charter adopts the stand that was in the mazzola case that leads to the first prong. i would like briefing on which we that would cut. >> the mayor does not necessarily agree with you. the mazzola case cites a number of legal authorities. the charter language comes from one of the authorities. it is not a holding in mazzola. >> that is the issue i am struggling with and that is why would like briefing on is what i am saying. >> i would have -- address mazzola and how it impacts option 1 or option two. >> anything else?

15 pages? >> there are additional issues and we have never had an opportunity to brief our understanding of the elements of the case. even if regardless of whether you split into option 1 or option to, there are elements within a or b that i would brief and put before the commission. it is not clear with the duties of office are. to say that the duties of office applies to both is not -- does not help us determine what you can properly considered to be the duties of office. i would like to address issues like that. >> what does that mean? how many pages do you want? >> i would like to submit up to

30 pages. >i will not waste them. if i do not need them, i will not use them but it is more efficient to raise the issue then to have to come back and ask for permission and explain why the issues mayor the extra pages. >> is there an objection from the sheriff? >> the mere fact that you need to do all this work to justify the case speaks volumes. if you want to give more than 10 pages, 15 should be sufficient. i know that we can do it in 15. >> the opening brief is 27 pages. >> commissioners, -- >> i do not have strong feelings

about limiting either party. if you want to waste or paper because they think we need more education, i am happy to get it. so i would not strongly urge a page limitation. obviously our time is limited. >> i am actually probably closer to commissioner renne. if that helps to lay it out -- [inaudible] were the bids 50 and 30? perhaps you might like to offer a number somewhere in between. we did i get to do much of that. >> that is true -- do not get to do much of that. >> that is true. in light of that, i would say

25. leave it at 25, as long as you briefly to issues we discussed. will it be helpful for us to have other applications of a lot of facts? that is fine. you can do that within 25 pages. i want to talk about timing. the one thing i definitely want is an exchange of your respective findings of fact so that you have a column for your bottle position. i probably should have made another visual.

it is like a summary judgment motion. i want to give you guys an opportunity to exchange those. when can you have those done and when can you exchange them so that we have them. when can get those so we have them by august 10th?

the chorus to have the document august to attend.

>> there is little which is more like an appellant argument. i then we should focus on the facts.

kerber there will be opportunity for us to as pieces of the questions about the law off and we will have thought your briefing. i will have this played a little bit more heavily to the facts. >> we would deliver our arguments, then follow up question in. with this fifa on the facts of aloft? >> yes. if -- would this be on the facts of the law? >> yes. >> does that plan sound acceptable to the commission?

anything else from the parties. >> know. >> okay then, the meeting is adjourned. >> started in 1990. the citizens of the marina

district came to the fire department and asked for a program to survive for 3 days. there is a 70 percent chance we will have a 6.5 earthquake. 71 large fires. 40 major rescue operations. [inaudible]. rescue operations there were 34 structure fires we need 275 engines to handle this. we have 41. you will be on your own and we should be prepared. we will go over the merge training program. part of the training program is helping you make the decisions that will save lives. in this situation this person carrying a pail of water to put out the fire will not put out the fire. how many people have used a

fire extinguisher before. >> may be 10 percent of you. by the end of the week you will be putting out a fire with a fire extinguisher. you don't want to learn out to house an extinguisher when they big fire is in front of you. when you turn off your natural gas and water. hazardous materials will be talked about next week. 35-40 percent of you. you will find out that all of you have hazardous material in your home. the third week is disaster medicine. you, going into a room spending 45 seconds on one person into 3

life saving techniques. by the fourth we we will teach you as search and rescuers how to keep yourself safe by identifying safe and none safe building to go into. sometimes objects are too heavy for you to liftoff of a body. we will teach you privying which will use anything you have, wood or cement blocks so you is see that people can lift heavy objects off of people. now, you have to have a plan. every program needs to have a plan. we can't say, here are your skills. class 6, after half an hour we will split you into teams of 10 people each. putting out the fires.

you will go into a dark room and doing a search. you will be treating people with injuries on them. be doing privying. lifting heavy objects off of a doll and giving iv and turning off utilities. we are building you up to the hand's on scenario. >> what do you do? let's say you feel a tremor and it's going to shake, what are you going to do? all right. 40 people said -- >> where we going to go? >> under a table. >> [laughter]. >> going to be survival of the fitef. fittest. if you have a table go under

the table. look above you, what's going to fall. what's going to hit your head. most of the chairs decent. if you are in a movie theatre or stadium what do you do? the same thing. these chairs are not heavy dutiy but covering your head is most important. if it's an empty room go against the wall and cover your head. a lot of cut in disaster heads and arms will get cut. those you can control the bleeding where as the head injury is harder. cover your head, the most important thing to do. we cover, beaware. 15 seconds. in the marina people said it felt like a minute. if you are covering yourself under the table and it's shaking what will happen in 30 seconds?

