have one final tweaking in russian hill. right now we have the boundary -- the southern boundary of that and goler at the top of union, correct? is that union? can we bring it down to green

from venice to leavenworth -- van ness to leavenworth? >> that is a population of 1048 people. the deviation for district to up to -2.7% and a deviation for district 32 -5.44%. chairman mcdonnell: discussion? >> i propose it. chairman mcdonnell: it depopulates 3 and we heard from public testimony from the russian hill community association it would split their organization. we have heard from them several times, we have received written

testimony as well. commissioner alonso: no. commissioner leigh: no. vice-chair lam: no. commissioner mondejar: no. commissioner melara: no. commissioner pilpel: no. commissioner tidwell: no. chairman mcdonnell: we can go back to cathedral hill played a wanted to suggest another block there. >> there is no population there. there is only buildings. >> i thought west there might be. is there population? >> this highlighted area has 164 people in it. it would bring the deviation to- point -- 4.9%. 2.37. the population of the selected

area is 164 people. >> thank you. commissioner tidwell:. commissioner tidwell: can we zoom in a teeny bit more? i will go with yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner mondejar: yes. commissioner melara: no. commissioner leigh: no. commissioner alonso: yes. chairman mcdonnell: please make this change.

>> what are the boundaries now for cathedral hill neighbors? i think we killed the whole thing that people want us to do. that is what is left in that little corner. >> this area? that is geary to van ness to golf. that is the existing boundary. >> people came to testify before us and we made changes for people here every time they come to testify but we have forgotten about the people who came before the last one and that is what i am very concerned about, we keep going back and forth and we have gone back on our word. basically. chairman mcdonnell: we have

agreed we can revisit our own decisions and we have not made a commitment to anyone. we have not come back -- gone back on our word. where we are now in the process is our highest priority which is population. all other interests from my point of view are secretary to our population challenge. unfortunately, that is going to cause us to have to revisit or in other cases, not be able to accommodate public comment, no matter how strong the case might be. that said, per our list of south of st. luke's. 27th and duncan. >> is it still possible to suggest a couple more tweaks or

smaller scale tweaks in this northern part? >> yes. >> one is a question, a population question about the block between lombard and greenwich, jones and leavenworth. this is the northernmost of the three blocks we moved back to two. that is the block. >> that is the population of 202 people. it will bring the deviation for district 32 -3.3% and the deviation for district 22 - 1.59%. >> i would like to propose this in combination with living in the lake st. boundary on the west side from 25th to either 26

or 27, which never gives us the population needed to stay within 5% for district two. the right side is that this would allow the elementary school to remain in district 3, preserving its connection to the chinatown community of interest. recognizing it is commonly understood to be an institution that is part of chinatown. >> let's take this first one. recognizing that is the potential, the next move is to the lake street corridor. >> can i ask what the percentages of district 1 are currently? >> the deviation? district 1 is under populated by 4.96%. >> folks were thinking about

this move. let's go >> 4.96% 3 district to come out -4.91%. district 3, -4.01%. district 4, -0.98%. district 5, 2.73%. -- -2.37%. district 6, 0.87%. district 7, -0.83% pettitte -- . district 9, -- district 8, 3.58%. >> district 9, 4.84%. district 10, -0.91%. district 11, 4.94%. chairman mcdonnell: thank you.

>> could you repeat district for? >> -4.90. chairman mcdonnell: going back up to russian hill. can you give us the population of that highlighted area and deviation? >> that is a population of 202 people, bringing the deviation for district 3 to -3.70% and the deviation for destitute to - 0.519%. commissioner alonso: no. commissioner melara: come back to me. yes. commissioner melara: could you

tell me what the boundaries are? >> lombard, greenwich, and leavenworth. chairman mcdomelara: did we have testimony around us? >> we've received from don -- predominantly on monday. commissioner melara: yes. commissioner pilpel: yes. commissioner schreiber: yes. commissioner tidwell: no. commissioner melara: yes, because of the school. i am concerned about the other things that need to be done. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. please make this change and let's move to the other part of lake. if we could see the population

for the block between 25th and 26. lake and california. >> that block? it has a population of 333 people. >> i would propose we move that blocked. -- that block. >> the population -- the deviation for district one would-be -4.1% and a deviation for district 2 would be -5.64%. >> we're close to the zone. commissioner alonso: friendly amendment? we go back to cathedral hill and see if there is any population

left in that sliver of what the current boundaries are. the population and deviation? >> 277 people would bring the deviation for district 22 -4.81% and a deviation for district 5 to 1.99%. >> i would so propose this. chairman mcdonnell: thank you. commissioner tidwell: no. commissioner schreiber: no. commissioner pilpel: no. commissioner mondejar: no. commissioner melara: no. vice-chair lam: no. ai