question? >> during the defense of her husband's criminal case, did you meet with people that were not attorneys and give them information about ivory madison? >> [inaudible] >> use a communications with non-attorneys are going to be covered by attorney-client privilege? >> i can explain, if you want. >> i can rephrase the question. >> is that right? thank you for working that out. >> during the defense of your husband's criminal case, did you

give information about ivory madison to political consultants? did you give information about 53 madison to political consultants? >> i will interpose a relevance objection to this entire line of questioning. whatever this witness did, it doesn't have any relevance to the inquiry. >> i presume that when you say that you will be able to tie it to the sheriff. >> i think the legitimate inference can be drawn given the attorney client privilege. i can't explore whether there were conversations that went from person to attorney or a journey to a person, but i can't argue the inference if i established these facts.

>> let's see what the answer is. but we are about to cut you off. >> i am close to being finished. >> you want to know if i talk with the consultants, if i gave the information? >> about ivory madison to your husband's political consultants during the defense of this criminal case? >> i was always talking with my attorney. are you referring to gm? -- jim? >> the witness may have a hard time understanding. >> i don't know which consulting. >> any of them. >> we don't have money even

during the campaign. >> are you saying no? >> yeah, no. >> miss lopez, there is still a stay away order? >> objection, relevance. >> sustained. >> do you intend to testify against your husband before you go back to venezuela? >> objection. >> sustained. >> may i make a suggestion? we need a break, but i will suggest and maybe you will think about it. the commission may have some questions.

after the commissioners have gotten their answers, that might be more efficient. >> as long as i get to do re- cross after the redirect, that's fine. >> what do the commissioners think? do you need a break? how much longer can you go before a break? >> i think all of us are in the same situation. i am open to whatever is better for all of you. >> let's take a break. can we be back at 7:15?

7:20. thank you. >> we are back in session. but we are missing our witness.

>> council, while we're waiting, my plan for the rest of the evening is if we finish ms. lopez, go to the floor as testimony, the rebuttal exhibits, levon declaration, the chair's request for testimony, and want to talk to you about what findings and a brief that we would like in advance of august 16. >> you understand you're still under oath? >> yes. >> edison for the interpreter. >> good evening, miss lopez. have you had a chance to lead --

or read the declaration that ivory madison submitted for these proceedings? >> yes. >> did you see what she said about the conversation that the to have you had on january 1? >> yes. >> are the things that she said you said during that conversation accurate? are they true? >> no. there is some misunderstanding. >> you remember where she wrote in the declaration that you told her that after you and ross return to your house, inside the apartment, he was pushing and remember that? >> yes.

>> you already testified that when you were grabbed the one time in the car, you had a >> yes. >> if he was pushing and pulling and grabbing you, wouldn't you have had a few more bruises? >> objection, argumentative. >> overruled. >> i am sure because i bruce really easily. but i get bruised. >> did he ever push or pull or grab you inside your house that day? >> not that day, and never. >> hugh went over to miss

madison's house, when you made that video, correct? >> yes. >> and before you made the video, you had had some conversation with miss madison, is that right? >> yes. >> what kinds of things did she tell you on january 1 about what might happen if you did not stated other hand if there was a divorce and custody dispute? >> she said that i was right to feel concerned about my immigration status. a lot of immigrant women are deported for so many reasons, and the government takes the kids. she told me she is an american

citizen, and imagine if he goes to a lawyer. and also thank god that did not have been and he was not accusing me of domestic violence because i could be deported immediately. >> how was it that you made the video? whose suggestion was it? >> i have a tv producer in venezuela, a little company. i record myself all the time, casting through venezuela and miami and mexico. if i wanted to record myself, i could do it. when i was with her, she told me, you have to record this.

you need evidence. i will keep this evidence. this is just in case he tries to take the kids away from me. if he doesn't go to therapy or if this happens again, who knows? if he gets mad and decide that he wants his child for him, i am covered. >> on the video you do appear to be upset, either crying or you had been crying. is that correct? >> yes. >> were you crying about what happened between you and ross commo, or were you crying aboutl the possibilities of what might

happen? >> if you see the video, i started a video of set -- upset. i was angry for so many reasons, but the moment i start to cry is what i talked about here. that is the planoint. if you see the video clearly, that is the moment i feel that in motion. >> as you sit here, do you regret making that video? >> absolutely. >> why? >> objection. >> i am going to withdraw that. you were president hu for quite

a long time about conversations you had an interview were questioned for quite a long time about conversations you had. is that correct? >> yes. >> did not share of mercury me -- did sheriff mirkarimi ever tell you not to talk about this? >> no. >> when you made the video, and what was his reaction? >> he sat down on the floor. good >> citi talk about whether or not there is anything he could do that could stop an investigation that might be under way in? >> he did not want to answer. he was completely demoralized. good >> when you suggested to

call somebody to use your power to do something, he told you he could not and would not, right? >> objection. good >> what was his response when you called to get somebody to stop this? >> he said he could not do anything. agaiin the street he would justt down, and he did not say anything, and i said, we have to do something. i believe we can do something. it is wrong, so she does not have my permission. i thought it was confidential, and that night when lynette was

