so, the next guy that we got, after we did jugs, i'm like, man, this is cool, let's get some more. so, you know, it's addicting to me now. [laughter] >> so, that's right, it's a good addiction, though, right? you know, we got jugs and everything was good, and you know, [speaker not understood] the guy that you saw in the press conference, i don't do press conferences. i stay out of them. i don't like being in front of cameras. he was all hank paulson. then guess what? he got booted out of office and they brought in another guy. so, i'm like man, this is going to work with this guy, too. every new attorney that come n you have to sit down with them and meet them and tell them what this means to you and what you can do and what you can't do, see if they'll go with it. and, so, the new guy came in and i was like, i don't know if he's going to go with this, but let's try it anyway. so, this is where we met william brahas. i'll tell you a little about him, too, and his story.

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>> all right. william brahas, 20 years old, how we caught him, too, he used a lot of the internet. he was all over youtube, facebook. his girlfriend was big in helping us locate him. she put it on her facebook. you know, i don't know if you guys know this, too, when you take a picture and you post it on your facebook, it gives a

little longitude-latitude. that's how we got up to glendale. we're in phoenix, arizona. let's see. here's a little bit about jugs again real quick. he got 4-1/2 years prison time, over $10,000 in damage to the city for clean up. got 6-1/2 years in prison. he did over $15,000 in damageses to the city. how we caught mod the first time, which kind of upset me, is he spray painted a fire station. and i don't know about you guys have good firemen like us, but our firemen like to kick the crap out of people that do things like that. they've helped me a lot. they actually chased this kid down, got him arrested for the criminal damage on the firehouse, but for some unknown reason we didn't get a call out on it. when i get something like that, i know who he is. i put a file stop on him. for some reason they didn't

call me so i didn't get to interview him that day. i had to find them again. once he was released from jail he he was back out tagging again. his tags started moving north and west of our valley. where is he going? so, then, using facebook i found out where his girlfriend was and she lives in glendale. so, they take pictures and it goes on facebook and you do the longitude-latitude and you can get kind of close to where it was. well, just so happened that he tagged at 27th avenue in glendale, right on the glendale and phoenix border, we start today set up on him and found out where his girlfriend lived. we sat on the house and caught him, okay. after we arrested mod, broad him in, same thing. sat down and interviewed him for hours. and, man, they cry. you see that? once you start getting into their -- thing that helped me with mine and like i said, i'm not an expert, but if i can use -- if you can use something for

me to help make your investigation successful, i don't start off with why did you do this, what did you do -- i start off nice and slow. tell me a little bit about yourself. it's like an interview, okay. and they tell you. you find something like jugs didn't have a dad. he said, i didn't have a dad to kick my ass to keep me right. it's okay, man. you try to hit those things and work them that way. mod, same thing. he was addict today it. could not stop. did not want to stop. just kept going. told me that if we didn't stop him, he'd still be writing. but here, 6-1/2 years in prison. so, we sat on that house. we arrested him that day. it was a great day, it was a great time. got him put behind bars. did his fingerprints. guess what? fingerprints came back. i got hits all over phoenix. what the hell is going on? guy is just a tagger, right?

no, he did six burglaries in phoenix and five burglaries in glendale by his girlfriend's house. 35 guns stolen. went back and interviewed him. where did those guns go? he sold them. to who? bunch of tagger buddies. so, it go and goes and goes. and now he's got 6-1/2 years for the graffiti. he's facing up to 8 years right now for the burglary charges. so, it's not just graffiti. b feet i'm telling you, please don't believe that. * what else did i want to tell you guys? there's something. just be careful with some of these guys, especially when you deal with them out on the street. there's a couple incidences where we caught people in the act, arrest them, get their hands behind them, sure as crap they have a gun right there. so, either they have guns or they have pellet guns that look like guns. same thing as i'm going home to

the family. they pull that on you. you know what you need to do. it's a getting worse. and we're doing a study -- you might be interested in talking to you about it. they're doing all the crimes that are linked to these guys that are taggers to the crimes that they're doing beside. i'm sure you're doing a lot with us. i love the stuff you're doing. i applaud you for that. just remember that it's not just graffiti. anybody have any questions? this is one of my favorites. i saw a female doing graffiti in phoenix on the street and she was helping the painter, she was doing it. she kind of looks a little bit funny. any questions? again -- go ahead, wait, wait, where's the microphone? thank you.

>> [speaker not understood]. everything i've heard today, i'm probably the only person in the world [speaker not understood]. everybody is paranoid, number one. [speaker not understood]. i couldn't believe it. anyway, thank you. >> thank you. >> [speaker not understood]. [laughter] >> yeah. >> [speaker not understood].

