basis. i will honor that commitment. i am in possession of the document you're quoting from. >> miss espinola jackson? one last thing. two minutes. >> everybody knows i am long winded. let me say this. what was raised to you was a section 3 of the guidelines the people that live in public housing get the job first, that is not happening in san francisco. that is all that is being said. it was stated earlier by the speaker. no one is in compliance when it comes to the residents of san francisco. the work force, i would like to

know who is monitoring. i know that we started with human rights and we had some good work and going on at that time. but who is doing the monitoring? ha who is complying? also the statistics, how are you receiving those statistics? you have no one in the field to make sure that the contracts are complying with labor compliance officers. that is a very big concern and i think i have 20 seconds left. i am used to talking fast before -- because i go before the board of supervisors. i would like you to understand what the community is saying. we would like a change along with the supervisors. you need to know everything that is going on in the community and not everybody coming to you speaks for bayview hunters point. we will give you truth.

what you have been receiving on not truth -- are not truths. they would receive truth because we have been here since 1943. i know my community. [applause] >> rhonda, you probably know the statistics when it comes to hunters view. >> let me talk about compliance in general. every time i come down here, it is about compliance. israel, it is part of the history here -- israelit is reat is part of the history here. in terms of compliance, we have a lot of compliance year.

-- here. most of this is in good faith. ahead ms. jackson, a number of folks in this room, they have been in the struggle a lot longer than me. the compliance of section 3 that has been referenced by a number of you, i work with dominica and the housing authority. it is good faith, it is not a mandatory compliance. the first source is good faith. redevelopment policy is good faith. the new policy is mandatory, but a lot of these projects are not subjected to that. what good faith means is that we work hard getting folks ready, we spend a lot of money looking at -- there are a number of

cbo's the receive those dollars to get the folks reheaready. we contacted out to help get the folks ready. to the degree that it is a perfect system, i get criticism on both sides of the i/o. i think it is a collective process to try to figure that out. hunter's view, i thinkw e have -- think we have some decent numbers of there. it is impossible to get the folks to see that. we are working hard to figure that out. the three policies that have been on the books for a number of years have been the full faith federal requirements. there is no mandatory policy or mandatory goal. the local hiring policy that the city of san francisco is one of the only local mandatory policies on the books.

it means that contractors are obligated to hire a percentage of folks by trade on those projects. that is not the case with section 3. it is not mandatory, miss jackson. >> [inaudible] >> miss jackson? >> [inaudible] >> ok. >> the panelists will be here. >> we can talk about it all day long. there is the disconnect. this happens a lot here. another thing that might be helpful is to have those same folks that feel that it is mandatory in these meetings. to my knowledge, those are not

mandatory. that is the way we monitor them. >> are there any other additional questions? we can hook up with miss robinson. >> [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >> ok.

thank you. i just want to responde to the question. previously, the establishment of the human rights commission was done by what we called chapter 12. you know that, that was about the employment of residence here in san francisco. we still have chapter 12b on the books. however, 12b is the employment ordnance for the city -- ordinance for the city. as the administration changes and this government with a different government leaders, we were giving the responsibility to deal with only the employment and if there is a case of discrimination. you can come to our office if you feel your not treated

fairly in these locations based on this regulation. you can come to the human rights commission and we will take your complaint. we will investigate that complaint and to make sure that your complaint is heard. our role has changed. our role has changed in government. we are only able to deal with the discrimination and of that. we need you to come to the human rights commission meeting on the seventeenth. i would like for you to come and tell us again about it. if there are individuals with specific complaints or problems, please come to the eighth floor. we are out here at the bayview business center three times a month. we are here to hear your complaints, your problems, the

concerns. we are trying to help you figure out the bureaucracy of all of these issues. and try to resolve them the best we can. our duties got reduced in some sense on chapter 12b. it was done by leadership in the mayor's office. >> [inaudible]

