i was there. i talked with all the people i wanted, so she was not afraid. she was trying to -- the words that she used, screw him. >> you have made references to that. it is idiomatic and does not mean something horrible. it means, you take care of yourself and do not worry about him. did you make it sound as if you felt she had ulterior meanings. we do not know, do we do? >> as a family, i cannot talk that way to my family. >> your husband, even if you are in the middle of a potential divorce, you would not think of him that way?

>> i was so angry because she could think that wheay and thate would fight against me, but i think in our hearts, what we were looking for was like the best for theo, and december 31, i told him, if we are not happy, if you cannot understand me, if this is too much for you, we can do a divorce in a nice way, good for you, good for me. >> in terms of domestic violence in our society and in particular in san francisco, which is very progressive in terms of how we deal with women's rights issues, were you aware of our attitudes and also

in terms of legalities? if i am a neighbor, and i know some sort of domestic violence has taken place, i do not need your permission to call police, so i am surprised you would think about now ivory madison's attitude about what you clearly described as domestic violence incident, and that would possibly be of great concern to whomever you told. >> it is why i called, because i was thinking, maybe i am not getting that this is domestic violence, so i called her, and she explained that domestic violence is a lot of things. to grab my arm is not a domestic violence. domestic violence implies of usabuse, verbal abuse, a lot of

other things, and she checked with me on those things. just an isolated incident. i helped to make the bruce because i pulled away, because him touching me is not acceptable. >> it sounds to me like you did not include that information about pulling your arm away when you were for selling your neighbor and friend about the incident, nor when you told cabinet -- when you told kelley williams, your upstairs neighbor. you were telling a lot of people about something that sounded very troubling and perhaps criminal. did you not understand that? that there was the potential for this information to get out of your hands and you relayed to the police?

>> i never thought. i was so naive. >> you did participate in that video. >> when she told me, you need evidence to protect yourself, because ross just got elected share of -- sheriff. if he does not want to give you any money, how are you going to call lawyers? this is an old boys' network. >> i understand your feedear. would you say that you exaggerated the extent of this incident when you were describing it to these individuals so they may have gotten the impression it was a far more serious incident then

perhaps you have said since then? >> i remember i told not ivory and kelly in my heart i did not want to divorce. i said, i think he is a victim of circumstances. he was a little boy. >> we do not need to hear that. >> i understand that, and i understand his rational fear, and as his wife, i should support him, so my first step is to support him. good >> to protect your husband even if he grabs your arm and there is an injury like that? >> maybe if i thought he ignored my fear i would do the same

thing. >> good evening, miss lopez. i will try to be brief because you have had a long session, but i was unclear about the answers you gave just now. what was a reason you went down on january 1 to meet with i've read madison -- with ivory madison? you were the one who set up an appointment to meet with her, did you not? >> no, she called me. she said, we are here making cookies, and i want to talk to you about our goals. you want to come over? that night ross was in bed watching a movie, so i said,

this is not a good moment for you, and ross was not happy with them. we tried to push them away a little bit, because we had another incident, and i know he did not want to see them, so i said this is not a good moment, so i said, let's plan for tomorrow. i said, can you come over? >> it is your testimony that the motivating force to go down and speak with her was a rivalry rather than yours -- was ivory rather than yours? >> she invited me. >> at some point you started relating to her what had happened on december 31? >> yes.

>> i take it that you told her about ross taking you to lunch and then getting angry and turning around and what you testified to, right? is that what you told ivory? >> on january 1, i came to her homelan. i took gracie for a walk, and i was talking to her. >> i am asking what you told her. >> i told her, i want your opinion about is. >> you asked her for her opinion. did you tell her you had been audio recording the words that were being spoken in the car? >> yes. >> was that a true statement?

