good parts do you remember the name of the city attorney and as it >> i do not recall but i have written down. >> did you ever meet him? >> manthey investigators that came to my work and to my house. >> do you recognize him here today? >> it has been awhile. i am not clear. >> are you sure that someone who came to your house with the place was an investigator? >> they give me a card and one was an investigator and one was a police officer. i still have their cards, i believe. >> the city attorney investigator, do you remember whether any time before he sought you out, he tried to call you?

reflect who she is identifying? >> i do not know who you are pointing out. >> the gentleman next to the gentleman with the glasses. >> a gentleman in the blue shirt? >> he came also early in the morning and kind of like jumped out. >> haji tried to call you to arrange appointments? >> from the(raz+m beginning i s very respectful and i told him what i said in the court. i am pregnant and he had someone on speaker phone. he said there was someone else there and from the beginning i told them i respectfully decline because i am pregnant, a high- risk pregnancy, i am older and having some health problems. i said i had to focus on my son and he said is that really the reason and i said yes, that is reason and i said yes, that is really the reason. link electronics, inc. model number: pdr-885 software version: 3.0c z will allow

it. >> did you understand he was trying to serve a subpoena? >> that was the last time. that was at my work, standing outside my work for 20 minutes and talking to my supervisor at numerous times afterq conversation when i respectfully declined. >> could you have resolved the problem by accepting service of subpoena? >> objection. it calls for speculation, irrelevant. >> sustained. >> if i may, could i say just one thing before leave? >> the commissioners may have questions for you. you're not done. sorry about that. i tw commissioners if there are any questions.

vice-chair sutdleytudley: i notd there were three text messages from ms. lopez to you and i wonder if you recall there were three of them at 10:55 a.m. and 10:56 a.m., they were so long that you have to roll over or were they separate messages? >> i remember she gave me, it was that first text and it was really long. i give you the gist of the text, i cannot tell you exactly but it was one text. like three texts. >> do you remember how the initial e-mail began? the first of that series when you opened it, what was the first thing that she was saying? >> i do not remember the exact

burbage. -- verbage. she had a fight with ross and she needed to talk to me. >> did you -- did she ask you to call her? >> she did. i believe she did. she did not call me. she wanted to talk to me and i believe she said please call me. >> did she say why she was reaching out to you in particular? >> she never has told me why. >> did she see what she wanted? >> only at one time, one of the second phone calls, i asked her what she wanted. after the call we had, i realized there was a lapse of time because i had to do a telecommute call and i had to texture back and she was not ready to call. when we talked are remember

saying, do you need domestic violence referrals? just in case that she was not telling me everything. she was focused on the custody issues. that i thought i had better just ask her again. i asked her bluntly and said, could you tell me what support need in general? could you tell me what support you need from me? why don't you call me? and she said she wanted to make it work with her husband, she talked about her relationship and she wanted a warm relationship, she respected what he did and he did really good work. and he worked a lot and he was not around as much and she wanted to have a little bit more different relationship. and so she told me she wanted to get some marriage therapist,

but they work together and try to work it out. she want him to prioritize that and if not, it did not work out, she wanted to make sure she had custody. that is what she told me. i told her i would -- that was not my expertise or anything like that. i can ask some friends. and see if i can help her in that way. >> accounted quickly 16 calls to and from new on the roster that you were shown up until 4:14 p.m. and 30 calls between 5 -- 5:12 a.m. anp.m. and 7:00. what was your mood and state

of mind? >> it was very stressful day. i am at home telecommuting and it was very stressful and i know that to -- that ileana wanted to get hold of ross and communicate. it was very stressful. and strange. being thrust into some -- with someone i do not know who is on the phone who that is. and wanting the best for them and making sure that she was taken care of and she was ok. >> i will give you two words, connecting, helping them communicate. another is problem-solving. as one or the other were both

describe what you are trying to do or is there a better term for it? >> i think support. emotional support is what i saw that i was trying to do when she had reached out to me. and referrals, if she needed them but she did not seem like she needed them. she said she did not need them. >> thank you. >> she was appreciative to get them. >> other questions? commissioner renne: i appreciate that we're putting new under stress. when they would like to do is i understand that prior to january 4, you had not had a general communication with eliana.