>> diane? i am available after the meeting. you and i can talk. you are a local business, and therefore you could not get a job placement. but we will take care of that after. i want to continue the meetings of the others can talk and we can move on. i am around, i am not going anywhere. >> yolanda jones. >> i am yolanda jones, bayview resident for 51 years. i want to piggy back, but i will tell you new things. when my father, charlie walker, comes to every meeting, i said i

am going to open my own business and i will get all of the certification that use a unique and i will try to get some work. i am certified -- transportation authority, redevelopment agency, everybody that you are supposed to be certified that you're black and out of this community. you said one thing and. the disconnect from them in hunters point, yes. we have been lied to. i have been certified. i am on nine contracts. but only one of them started for me and it was 30 days and that was it. i am on * contracts but i have learned they have to find out

when they start. if it goes to 2018 and you put me out on 2017, i will be out of business by then. the contracts mean nothing if i say i am black and from hunters point. if i am still living, if i am still employed, that i will have an opportunity to make 200,000? 500,000? the problem is that all the department heads need to understand -- first of all, you're making us prove we are black. you're making us prove that we are from here. i know how the work. if you are mad at them because they're telling you that you don't have anything you can always reach back and say that you don't see the certification. these contractors come into our

community, tell us l.i., find us some good people that are certified, put us on there and don't give us work for five years. i have done everything right. i went to the program, i live out here. i don't know what more you want me to do. i am a woman, i am black, i show my certification. i am black. i work here. the sooner i get on to waste water, i am tired of bob and harland kelly. so the disconnect from them, bayview hunters point, district 10, the people that are always out here with the burning flame, the people that went all the meetings for model cities and

hunter's quapoint, i was the kid in the backseat. i am certified. they can identify with me. they turned back a contract where you could go there and look at the plans and they would put you in connection with the people. she told me -- what happens left? how do we find out about transportation authority? i am interested. we have no plans, we were getting them from bdi. where do we get plans for that? once bdi closed, we stopped getting them.

[applause] >> can i say a word? i'm over here. yolanda. i don't know if my e-mail attachment came through, but the fire in the back of the room, the next upcoming contract is the construction management for the bus storage facility. which is a small contract, $80 million worth of construction, probably less than five construction management that is going out now. that is not 2017 or 2015. the other -- that is next tuesday. they will be coming out a weaker so after that and there will be more pre-proposal meetings. i am aware that bdi closed. there are no plans associated

with it. the construction packet will be going out with plans. we will find a way to put them out here in your community. i am happy to talk with you about suggestions of four locations -- where a location is. >> [inaudible] >> ok. ok, i think we've had that plan on the list before, but i will make sure that it stays on there when there are contracts with the plans. this is an rfp you can get from the website. >> i wanted to piggyback on what yolanda said. i hear this all the time, it is hard for anyone to get work with the city.

when they talk to these, they don't know if they are listed on the contract and if they find out that they are, they are never getting word. and 3, the most important thing, when they don't get work, they don't get paid time leave. if you can't pay it financially, that is very tough. these are challenges that we can probably -- city families can look at trying to do something a little better. we have been working with other departments. since they have a lot of work, one of the things we're trying to initiate based on the late calvin hayes was the construction center. we are trying to take the leadership to bring here and we will try to have it in such a

way that we look at napoli the -- not only the puc projects, but we'll identify, look at the packages, and with technology, we are going to e-mail you or send you a text. most people don't have time to look into website. we are looking at ways that we can disseminate information to people, that is something that we are closely working on. the other thing is that when a contract with us up, how we are requiring that they sign their level of participation. a lot of times they don't know if there are listed. we are requiring that on the contract.

the only thing based off of what yolanda said, if we can do a better job of letting them know when these services will be anticipated or needed, we have long-term contracts for five years or something like that. it will be nice for them to know if the work they are performing is up front, towards the back of the contract, or in the middle. i think that we can work with certain groups to try to improve the way that we do contracts. i hear a lot and i think we can do better. >> i have a question. it is more directed toward contract compliance. is there a way to legislate this? like the local higher initiatives?