>> if is true. >> you still have that recording? >> no. >> what did you do with that? >> i record him in the car, so i said, i want you to listen to yourself later, and then we came home, and i said, do you want to listen when we were talking about we need to do therapy? the you want to listen to yourself? >> was that -- lacks the first time mnemonic -- >> the first time them of cracks in the car you played it for him, but now you are saying you played it for him in the house. >> i did not play it, but i recorded. i was recording him. i said, i want you to listen to yourself, and when we got home,

i said, do you want to listen. of course, no, and i delayed it, and then we started to talk, and he said, you are going to take theo away. i said, i am going to record you again, because i an not going to take him away from anyone, and then i deleted. i do not remember at what point i deleted. >> didn't you tell ivory madison the reason you were recording is because you could use it if you got in a custody fight with ross? >> she told me, you have to keep that in evidence as well? >> when you made the video, you intended for that to be maintained so if he threatened

to take your son away from you you could use that in court, right? >> the video? to use it in case he took theo away? >> so you could use it in court? >> if we went through a nasty divorce, yes. >> are you told him whenever he said on the video had to be the truth? >> yes. >> the words you used were not words ivory madison gave to you. they were your words, right? >> she also told me i really did not get it. i did not understand what she said, but she said to use the words that he pushed you and all those things, and when i was talking, i was saying, that did not happen. i am not going to say that. i am going to say the truth. this happened yesterday.

>> what you said on the tape was the truth? >> yes, he grabbed my arm. >> had you on prior occasions consulted and talk with ivory about your relationship with ross? >> as a friend, she shared with me saying is about ivory, and i said of course. >> i am asking the new share incidents relating to your relationship with ross? >> yes. >> how frequently did you do that in the 12 months prior to december 31 chairman -- december

31? >> if you check that e-mails, they are over a year, so that means i was checking yesterday. that means these are now one or two e-mails. most of them are in march, when we were back and forth e-mails, because she suggested we look for a cleaner together so it will be cheaper, a person who comes a few hours to her mom and a few hours to my home, so most of the e-mails were in march, but most of them were two or three each month. that means we see each other every saturday, but it was not that i was visiting her. in december common after she

held ross with money, i remember to say, we should start to be nicer, because they look like now they are trying to be with us. she was calling a lot of time, and i have a lot of calls from her, and i did not answer. it is not like we were talking every day or once a week. it is likewise per month. -- it is about twice per month. >> i am not asking about e- mails. you met with ivory from time to time and discussed with her problems you were having in your relationship with ross? >> the only problems are shared were the problems in the e- mails. the only information i shared with her. >> you said maybe it is two or

three times a month? >> yes. >> in any of those occasions when you were sharing those problems, did you tell her you were sharing them with her because she was an attorney? >> no. >> it is because she was a friend, and she considered you a friend. >> yes. >> on december 31, your discussion, which usa was initiated by her was not a conversation where you had gone to her and said, i want to hire you as my lawyer and tell you about an incident? >> i did not use that. the same way as with pawlentula.

>> on january 4, you had a discussion, or you texted ms. haynes because you wanted to talk to her about the incident. is that correct? >> yes. >> you were fairly consistent with trying to reach her for that purpose? were you not? >> yes, i wanted to realize that was really a domestic violence. >> had you ever prior to the time you were texting her about is, had you ever spoken to ms.

haynes about your personal relationship with ross democrats know, just comments during the campaign. everybody gets sick, and no one can follow iis reason. that kind of thing. >> you never had more than a 40 minute conversation with ms. haynes, and in that conversation, did you describe what had happened on december 31? >> yes. >> what if any response did she give to you when you told her those facts? >> what was her response to? >> what did she say in response? >> she was asking more questions, and she was

explaining domestic violence is a lot of things, so to know you are in a domestic violence situation implied a lot of different things, so just one isolated thing, maybe it is not. however, that does not mean it is right. it is wrong, and you need to be very serious and take this very serious, and we need to take ross to counseling, because he has to realize this is wrong. >> of the end of that conversation, did you ask her to do anything to assist you? >> if i asked her for assistance gunma? >> yes. >> no, i asked her about being