you look up, where's the table. hold on to the table. if you are inside, stay in don't go from the known to the unknown. if you are downtown in an office building or shopping at macy's, do you run in the middle of the street? no. you stay where you are. how much time do you have? seconds. you have to make a decision within seconds. if you run to the street what will happen? >> get hit by a car. you have windows, glass to fall on you. high rise. if you know where you are, stay there than to go somewhere you don't know what's there. once it's shaking between 30

seconds to a minute and once it's over, things will fall and tip over. give it time to move around. of course, if there is danger coming to you, you want to move. so, picture these buildings. against the wall. will i go behind this wall? lean against it, cover my head? no. the pictures frames. if they come off and hit me on the top of the head, more injuries. be aware of that target. look behind you before you lean against the wall. sometimes wrong place at the wrong time there is no way to get down this way. try to find a [inaudible] place

if you can. get next to something that's sturdy that will block up against you. how much time do you have? short. >> this picture, what's a good spot? round ones. >> make sure there are no windows on top of you. if you go to that one notices sky lights above. they will fall down and hit you. either table is fine. stay away from the windows you will be better. make sure you go between the windows and make sure the glass does not pop and cut you. >> elevators, what do you think? you don't get in elevator? no.

you will be stuck there for awhile. if you go down the stair well. if there's an earthquake and you are in a high rise building. ing -- no. if it hadn't collapsed in the disaster chances are it will stay up. outside, where's an open area? high rise building when glass breaks it floats it with hit 2 blocks away from where it falls. if you are outside, you want to look up and make sure nothing is coming toward you. there is 3-5 feet of glass on market street. top of that you are going to have office furniture and debris falling into the street. even if you are in a car if you are next to large, brick

buildings and if collapsed on you there is no safe place to go. how about here. the safety spot is second base. no doubt about it. you have 60,000 people want to go to second base. people get injured jumping chairs. go between the chairs, cover your head and get your head below the seat. there is a lot of crud down there. the chairs will break the fall. if you stop, someone behind you will hit you. so, slow down, pull to the side of the road. stay with the car until the shaking stops. you need protection for your head. if there are wires near your

car, don't get out. don't park under or over an over pass under a bridge, under trees, power lines and next to freeway side walls. you know what freeway side walls are. >> these are the spots you don't want to park. in the city there are a lot of spots like that. that's pretty common response -- my experience with driving. i was driving going hope. home i had to go 2 miles. it took 3 hours to drive 2 miles. it was my unwillingness to give up my car. i could have gotten out of my car and walked home. i'm driving i thought it would be easier if i had walked.

on the freeway? this person out of his truck survived. he got out and waited for help. there are a lot of people who have certain skills will get to them. how about the bay bridge? if you have to drive after, drive slow. 5-10 miles per hour. look ahead to see if the roads are difficult to maneuver. even if you have a motorcycle it's hard to drive around this area. sometimes it's easy to walk than to drive off. the fifth, 11 people died, 6 were here. they were waiting for the family members to get off. it was by a masonry building

with glass. have emergency supply kit. at least 3. one for home, work one for the car. emergency supply kit you want one for home you want for 5 days. our old standard was 3. after hurricane katrina we participate 5 days. for work a lot of work places have supplies. make sure they do. if they don't keep one for yourself and may be your coworkers. a first aid kit a flashlight any pair of shoes in case you are driving you have to get out. water. how much water do you need for 72 hours? if you use the hot water heater you have to turn off the gas.

if you don't stop the gas it will light up and cause a little explosion or fire. vegetables. the back of the tank you go up and treat water with bleach. but remember, it should be a fresh pot of bleach. once you open bleach it looses the effectiveness of the bleach. one capful for a gallon of water. wait 20 minutes. wash your hands. wait a half-hour, to drink it, tastes like pool water but it kills germs. >> what kind of food do you want to keep? open the fridge don't open it

too much. eat all perishable food first. you want to save emergency supplies. what emergency supply food do you want to /kaoepl. keep? energy bars. dry food. canned vegetables. can corn, can peas, you can drain that and drink the water and eat the vegetables. buy can food that you eat normally. and a can opener. first aid kit, have 3. have you a small one in the car, have a nice sized one for home and make sure you have one at work. make sure if you are a diabetic or have a heart condition, something that you normal take

have a little supply. have a storage area for this. consider this. if you have a supply kit, make sure you have one that's mobile. mobile meaning, if you have to evacuate a square mile for disaster or terrorist or anything, have it in there with you in case you are on your own for a bit. you might not be in your home. you might be somewhere else. there's a tsunami coming in. if you have kids at home what do you keep for them? make sure you keep them entertained and have food they like. the most useful tool in a

disaster? scissors. if you use clothes you will be cold. [inaudible]. duct tape. many uses. you want garbage bags. line the toilet with trash bags. you want to line it, line it up use the tape, tape it around. the other bag to hold it. put a second bag in there. in a disaster you don't have to go outside you use your own bathroom close the door. you have one lined on the toilet, you take it out and tie it up. comfortable shoes.

if you have one in the trunk of your car that's great. also have one at work. get an old pair of sneakers, put it in your bag and put if under the desk. if you have to walk home you have comfortable shoes. pet food. make sure you have food and water for them. kids, too. make sure you have stuff to keep them entertained. after 2 hours, you will be in trouble. be aware of that. information. these are the initially, you are going to have all the radio stations will have emergency broadcast system. they will tell you where to go. where's the shelter supplies. initially after any disaster all the radio stations will broadcast on what's happening. the news to tell you what's

happening. after that they will broadcast the evacuation centers. where to get medical help. one per floor for fire extinguishers. if you don't know how to use it we will talk about it in class number 2. you need a unification site. if you pick up the home phone and don't hear a dial tone, try again. make sure there is a land line hard wired to the -- not plugged in. if you can make a phone call you should call somewhere further away. if you have someone out of state that way they are not effected. who's okay,