>> no communication. >> you had this phone call that lasted 40 minutes on january 4. >> that is right. commissioner renne: i a7 we are talking seven months ago and memories fade. as best as you can recall, at understand that you will not lmñ.éhjm(e information she convo you in that first 40 minuteconvo conversation? >> it is premature i share today, what i recalled and sprinkled throughout the conversations or the questions. ultimately, she let me know there was an argument. i depicted what she had told me. i shared everything she had told me about the argument that she had with ross. to my recollection. and then that is when i had

said sometimes an incident could be something more or connected. a wide to see if it is ok is that -- if i ask you a few questions. commissioner renne: you started questioning her about whether there were prior occasions? >> yes and i went to the different forms that i have described -- through the different forms i have described to kaiser about the different forms of domestic violence i was able to share. i am not an expert cited the best i could and i put out the different forms and made sure that she knew that -- what this meant. because of the language barrier and asked open-ended questions. at some point, direct questions. commissioner renne: what answers did she give you insofar as what had happened on december 31?

what did she say? >> exactly what i said today. i did not get the full everything. i got basically different parts of what she had said, that they had gone into an argument about venezuela. about how they were yelling back and forth at each other, you know, and she stepped out of the car, she did not care about making a scene. that is what she had told me and she said she had a bruise on her arm as she did not depict any seen more than that. i did not get all the details. >> you concluded from that description, did you not, that it was what you called in your declaration as a domestic violence incident? >> i would say so. that is in my opinion. >> that was the conclusion you came to at the end of the very first conversation? >> yes. commissioner renne: and the second conversation that you had with her which occurred wivuuui+

the hour of the first, which mulxm one minute 55 seconds. that was your next conversation with her. what was the substance, what was said in that conversation? >> i do not recall, sorry. >r$5íiwqcommissioner renne: whu spoke with her -- strike that. >> she also talked about street -- custody issues which she -- i

talked about today. commissioner renne: in the first conversation, how would you describe her tone of voice or demeanor to the extent to could draw some conclusions over the phone? >> i guess troubled, stressed, wanting to get information about the custody issues. >> are you saying the first conversation was that she wanted to -- you initiated the call to get at ration on the custody issue? >> that is what she talked about their the end of the conversation. she was really wanted to talk about that. what i was going through an assessment of domestic violence and trying to see if it was a cycle and seeing if she needed any support and providing

affirmation and referrals and it was the open-ended questions, was there anything else that she wanted to talk about, try to probe what kind of support i could provide. as a person, as a woman, someone who cares about women and social justice and community. but there the end of the conversation she was very -- i do not know what the word is. really stressed about the custody as i talked about the last part of the conversation. commissioner renne: in going to this second conversation which was at 3:31 p.m., approximately 40 minute conversation, could you separate out what was discussed in that conversation from what you discussed in the first? >> was that the longer

conversation after the 40 minute conversation? which one was that? >> the second -- the first conversation, the extensive conversation on the schedule. >> i do not have that in front of you. commissionerc- have that exhibit in front of you? >> where would i look? >> exhibit 83. commissioner renne: the first conversation took place at to -- 1at 11 a.m. >> could you help me?

ok, which time? we just talked about that. i understand now. commissioner renne: that is the conversation which told me at the conclusion of which there had been a domestic violence incident. >> but not a domestic violence cycle. my conclusion is that she was not in a cycle of domestic violence in my conclusion from her words and a stocking is that she was not in danger. she was not afraid of ross. >> in the first conversation, she relates to use the events of december 31, 2011. >> not all the events. everything i told you already.

the commission as well as everyone. i did not have all the details. commissioner renne: it only had the details that she told you, right? at the conclusion of that call, you came to the conclusion that there was a domestic violence related incident. >> yes. commissioner renne: that occurred on december 31? >> yes. commissioner renne: looking again at that same exhibit 83, if you look at a time period of 3:31 p.m., do you see that? it is on page two. >> yes. commissioner renne: that indicates a conversation of approximately 14 minutes. as you sit here today, can you separate out what was discussed

at that conversation as opposed to what you had discussed with eliana earlier? >> that conversation, i asked her what she needed support in generally speaking and also what she needed -- if she needed support from me. what did she need help)v[uj me, since i had given her referrals and she was not so interested although she was appreciative and she was talking more about custody issues at that point. i wanted to make sure, maybe i am trying to see if there is a cycle of domestic violence or she needs other help, i am trying to help her as best as possible but that is not what she was calling me about. when she was calling me about -- what she was calling me about it seemed as though from the answer, she wanted to work on

her relationship with her husband, she talked about how in that conversation, she talked about that she loved her husband and she wanted to work it out with him, but she was not totally satisfied in that relationship, that he worked a lot. -respected his work. and so she wanted to give it a try and wanted him to part -- prior ties it and that conversation is what she talked about what i had asked her the question bluntly, what can i do to support you? and my being here present for you at that time. at that time, she was talking about marriage counseling but it did not work, she wanted to get custody. commissioner renne: are you saying as you sit here today, you recall that was the subject matter of your second extended conversation? >> to the best of my recollection, yes. commissioner renne: then at 3:56

p.m. if you continue on -- there is another conversation of 15 minutes, 36 seconds, initiated by you. as you sit here today, can you recall what specifically was discussed in that conversation? >> actually, i do not recall. and i know we're going through a time by time and i am doing my best to answer honestly. i do not exactly recall. i have shared everything with you that i -- commissioner renne: the conversations were initiated by you rather than ms. lopez calling you. >> she had asked me in the previous call. this is really -- she called me.