-- hire initiatives, a good faith effort? is there a way to begin to move legislation to hold contractors more accountable or increase the transparency between them? >> i think that we probably need to get the community and some key departments stakeholders to talk about the barriers and see what we can actually do and what we can do without legislation, and what are the things that we legislate? a big problem with a lot of small firms, especially when they start getting work is the cash flow. you start depending on these big companies to pay your payroll because you don't have the cash flow. the city requires that they

submit an invoice once a month. some department takes a month to pay. you have two months of pain year-old staff. i kind of understand that that is difficult. we should break it down, what are the barriers before you get certified? sometimes bonding, we can talk about all this stuff. we have a dedicated group looking at barriers for getting contracts and once you get a contract, what are some of the barriers that make you survive? everyone who comes into my office, i have been trying to solicit ideas of how we can do better. >> thank-you.

>> mr. al curry? and we'll close with the -- >> [inaudible] >> sure. sure. ma'am? can you -- >> good afternoon, my name is al curry, al curry trucking. mr. kelly, you -- yes, ma'am. mr. kelly, you sort of hit on it a few minutes ago. my question to all the different agencies up here, i want to thank all of you for coming. i have been in the trucking business for about 35 or 40 years. i have been right here in this area. one problem is the payment and you are just beginning to hit on

that. years ago, when it was set up, we were being paid a 30-45 days after we submitted the invoice. there is a rule in the payment of saying that we would get unpaid as small businesses whether the contractor got paid or not. my question to you, why hasn't that been forced for all of the different agencies? i have worked for the department of public works, the puc, i haven't been paid for july on crystal springs. i just got paid for june and up on the hunters point project. that is happening all the way around. i have a line of credit, but the line of credit only goes so far.

so what are you guys going to do to make sure that we as a small businesses can take in order to stay in business? you guys are creating opportunities for us to get these jobs, but we can't stay in business if we can't pay. we can't afford to carry big businesses. so what are we going to do to try to increase payments to us on time? >> i think one of the challenges that we looked at, some of these companies don't submit monthly invoices. the package two or three and when asked, where is my money, they say the city has its. they call me and i am looking, web corps for example. you worked on 525 with me.

one of the things that we are working on, we are moving to online invoices, and one of the things that we are doing is that we will turn it on next month. if they list you as a sub, we will notify the they have been listed and how much. if you have the issue with how much you are enlisted for, you need to talk to them. the second thing is that once they are paid, we actually deposit into their bank accounts, we notify them that they have been paid so that you can go and collect. everyone is calling because they blame us. that is the system we are putting in place. the contractors don't like this, but we are trying to be

transparent. as far as you mentioned, 10 days, i think the theme that we are trying to make sure that happens is that they pay the subs within three days, and that is what we are trying to make happen. >> i am glad to hear what the puc is doing. we need to follow their lead with automated notifications. what we have noticed is that they are not billing us on time. and when we pressure them to submit their invoices, they will say that they are carrying 27 or 30 subcontractors and we're waiting for two of them to submit their paperwork.

that is a big problem. when we get wind of it, we addressed it. they don't like to do it because it creates a lot of additional of the minister of work. when we learn about it, we pressure them. we make about 90% of all the payments within less than 15 days. we have a high record of extraditing that. but we can talk to them afterwards and figure out how we can implement some of their practices. >> we are very much aware of the issue. one of the things that takes time on the applications is the review process. please get submitted by contractors on the fifth of the month and there can be another five days, 10 days of review. we have changed our policy and

asked for a draft to be submitted no later than the twenty fifth of that mother, meaning they you know what work you have done up until that point and we will let you project the rest of the month so that we can start the review process. the way all the approvals and everything are in place. we are very much aware of this problem. there are things that we can do to brake the -- break the rigidity of this. it is a slow turnaround to get everyone comfortable with that, but we are working on it. >> housing authority? do you have a prompt payment policy? >> our contracts are paid, they are established with each contractor. we pay within 30 days.

if that is something that sounds like it is of interest to local businesses, i can take it back. at this point, we pay within 30 days. >> on the central subway project, we are committed to complete transparency and will post to the day that invoices were submitted had when they were paid so that all of the subcontractors have access to that information and to know when invoices are submitted. they know to go to the prime contractor. additionally, they will know when it has been paid. finally, we have access to compliance officers that handle the proper payment issue so that if it is not being paid, they can contact the compliance