>> any other questions? again, my card is over there. the graffiti tracker card is over there. if you want to contact them, that's on you. if you want to just talk to me about them, you can do that as well. but anything i can do to help you combat graffiti, by all means, let's do it. if you guys find something that's more successful than what i've shown you or you have something you want to share with me, i love it. knowledge is power, man, anything to take them down. well, i need the microphone. i feel like oprah. now you don't have to use it any more. >> i was just wondering if you had done your own [speaker not understood] the commission. but then you've been [speaker not understood]. >> no, i can't even do half the

stuff they do. i actually tried in my backyard. i was doing some christmas project and i'm like, i'm going to try this. i'm like, i can't do it. it's all the pressure nozzle and all that stuff. no, i haven't done it on my own. and i wouldn't post anybody else's either. >> but that's why i wondered if you even got someone you knew, an artist. [speaker not understood]. >> we do have a guy. his name is ted walker. he is a published artist and he actually does that for us. so, we use that because then we can legally say we used our own person. >> do you have more than one person who will friend a person, like someone you're looking into so they don't get suspicion us? >> oh, yeah. >> [speaker not understood] was saying, don't [speaker not understood]. >> you're exactly right. once you start friending about 10 people -- because, again, don't do more than like 10 a day. try to get friends. let their friends request you and you say, accept, accept,

accept. accept everybody on there. because that's how it shows you have credibility. and then the other thing is you do have to put some pictures up. so, you know, some thing can be a little more abstract with it, but, again, don't use your own city. don't use a city because they're going to want to meet you, stuff like that. like i said, i use something up in wisconsin. i have a nice pretty little girl on my thing, other pretty girl pictures on there. that's what they like so that's how they get on there. and you just keep adding friends. let them do t. once you get 10 or so, and then 10 of their friends, 50 of their friends, a hundred of their friends, now you'll look like you're a tagger yourself. you're good to go. you get all that intel right there. you try to stay -- phoenix graffiti. * it's not broken.

>> do you write any flickr warrants? >> i don't use flickr. instagram is huge right now. >> they went away from flickr. >> they came and went pretty fast. i'm sure there's some still out there, but our kids in phoenix don't really use it. >> it was good because you can put in multiple tags. if you put in the right key words and put a space in between them you can figure out all kinds of crews, monikers, and where they're tagging to, what cities. >> yeah, i've never had to do flickr yet, but insta gram, facebook, youtube, those i have. any other questions? i hope something you got from me you can learn. if you didn't hear everything you wanted to hear, call me. like i said, i don't care what time it is. if it's about graffiti, like i said, i'm passionate about it. i'll help you out with anything. if you need to write a search

warrant i'll help you write the damn search warrant as long as you take someone off the street. good luck and be safe. (applause)c transit take stone 88. we are at mount davidson and it has the highest point of elevation in san francisco hitting a whopping 928 feet. mt. davidson provides a peaceful 30-acre owe ace and great hiking trails. the spectacular views offers a perfect place to watch the sunrise or suffer sun set with someone you louvre, wear sturdy shows to conquer the

stone trails and denly inventory advantage gives you hikers the sensation of being in a rain forest it's quite a hike to the top here at mount davidson but the view >> i introduce jennifer nelson, we introduced her before. a lot of you have talked to her already. (applause) >> same will be working with the speakers on the stage. i'd like to introduce jim with the san francisco graffiti advisory board. he will be the phil donahue of the crowd. hand you the microphone. >> i don't hand it over, i hold onto it. so, i believe the way we were planning on doing this, we had some written questions that we will be reading off and the panel will be answering them. i'll also be taking questions from the audience. so, if anybody has a question, feel free to raise your hand. allow me to get time to get over there to get to you.

should we start off with a red question or a question from the audience? >> i'll do the question. some of these questions -- is the mic on? okay. some of the questions are directed toward a specific speaker, others aren't. so, if it's directed towards a specific speaker, i'll ask you. if not, whoever can answer it [inaudible]. this is a general question so it's not geared towards any particular speaker. if anyone feels like chiming in, that would be great. how do you go about securing funding for the various graffiti programs? do you use grants, tax assessments, et cetera? anybody? >> i think i can take that. >> okay, ready. >> for anyone who depth -- didn't attend my session, i take kids who have committed

graffiti crimes, [speaker not understood] saturdays. i get a public grant from san francisco department of public works where we take kids out to graffiti hot spots, we paint over graffiti and they get a reduced fine and probation officers. this is done through a public grant. a very effective program. we have been able to turn a lot of kids around, restore justice. we get a lot of positive feedback from the community. a lot of other officers are happy to get the overtime. and as an officer, you're really able to facilitate the program well because you put on a lot of different hats. communicate with probation, communicate with traffic court judges, with [speaker not understood] community referral center. and with station personnel. so, you really are a good communicator and facilitator from a law enforcement background and the grant that we get through public works really allows us to run effectively.

>> great, thank you. >> [speaker not understood]. >> let me come on more r over here. >> okay. [speaker not understood]. i've gotten three years of knowledge that i almost feel like exploding [speaker not understood]. my priority is this. how am i going to get the police department -- how am i going to get city council? they're partially on board. some of our people at public works are here today. how can i convey to them that i'm not a nut or [speaker not understood]? how can they take this seriously and realizing graffiti is a crime and it requires money and it requires attention from the officials? not just from a graffiti side.

[speaker not understood]. can you give me some sort of -- what's a good direction? >> [speaker not understood]. >> [speaker not understood]. >> they started a task force 303