our neighbors both wanted a subsequent plan. we met with the applicant when their plans were under review and told them we wouldn't support their variance request. the property no longer needs a variance making this some sort of concession furthermore, we're not seeking concessions per say when we say that in our home we had a meeting and it ended abruptly. we took the only step that we

could and filed a c r. we state in contact with this sponsor and i understand what a difficult part the staff is in this situation thus when discussions break down the burden of proving substantial impact falls on us. i'm not an architect but the design is like whatnot to do. in a neighborhood a higher level of scrutiny is needed. >> are there speakers in favor of the dr? >> thank you all for your time today, i appreciate it.

i'm here to support this dr. as i know rental rates >> do you mind stating your name for the record? >> yes. my wife and i were happy to find a home here. we understand we might not been able to afford ail the awe meningitis. we found limited sun light in the front and back. there's no direct sun light in either bedroom

upon viewing the back end of the kitchen and living room we realized the sun was coming from the bonus room. we were going to read and entertain it would be in the sin light overlooking the city. based on the plans the deck will block a significant portion of light. while it's not beaming in on use it appraise a substantial openness we didn't have in our old highways. so with that said it becomes a very difficult situation to live in a home were not all places in the home being directly sun light.

thank you very much for your time. are there any other speakers in favor of the dr? >> hi. i'm jeff i'm not really in favor of the dr but i'm the neighbor on the exact other side. i want to thank you for your time and considerations of that. i thought it is important because if you looked at the prepared documents that we are in support of their project. a careful reading of it would indicate we're in support. i want you let you know we have concerns. our main certain is what could be done in the future with this project. the roof of the kitchen could

easily be gournd into a deck and if you turn it into a deck that would then block the sun into our units and that's our main problem with that. we asked 23 we could put a lien on the house to protect a deck from being built. our second southern is the proposed implication on the light corridor to our unit and it is going to have some impact we're the house directly to the west. that's part of living in san francisco we don't have is a huge issue with that. i want to close i've lived on

this block over 25 years and in the past 5 years there's been a lot of these kids and parents parking garage on the sidewalk. i've seen the neighborhoods kids it's a sweet block to live on. my main concerns is what this is doing to the character of the people on the block. it really makes we very sad to see what's happening in this situation. i'm not you guys can know how people feel about each other but it's a sad situation. robert has pointed out plans that would make them feel better about this project.

i iceberg you to look at the compromises. >> any other speakers in favor of the dr? >> i just with want to impress on you. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you stayed your name and we're not trying to stop their projects. we welcome everybody fixing their houses it's better for the block. it's not about winning we have no personal vendetta but we're looking for a comprised to the light problem. and they haven't been forthcoming at all about not

building on the property line. maybe the commission could over some sort of an idea. we want to impress on you this is a small item in our mind but this is very real for us. it took robert and i years to save up for our property. it's hard to see that someone could just all of a sudden want to change their home and it impacts everyone that were i feel like we need to be taken into consideration.

>> any other speakers? >> i'm going to have a power point so if you want to put it on here. thank you. i'm an architect and the clients architect for the project. greetings to the planning staff and general public. i think the neighbors for stating their concerns and hopefully, we'll find out what's fair and reasonable and what is extraordinary. let me just quickly into go through the power point real quick. the guidelines are very similar as the owner said. one this - when he get back to

the sketch model we'll show that we are stepped down and those he staircases are currently around the property line weized that. and also the notation that the desk is 5 feet from the property line. even though we use the averaging and you can see on a-2 i'm showing the red line as averaging between the two properties and that one itself we could have added a lot more mass to the proposal. our design only has 1.5 stories

it's one story below what's loud. there's not going to be a solid area here. this is figure 9. this is a counter situation looking at the dr requesters wall. the staircase currently is 3.6 inches going down and you can see that on a-3 and a-4 before your proposal is only going to be another 15 inches beyond that. there is right against the common property line. the lower windows on the

right-hand side is the only common window that faces the common property line and it's a little less than 5 feet. i believe that the man who talked about rental that's their living room. the sunroom i estimated would have 1 hundred and feet of glass. the major city visit is out towards the front and towards the left and i'll show that on one hand more on the property line itself. there's the staircase going down. the applicants has a latticework that only start there but goes down to the actual ground level and one more thing is that - let

me go back. that's a the elevation. to let me go back to the model showing you where the staircases kind of colloid and jeff hoses is on the west side. that's the the existing evaluation. this is a proposal. so my question to you as it comes down to the middle house steps down the mass but each one of those continues to step down. that's the corner view looking more towards the east. i want to say the dr requesters