private or public. then she called me again and said, that is public. goross is a sheriff, so maybe we need something private to help with privacy, and she called me later and said, i have been thinking maybe you need a family, not just a couple. you need something with the family. >> i am not sure i understood the first thing you said. you said she suggested doing what? going to a therapist and? >> she was recommending a therapist? yes. it is better for a family. she said that is something public, and we want to keep it

private. >> was she the one who suggested maybe you should keep it private rather than going public? >> i do not want anyone to know. i did not want to be exposed in this wave. good -- in this way. likes is she the one that suggested it was a private -- >> is she the one that suggested it was a private 7? -- it was a private? perhaps i think it was a conversation between both of us -- >> i think it was a conversation between both of us. she said, that is public, and that is for everybody, and i do not want that. >> at that time you had that conversation with ms. haynes,

had you told ross you had discussed the incident with your neighbor? >> i told him on january 4 in the afternoon when i met him on the street around 4:00 or 5:00. wax before that, had you ever advised him -- >> before that had you ever invites you had told two neighbors? did you tell ross at any time? >> no. >> did you have a conversation with ms. haynes where you put your neighbor on the telephone?

>> yes. >> why did you do that? >> i thought she was not understanding what i was trying to say, so i said lynn net new the incident, because i explained it to her -- linnette knew the incident because i explained it to her. >> in this second conversation wtiith ms. haynes was the first time you found out the police had been informed? >> yes, five minutes before. >> you have learned that from ivory? >> she found me in the street and said, you are going to kill me. i just call the police, and the police is coming.

>> you had a series following that conversation -- you had a series of conversations on the afternoon of january 4. what was the substance of those conversations amonte -- of those conversations? >> after i knew about ivory calling the police, i felt betrayed. i felt that i'd betrayed ross. i was afraid of what was going to happen with theo. i was panicking.

>> you were very upset this was possibly going to become a matter of public knowledge. is that correct? >> yes. >> is it fair to say all the conversations you had with ms. haynes from that point on, january 4, were primarily talking about how can we stop this from blowing up? i said that point, no. -- at that point, no. i was talking about what would happen. she told me this was confidential, and when i was walking to city hall, she realized, the video, so at some point i was walking to the city hall. i had to know what i was going to do. i did not know what to do. >> all i am talking about is

focusing on your conversations. there were a number of conversations with ms. haynes, some of which were on january 4, some of which were initiated by you, and some of which were initiated by her, and is it fair to say the substance was trying to figure out how you could deal with this problem? >> i think we start to think what we are going to do around 7:00 p.m. comment on -- around 7:00 p.m., when she called me and said, ross is not answering, and both of you need lawyers.

i said, of course. and we need a lawyer. before 7:00 p.m. was just how this could happen, how i could trust it, how she could do this. called ross. did you get him? >> i would direct your attention to exhibit 80, which the council asked you about, and i think you have a copy, and if you would look -- >> i gave you that back, right? >> i am happy to try to locate that particular message. faxes from january 4 until 6:01 p.m. -- >> it is from january 4 until 6:01 p.m.

>> if you read it, i know what you are talking about. >> you text, do not write any other things. answer because -- the call. what were you referring to when you said that? >> i think it was about lawyers, or she was trying to reach him, so when she could not reach him, she was calling me, and at this point i was with theo, so i was not able to talk much. >> is it your testimony that

the vices you were talking about was the suggestion -- the advice you were talking about was the suggestion that you need lawyers. >> i think so. i think she was trying to tell me, i am trying to call him, and he is not answering. i am saying, please answer lin nette. >> why it did you say, and do not write any other thing? >> at this point i was on skype with my brother, and he said, close the facebook page, because after this, you do not know what people can write or say. do not talk about anything. do not write anything, and he never answers the phone, and he connects through text messages.

i said, do not write anything. clearly he did not follow my advice. >> do you think your conversation with your brother was before you send this message? >> i clearly maremember my brother saying, shut down your facebook page. >> as far as the timing of that call, would it refresh your recollection if you look at the document dated january 5, the next day, you have to close the comments in facebook so no one can make a comment. our phone may