alteration work, he figured an upgrade. work triggers it. if that standard is triggered, which is a very high level, and it is very often met, and in addition to that you are doing over 25,000 square feet, then you need to believe certification or the equivalent for standards. so three things. structural upgrade, over 25,000 square feet, mechanical upgrade. there is really a place where it could be an issue for folks, applying to b and m, but it also applies to residential. so when someone knocks to renovate it work talk about some kind of helping, it is over 25,000 square feet and they usually do structural upgrades

with their plumbing systems. that could be a big burden on these kinds of groups. triggers, a couple of times. fortunately, the historical building code which i mentioned earlier provides some relief across things qualified for building codes, and you get release for certain building codes. so there is a solution so it does not become overly burdensome. ok. now let us see what this looks like when you submit it. if you look at attachment b-one, there is a signal template, and here is what it looks like. we want a sheep that looks like this attached to your plan is set, with everything legible to

our minimum microphone sizes, and maybe it takes two sheets, and that is what we need, so we try to make it easy for separate sheets or whenever it is. this particular one is if you are doing a lead or leave the equivalent system like you would do for these guys or high-rise, we have green point ratings, if you use that, and we see which of those elements you will be achieving, and importantly, with the actual model of these checklists here, here is one of these checklists. there are a lot of pages. you check what you are providing, and you actually tell us where on your plan you can

find the elements to claim that you will be doing. so you say you are going to be putting in the point because we're using engineers, what ever is. you look at whatever it is. tell us. or if it is not submitted, there later is an addendum and they will be submitted. so you have the same check. yes, we will take care of that. but we do not know where is that you'll be doing it. so speaking of tracking, people often say, well, how do you report this? are you checking this stuff? the amount required to meet a lead certification is a big stack of documents materials. basically, leave it does the checking. you let them know what you are

intending to do, they give you approval in certain ways, you finish the job, and you are proving to some level that you meant it and they provide you with certification. if you go through that process, we are satisfied. we are not going to be checking all of your submissions, we are not checking on the field to make sure you have the right kind of paint on the walls. you have to do that yourself. and green point rated has a similar program. so we will accept that. we will not be plan checking. the problem might come in those buildings where someone says they will not need lead or get a plaque, they will meet an equivalent standard. or we say, well, how do we know?

these are the agencies that are checking it. so what we have done is written into our rules that we may be doing something with those buildings that are not certified or raided, and we have not gone there for a long time, with who is doing them and so on. but if you are certified, we consider that. now there is a bit of a problem for somebody building a brand new building if they want to close out the job, and it takes another four months to get to certification. we say, well, we have not gotten your certification yet. but they have a procedure detailed in the fullest. in my purchase schiller -- professional opinion, i can

sustain these events, and we will accept that. if you later get your certificate, send it to us and we will replace that letter and your of the hook. >> the professional record would both the to have their professional license and a corporate credentials.

>> they can sign as a professional, but ultimately what the department is asking for is potential license is engaged in the process. typically, something does have a stamp, or they would not get their approval anyway. >> thank you. did i hear correctly that for 2009 you will not be doing more requiring verifications' for residential buildings? >> that is correct. for 2009, there is no requirement that a small project the green point break it -- rated. you do not have to show that you have met the requirements. you have to just show us which

of the 25 points to our meeting. -- you are meeting. >> and what is the time? any project submitted as the set of requirements that apply? >> these time frames begin january 1 of each year, and it is based on the date of the said middle of your permit applications, your health and safety code. it is the date of applications that the requirements be effective. so if you are to submit now, you have to meet the 2009 requirements. if you are to submit now on a permit with a sense of details in 2010, you do not meet the

requirements, you meet 2009 on your permit application. so if somebody were to have submitted something last year, up even though the addendum was coming later, the state of your permit application, foresight permits, you know we have something called a process where you submit an umbrella permit saying here is the concept, the size, and the shape, and you go through the planning review and approval process. you do not want to do all the details and architectural drawings, because that could take the story off. and later you submit an addendum. the agenda are now permits. -- not permits. the only permit is the site

permit, but first umbrella permit. so the trigger is the date of the application. >> then at what point do you submit the guidelines? would that be during the site permit? >> yes. you submit this checklist, and as i said, it will not be submitted until you submit your addendum. it will be part of no. 3 or no. 4, and there should be part of your application. >> it may not be relevant to what the building department could be interested in at all. it could not be applicable. >> right. you could look at major transit hubs. or maybe it chose the site plan or something.