she called me and wide support. and she would say, would you give me a call back or one of the texts, she wanted to talk. aápfçwcommissioner renne: if yod go to page five, i believe it is shows another call initiated by you of 5.5 minutes at 5:35 p.m. do you recall what you discussed specifically in that conversation? >> no. i do not recall.

commissioner renne: you have used the term that at some point in time you on that day after a series of conversations, you thought there was "something fishy." what do you mean by that? >> i thought there was something fishy from the conversation which in fact i did not know ivory madison's name and i did not know there was a callie t( untig in the media. i thought there was something fishy about eliana sounded like she is crying and she is saying, please help me, help me, help me. this is not what i want, this is

not what i want. and this person on the phone that i did not even know who it is say that i called the police and you hear eliana crying, saying this is not what what, this is not want. this person is determined of what she is going to do. and yet their friends, i thought there was something fishy with how that was handled. commissioner renne: your thinking at that time was that for a friend of the victim of domestic violence, that is fishy to call the police? >> if the person who is going through with whatever she is going through, a person who is supposed to be a friend just call this the place without any -- calls the police without any consent or respecting the person's feelings are even exploring if they are in a

domestic violence situation where it is an intense physical situation and they're not doing a safety plan are looking at for their safety or their children. it seems a little fishy to me. especially if they're not in the throes of violence were the have to call the police in that moment. it seemed she was not listening to eliana, she was not listening to her friend. that is what i felt like was fishy. commissioner renne: at that point in time, did you have information as to how long a period of time ms. lopez may have been communicating with this woman who you talk to on the phone? >> the woman on the phone said, i had been talking to her for several days and i just called the police and said, if you have been talking to someone for several days, i do not know. and then she was so concerned,

why did she not call earlier? that is what i was thinking. i did not know what they talked about. i just wanted to get off the phone and i had said, you should get off the phone and talk to eliana and respecter. that is what i wanted to communicate. i have no judgment[$! she was doing. commissioner renne: i have no other questions. chairperson hayon: i think we i have more general questions. you have been asked about a lot of specific phone calls and i would totally agree with you that your member 20 different specific phone calls from six months ago would be very difficult for any of us.

however, i think that january 4 must have been a very dramatic and memorable day for you. you said at the end of the day, you were stressed out, a lot had taken place. i am thinking, if i have a day like that, and i am describing the totality of the day to somebody, how would i describe that and that is my question to you? with the words dramatic apply? in terms of all the events that ensued during the course of that day? was a dramatic for you or not really? >> i do not know if dramatic is the right word but it was very intense. in terms of -- since the war dramatic has come out, since i brought this up. the word dramatic or hysterical

applied to the tone of which ms. lopez spoke to, perhaps ebbing and flowing and high points and low points? would hysterical apply at any point, overly dramatic or anything like that? >> i would not use those words. i would use that she was incredibly stressed and like i described, sounding like she is crying, about to cry. chairperson hayon: where she crying when you first said hello? was there someone on the other end crying or sounding agitated or upset. >> no. on the phone call she sounded like she was stressed trade she passed the phone off to the female that we now know as ivory madison. chairperson hayon: one question that has been bothering me a little bit and this would go to the first phone call, given

their position -- your position as ross mirkarimi's campaign managemer -- manager and to get a call from his wife about these incidents. did you not feel that you should recuse yourself and not involve yourself with this woman? i mean, you are in a questionable position. you are close to mr. mirkarimi, you ran his campaign. you have acknowledged it did not now -- you did not know ms. lopez except for some supervision conversation months ago, you were not friends or even true quinces. why would you feel that you are in a position to continue this phone call with this woman who was describing this incident of domestic violence to? also you had not done any domestic violence counseling for

quite some time. first phone call and we were talking, i had to do the right thing. i am someone who social justice is important to me, it is my main drive in my life. anti-violence work is and building healthy committees is what i am about. integrity is one of the important things to me. it has been challenging to have my name drugs through the mud say that i covered up and i have lied, when integrity is one of the most important things to me. without a shred of evidence or even talking to me. and so when i did that -- i did have that call, i felt like i was supposed to do whatever i was called to. mr. storelli