calling me, she said, he does not want to do anything, and she said, you have to go somewhere, so i told him, you have to react, take the phone. i am going to put everything together, and we are going to sleep in that house. it was me and putting everything together. it was me who was pushing him, and i remember when he was arrested we were in the seraphs office, and we were walking outside the -- the sheriff's office, and we were walking outside, and there was staff next to us, and ross was panicked. he was so sad, and i said, you

won the election. stay strong. and we will win this, so that picture is completely wrong. good >> which picture? >> thad allen net was telling me what to do. the only one telling me what to do was lynette. he was the person afraid i would leave hammonhim, because i knowt he knows how i am. >> thank you. i do not have anything further. the park's new redirect -- >> no redirect. >> good evening, ms. lopez. i think earlier tonight you

testified the video was truthful. is that correct? >> id is. >> in the video you say this was the second time this is happening. what were you referring to? >> this was the second time we talk about divorce, and it was so hard for us, and the first time this happened was really his mistake, and it put the fear inside me saying he would fight to gain custody. >> let me stop you. i think in your video you were pointing to your brucise when yu were saying this is the second time this was happening. were you not referring to your bruise?

>> i was pointing at that moment? i do not think so. 5 i thought you were. >> i said this is the second time this was happening, and i remember that, and i was referring to my fear that he would take theo away from me. >> in the video you also say you were going to use insect just in case he was going to try to take theo away from you, and you said he was very powerful and can do that, so did sheriff mirkarimi say he was very powerful? >> he never used that word you're good it was my conclusion. i can say, i think he attacked

me and it was rude. that was my conclusion, and maybe some people will agree with me, but if you take it out of context and say he attacked you, he did not. it is my conclusion. >> what did the sheriff's say that led you to the conclusion he believed he was very powerful? >> we had a long conversation, and he told me he would fight to gain custody and he would use being american and -- the divorce are not happy -- are not easy, and usually you are angry, and i think we both regret to say a lot of things at that wa point. >> when did that conversation

take place that he said he would fight to gain custody because he was american? >> in march of 2011. that was the first time we got that situation. >> did he say it again on december 31, 2011 during the fight you have then? >> no. >> thank you. >> [speaking spanish] >> [speaking spanish] >> the court reporter is licensed to report in the official language of the court. >> i will translate for you.

[speaking spanish] >> when my beautiful city was even more beautiful. >> if i could i would ask all the questions in spanish for your ease, but so everyone can understand, it is probably better that i do it in english. i live in caracas for a certain time, but back in the 1970's, when it was a fabulous city, and i enjoyed my stay very much. i have a number of questions for you. my first question is in january when these events took place, how long have you lived in san francisco?

>> three years. i moved to san francisco december 12, 2008, so i was exactly two years in december. >> you said you turn to our free medicine in this troubling moment because she was your friend and neighbor. is that correct? a >> yet. -- >> yes. >> did you have other friends to whom you could have turned to? did you have friendships and form a community during those three years, or were you isolated? >> no, i am not that social, but i have a few friends, spanish speakers in my class. i create a class for toddlers to

share my acting skills with other kids, and i built a friendship with at least three mothers in my group, and i talked with them regularly, and i have another friend from columbia that i talked with all the time, and also my best friends, one is living in mexico, and we talk all the time, too. >> yet you did not turn to any of these friends to discuss your domestic violence incident. why is that? >> in december 31, i have a long conversation with my dad, and i talked to my brother, and i did not talk with them or any

friend, because i thought it was not relevant to talk with them about this. goo>> why did you think it was relevant to talk to your neighbor, and ivory madison? >> she called me in december, and she said, can you call me so we can plan our goal for the new year? i said, can you take care of theo. i said, i will be there. i was mad and ross, so i said it was perfect. i went to see her. that was the conversation december 31. we plan for the next day. the next day i went to her home, and she started to talk about

she is in therapy, and she mentioned my therapist. my therapist told me i have anger issues, and i thought, and who really? anchor issues, -- anger issues, and i think i would like the number, because i would like to share your professional opinion. that is how i started the conversation, and i remember when she mentioned dasthat. i said, i really need your professional opinion about this. it was as a lawyer, because she is always repeating that she is a lawyer. >> did she understand what you

meant about that when you said professional experience? did she understand, and did you make it very clear you were seeking official who legal counsel? did you say those words? >> i said its, and she responde, of course, i will help you. i have been in court so many times. i know how it works. >> i will stop you right there. it is one thing to say, i will help you. it is another thing to say, i will act as your attorney. did she ever say she would act as your lawyer? >> she said, i will take care of you. this is confidential. we need to make evidence. we have our office.

i have been in court so many times. she has been telling me so many times she is a lawyer and using those words, i am all lawyer -- a lawyer. >> is it possible that at that point there could have been either language issues or some kind of cultural misunderstanding in terms of what she heard from you and what you heard from her? is that a possibility? >> it is. >> you have any understanding of why she might have been so upset or concerned about your situation after you described this incident to her? had you understand she would be really worried for your safety, up because you seem surprised

about her reaction and her desire to call the police about all of these and events >> on january 1, she was not concerned about my safety. she said, i am so sorry this happened to you. you do not deserve this, and i said, of course i do not deserve this. i think this is wrong, and this is a warning call, and i was very clear about that, and we made a decision. i think finally he understood, we need therapy and counseling, and she offered to look into counseling on january 1. now she switched from january 1 until jry