>> during the process, if things change, you could resubmit the check list. >> that is right. >> just like every other thing you do. >> right. >> sometimes the sale of the building is earlier and the interior comes. how is the interior -- according to the building interior, how is it scheduled? >> there is a leave project for it, so you choose which rating system makes sense and i think they would generally choose the shell in that instance, and the new first-time tenant billed out, they come in for design on

there and there would be separately certified commercial interiors as the most common solution. and then we could probably come up with an example where they choose to do something a little different. >> in preparing for this, i wrote this little memo, thinking about what are some of the significant challenges we are facing. one is the lack of focus financing sources. we've seen -- i have seen many people say, i would love to do full lafayette -- photovoltaic. but to simplify it so homeowners think it is easily done is a big challenge, and i think we are going to seek solutions emerge.

>> we have had a lot of innovation on that and the last year. i think on the day of filming, the main issues credit in general. but provided one is well- qualified there, there are companies providing solar service and take on risks and responsibilities of maintaining the system over time and acting of a miniature utility where you agree to pay a monthly fee for electricity generated in lieu of pay that the payment, depending on how appropriate and easy it is for your home or business. that cost of energy can be lower than the utility. it can be a little higher, but at least it is predictable.

>> i was encouraged last week to talk to one of the credit unions hear about the concept of having unsecured loans of up to a small amount, $20,000 for green building, to make it really easy for people to get money to have upgrades. i think we are seeing these kinds of products coming forward in a year or two, so you can do insulation. we have a special program for you, a public service program. >> one challenge the financial industry had is what does it mean? a single photo system as a particular set of parameters and output, but building grades are

well attended to, appropriate for the building. that is being addressed by the development of national underwriting standards for green building, so it should be a lot easier for things to be provided and for banks to recognize the value of their borrowers reducing energy and liability, so they are a better credit risk than other types of investments they could make. because there is a great deal of activity in that area. >> the last year has been a stumbling block. can you give me a list, they said, of what is a green building upgrade, so we know we're talking about? we will need to be engaged with lending institutions.

i talked about having no clear integrated green building. there are a lot of people now. this is a profit center. a lot of people are saying i do energy analysis. there are building analysis and water analysis people, people who look at everything except the integrated green building light, standards for consumables, refrigerators, getting rid of your trash, how long to take a shower, how do you get to work? we focus on how much energy use, but we're losing the value of the overall evaluation. so one of the challenges we are dealing with is integrating energy savings into the whole valuation.

>> there are tools that evaluate the impact from the point of view of climate change, and there are growing number of proprietary tools for integrated analysis of the performance across different resource categories. they are getting more and more comprehensive, going beyond energy, but they do not necessarily get into a number of issues overtime, and that is a challenge at minimum. but it is an interesting idea. >> employees are provided with critical knowledge and skills. i do not want to be critical. i started with long-term employees hired to have a job,

and they come with a skill set and are good at what they do, but they're still set is not yet upgraded to include a lot of green buildings. so it is a challenge for the city and for the industry to upgrade skills for what this is about and what is leading, other than the economic crisis at the moment. the biggest feature of the building that we have seen in the last couple of years, this is the big wave here, what is happening. we have been doing this for a long time. this is a big, big sea change. >> and there's a great deal going on in that area at the same time. you see while there has been successful programs looking at integrating analysis across different areas of resource usage and how to operate this

system, there has been less training specific to a given trade, but you do see more emphasis on those with the unions out there, typically extensive training courses, and then there is also shorter offerings through pge, building and operation certification programs, and even green plumbers out there attracting interest in a trade that may be has not been engaged as long as others. and as interest in photovoltaics increases geometrically, the pool of skilled workers to have the technical knowledge to input design in the systems is definitely a major challenge to maintain that growth. >> educational opportunities are

there. we just need to move our employees and take personal ownership of these things for your employment. there are plenty of opportunities for everyone. i see plumbing trucks driving down the streets, green plumbing. it is everywhere. green builders. >> just to name a few resources in town that are low-cost, there is a monthly green building professionals meeting that typically is posted at the department of the environment, but it is by building it green, open to any interested parties. you go to builditgreen.org and ask to get on the mailing list, and there is a lot of information on the web site. they have the mission to facilitate overall change in the

market to institutionalize standardized green buildings and practices, so there is not only information for how to verify. how to identify green materials, there is a database to resource system, so there is -- >> the energy resource center is at howard street. >> yes. they typically host in the neighborhood of 100 to 200 class's each semester, so basically twice that many a year, and they are affiliated with other programs throughout california streets of san francisco and stockton trading

centers are the biggest, and they tend to focus in san francisco on commercial construction and building related issues, documents been focused on small-commercial and residential, and you can get information about either of those on line. >> and you can find out about training, opportunities. they have them all there, all the time. there are many resources and a lot of information. >> usgbc.org is most centralized. and locally, to connect with professionalism, the northern california chapter. they put together class's brought to the bay area, and

they are the most local and specific. you can find networking resources and great stuff through that website. >> there is a whole lot more to talk about, but it is 1:30. thank you for coming, and see you next month. thank you very much. >> i want to learn more about e-mails, internet. er >> social networking and e-mail.

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