that is something that would help me, briefing on which one of these is the right way to read this provision. >> i want to thank you for bringing that forward as clearly as it did. i have this struggling with the same question since i read the charter provision. i think that is free critical and would appreciate briefing on this one as well. >> to the praise follow -- and did the parties followed? >> if you are going to see you briefed it, you did not. not this. i went back and checked. i need to know why -- i assume that you will think option two is right. i want to know why, without big

assertions of what you think is the right thing. i want it parsed and i want to know why you think your view makes most sense because there is not a lot of precedent to decide it. same for the mayor. isam you think option one is right. i want a clear -- as clear as you can, whatever president to help us figure out whether option one or two is the right way to go. >> [inaudible] >> you can make that argument. i understand. ok. beyond that, i think there would be open if you wanted to argue other issues in briefing but that is the primary one. how many pages do you think you need to make that point?

>> that particular point? >> yes. >> you with the abstract -- you want the abstract, not the fact of the case? >> here is what else i was envisioning. it would be helpful if we had 30 minutes -- closing arguments to tie together for us so in the briefing i do not think we need to see it. if you want to brief it, i would not object if you agree. but what i need briefing on is

this option. option one or option two. are their options the commissioner would like -- commissioners would like briefing on? >> i would be interested in two particular points on the same issue. if you could brief any legislative history on the charter amendment that included the second prong. that would be interested -- i would be interested in seeing. and whether you think which way that cuts for you. >> what do you mean by the issue raised in mazzola? >> in the muzzle case, a it does adopt -- mazzola case, ithe charter adopts the stand that was in the mazzola case that

leads to the first prong. i would like briefing on which we that would cut. >> the mayor does not necessarily agree with you. the mazzola case cites a number of legal authorities. the charter language comes from one of the authorities. it is not a holding in mazzola. >> that is the issue i am struggling with and that is why would like briefing on is what i am saying. >> i would have -- address mazzola and how it impacts option 1 or option two. >> anything else?

15 pages? >> there are additional issues and we have never had an opportunity to brief our understanding of the elements of the case. even if regardless of whether you split into option 1 or option to, there are elements within a or b that i would brief and put before the commission. it is not clear with the duties of office are. to say that the duties of office applies to both is not -- does not help us determine what you can properly considered to be the duties of office. i would like to address issues like that. >> what does that mean? how many pages do you want? >> i would like to submit up to 30 pages. >i will not waste them.

if i do not need them, i will not use them but it is more efficient to raise the issue then to have to come back and ask for permission and explain why the issues mayor the extra pages. >> is there an objection from the sheriff? >> the mere fact that you need to do all this work to justify the case speaks volumes. if you want to give more than 10 pages, 15 should be sufficient. i know that we can do it in 15. >> the opening brief is 27 pages. >> commissioners, -- >> i do not have strong feelings about limiting either party. if you want to waste or paper because they think we need more education, i am happy to get it. so i would not strongly urge a

page limitation. obviously our time is limited. >> i am actually probably closer to commissioner renne. if that helps to lay it out -- [inaudible] were the bids 50 and 30? perhaps you might like to offer a number somewhere in between. we did i get to do much of that. >> that is true -- do not get to do much of that. >> that is true. in light of that, i would say 25. leave it at 25, as long as you briefly to issues we discussed. will it be helpful for us to

have other applications of a lot of facts? that is fine. you can do that within 25 pages. i want to talk about timing. the one thing i definitely want is an exchange of your respective findings of fact so that you have a column for your bottle position. i probably should have made another visual.

it is like a summary judgment motion. i want to give you guys an opportunity to exchange those. when can you have those done and when can you exchange them so that we have them. when can get those so we have them by august 10th?

the chorus to have the document august to attend.

>> there is little which is more like an appellant argument. i then we should focus on the facts. kerber there will be opportunity for us to as pieces of the questions about the law off and we will have thought your

briefing. i will have this played a little bit more heavily to the facts. >> we would deliver our arguments, then follow up question in. with this fifa on the facts of aloft? >> yes. if -- would this be on the facts of the law? >> yes. >> does that plan sound acceptable to the commission? anything else from the parties. >> know.

>> okay then, the meeting is adjourned.

but the anniversary of the great earthquake was remembered. >> i would like to ask for a minute of silence. >> let's have a moment of silence. >> they meet for the annual reflating ceremony. he was joined by winnie for an afternoon celebration.

we are here to commemorate all that it signifies. at each anniversary the leaders meet to prepare for the next great quake. bob welcome everybody to the anniversary.

i got to say, the mayor gets it done. gooa round of applause for our e chief's wife. you look terrific. do we have sydney close five? -- close by.

we will pass the microphone to the mayor for a couple of quick words. we have a fire chief and the police chief. >> good morning, everyone. 106 years since our earthquake. we do have a grandson? she was with us in 2009. goopublic works is here.

this reminds us of the 3000 people but passed away in 1906 from the devastating earthquake, but the rebirth of our city is with us. i have been in all of these other positions where we are always prepared.

and we are already engaged in recovery efforts. we were there with a whole staff. we have six we assure you that when the next big event happens, that water system will be there for us to deliver water with that 24 hours. a huge change from depending on this fountain. we are handing it off to generations of youth in the city to understand -- make sure they're prepared. go to our website, it tells you all the things there. iti is about having those items prepared.w

we will survive. that is how we get ready and celebrate and honor the people who left us and make sure our city is ready. thank you for being here. congratulations to our survivors. >> very nice job. behind me is a good friend and a great firechief. you go back 106 years. braxton morning. -- good morning. one of the survivors could not be with us. those are amazing changes. it does give us the opportunity

to remember what happened. we commemorate those who suffered losses in their lives and hardships. we also celebrate the city that was nearly swept from the map. the fires raged for three days and caused rates -- great devastation. we take the opportunity to educate everyone. it is a pleasure for me to work under the direction of mayor lee. he is a public safety championship. he is a prepared as champion. he lives it. i have seen his kids and his workplace. it is all about teamwork. i am proud to be working with chief suhr. and scott weiner, it is a pleasure to have you out here. we appreciate it.

it is a great team. thank you to the people who are out here. and also our partners with the american red cross. who are here this morning. thank you for being here. it has been a tradition for many of us out here. i hope you have a great day and you remember what happened 106 years ago. it is great to be a san franciscan. >> a nice hand for the chief, everybody. i have seen this other chief speaking in the last couple of times. a nice hand for chief suhr. >> good morning. our fire chief said it. we're lucky in san francisco. we have a mayor who has moved through the tears of prepared as

an goddess ready to go. we get a little more prepared every day. god bless to the survivors. >> thank you. >> it is a minute of silence at 5-11. -- 51:11 p.m. let's have a moment of silence for a minute right now.

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>> i think the fitting way to end this germany first of all, -- this ceremony first of all. there will be playing. everybody have their words right here? i will give the countdown. as we hang the reece, i will give you a count here. have a look at me. 1, 2, 3, 4, 1. ♪ [singing] ♪

♪ >> a great day, everybody. thank you. the san francisco chornicle.

and the history association. and the neighborhood emergency response team. the american red cross. and thanks for making this happen. i want to invite everyone to go to 20th in church or -- and church. and we will meet up. we may skirt the law and serve something before 6:00 a.m. the bookmobile, where are they? >> i have my cheat sheet here

which i cannot find. the library has been here after great disasters. there has -- is a special book that won an award this year. here is the book. i downloaded it on my kindle. it can check out copies of the book mobile. nex>> thanks for being here. start walking slowly. welcome to san francisco, everyone. ♪