windows on the east side is more windows there's on the lowest window we kind of blocked it's blocked by lattice and walkways. thank you >> are there any speakers in favor of the project sponsor? >> good afternoon commissioners aim danny resided in 20 street. i really appreciate your time in this matter. we've been working on this project we've changed some of the plans and we want to be reasonable and we don't feel this as any significant impact

on any of the neighbors. i'd like to correct the statement our property is approximately 1 seven hundred square feet and in the three dimensional drawings i get a sense of the size of the buildings that both buildings on either side are significantly larger than our home and we're requesting an addition to our home of 25 hundred square feet. we've been good neighborhoods we're going to remove some of the trees along the property line and i just want to continue to have good neighborhood relationships with my neighbors. we do have a number of neighbors in the neighborhood signing

letters supporting our project and we hope to move forward. and any additional speakers in support of the project. dr requester you have a 2 minute rebuttal and we're not concerned about the mass of the promise we're concerned about the faculties on the property line. a 5 feet set back seems reasonable and they can increase the mass. the architect points out that the only common window is set back 5 feet we're simple asking for something equalable. we don't dispute that the rear

of our house gets little light where we're trying to preserve what little light they receive. if you look at the footprints of the house you can see the rear walls are all lined and they're all the same number of steroids. it doesn't reflect the basement space it's. - people can live in any size home they want to live in just set it off 5 feet to preserve light. please notes the addressed and - none of those people can even

see the impacted area the project so i hard will i think it's relevant what their thoughts are and they make no mention of the neighbors that have an issue with that. they design a project we have problems with the project and this is why we find you here today and we hope that you'll find our 5 feet back reasonable >> two minute rebuttal. >> i'm dan again. we actually well, first of all, the mass of the house it doesn't

include the actinic but frankly the feasibility of this project if we have to set it back 5 feet that makes the project infaebsable it's just not feasible i don't know how else to describe that. there's another point i wanted to make in rebuttal to this? >> do you want to say something? >> oh, yes since i have another mini really want to point out that we did reach out to them and get our architect in looking and designing other ideas and we were told that if we were to go

into their property they would consider it trespassing. again we want to stay reasonable we want this to be - would don't think it's egregious proposal to change our highways so. i appreciate your help with this >> thank you. the public hearing is closed and opened up to commissioners. >> i have a quick question for the dr requester. the existing situation under existing conditions is that your house at the rear where we're talking about is set back from the property line approximately 5 feet or so. and currently the project sponsor house is built on the

property line out to the present rear wall. so the proposal - yeah, well the drawings are wrong >> that's the way those drawings show it arrest part of the their house that extends back is a kitchen pop out. that extends approximately, six feet past the shared rear wall and is on the property line. the new project would add 5 feet to that being a total of 11 feet >> so your request in terms of a 5 foot set back extends from where to where. >> only the new construction. >> so that's approximately 5 feet by 5 feet and again.

>> we're not trying to reduce the scale you can reconvene finger it. it's just 5 feet off >> thank you. >> well, i have a suggestion question for staff. there is one of our reverend here it shows a diagonal line so it seems like it would be possible for project to take their entire rear anti it looks like to be another 3 feet. without it being unextinct because of the distance it goes out into the rear >> that's correct they do have the it option to go a little bit

deeper. >> and i'm guessing that could be more. >> my suggestion would be to go deeper instead of going right up against the wall or compromise it. maybe they won't get the full 5 feet but if we take a couple of feet toward the requesters then i can pick that up by the deck area or the deck can go out further. but that would be my session because i think it probably will have a little bit of an impact p there on that lower unit and you're going to end up at the same plays perhaps having more

square feet. you'd have an additional that looks like possibly more like i don't know if this is around ten feet where it steps into the deck or maybe even more if you make it

>> they are talking about four feet, and 17 foot something. and that is four feet and that is four feet, that is... >> okay, i am more concerned with the other issue and that will be extending your main floor back further or your kitchen addition back and leaving a little bit off the side. >> the other question that i would like is set the forward space on the inside even though we might want to file the exterior with many different options and one of the functions is that other and so

when you are talking about the space, and then, that is the house, and how is it going to move to that side, and again, the balance is reasonable verses extraordinary and exceptional. >> i appreciate your comments. and i notch out is not that unusual, i see a lot of houses towards the rear that are not as wide as they are in other places. commissioner sugaya? >> isn't it reasonable to have a set back. i mean there is a huge set back on the other side and it seems to be a little more equity if they were building back, but

that would be some kind of, you know, gesture, our good neighbor gesture and so their rear portion is also set back from the property line. i know that it is a judgment call. and it is easier to push the house to the left. >> it is not unreasonable, we look at each one. and there is factors that you have to weigh in. and the example of the dr filers deck is that it extends beyond and in essence leads to the creation of this light by extending their wall back and sort of closing that area in so in a way that could make an argument that they are creating the situation for the windows that may face out