ever. wax jeff, i am going to ask this. the cost of living in the city's going up. while san francisco still attracts many young lgbt people, being able to afford living here is getting harder and harder. i like generalize this question on my own, extending it to just about everyone. what can be done to keep this city attractive and affordable to the young and creative? a lot of people are coming here to have alternative lifestyles all over the map. they come here because the city is not necessarily their job. they will come here even without a job. they do not have a lot of money. as an operator, how do you answer this? >> it depends on what you're doing.

headline talent is very expensive. you put your budget together and you see which can charge for a ticket. as i have the benefit of the venue over with promoters because i do not need to make money at the door, i can look at something and say -- i will be making this much, but i do not have to. i want to break even at the door. that lets me keep the ticket price down. frequently, and we put that out through facebook and a variety of social media outlets. people have the opportunity to get in for free. a if people want to work harder and get out earlier, tune in to calx, they can get in frequently

for free. it is a limited amount of tickets, but if in the event starts at 9:30, most people in this town to not start going out until 11:30. at 9:30 it would be half the reason last. >> anyone else want to answer? >> i would echo the sentiment as far as young people coming to need options. even though it is not my main thing, the 18 to 21 crowd definitely has more limited options. i just hope that we as a night life industry can continue to keep them in mind. educate them to the proper behavior. i think that that is done with people who are in settings that are over 21 as well.

>> i agree with you. i think that we penalize anyone over the age of 21 and get in trouble in the summer, when there is no school. they need a place to go to express themselves. the next question, for the police, with the success of aou, it is a central place where conditions are put on alcohol licenses. does the police department possibly see a central location for education permits? >> i leave that as long as we can centralize these activities and tasks, getting them to go through one formal is much better for all of us. it is much easier to get a handle on what is going on. aou, we are doing really well

with that. we will look into that and have it going through direct. >> so, we used all of these out. does anyone else have a question? we have about five more minutes before we take a break. i know the you are tired. please, ask and be polite. robbie? [laughter] >> hello. this is a question for all the panelists. given that we now have an entertainment commission, according to the economic impact study, in the last three years to four years, we have lost the north beach jazz fest. power to the peace canceled for the second year in a row. and we lost the love fest.

is outdoor entertainment, those sort of events, is there a crisis there that we are collectively ignoring? what can be done to fix it? thank you. [laughter] [applause] >> i will answer that. sure. i think that each event is as strong as the people behind it, quite frankly. what we can do, obviously, breaking out, we can do some that -- some best practices. some people have been adamant about wanting to work with other groups. some groups have not wanted to work with us. some groups are bigger than us. we might be stealing their intellectual property. we do not feel that way. we have openly shared the best practices. i think that having those tools is one part.

having good people behind it is another. from year to year thinking through how of the event will sustain itself is important. frankly, i think that some of those events moved away because there were opportunities better than what san francisco was offering. we can talk to how -- talk about how to award events that are doing well. financially, etc. we should try to look at ways to reduce the costs. >> can i jump in? i did not mention that i was a deejay, because that is not newsworthy, but i am part of the team that puts that on. to clarify, we moved to oakland last year because we really did not feel welcome in san

francisco. the hurdles put in front of us to do our event were so extensive, it became impossible to produce a successful the event. sadly, that happened again this year. hopefully we can come back next year. thanks for bringing a cup. it is a problem. the impact of the loss of these events is a loss for san francisco culture and our economy. it will take the right perspective of leadership from the mayor's office to make those events be able to happen. >> [unintelligible] [applause] >> i am very sorry that we lost some of these events. i'm sure they added to cultural diversity. i do know that looking at the board, there are 280 events in a

given year. street fairs, hip-hop, promotional events. there is only so much that we can do. we have to make sure that every event has enough personnel to keep it safe. be it the security plan, officers, or police officers. that is one thing i failed to mention earlier. paramount to training for an event that has enough people to prevent anything disastrous from occurring, you never know what can be prevented, because you never know what you can stop from happening. you never know if people have enough resources to make sure they do not have a problem. >> down to the last few questions, we are running out of time.

>> let's see how quick we can get to it. >> ok. >> we will be really fast. i commend the police department. for those of us in the entertainment industry, we have long suffered under this process. one is the allocation program. when will we have centralized 10b dissemination and when will there be an appeals process that when you make your application you are giving -- even your answer and then you have an opportunity for some type of discussion or appeal on the number. currently, that does not exist. it puts promoters in a position where you bring in a cashier's check for this amount or your liquor permit will be pulled. that is not the way we should be treating these. >> we do have a centralized

program that just started up. it is under the leadership acting category. right now it is across from my office. i can see the dust coming in. we have identified them. that will happen within the next few weeks. the appeals process, i will be honest, i do not know if we have one, but it is a good idea. >> thank you. can i make a comment about the10 10b centralization? be careful what you wish for. let me explain one of the potential things that is bad that could come out of it. we have a particularly good relationship with one of the officers at southern station. i would like to make sure that she continues to be our go i.t.

at the last event there was no violence, not even an ambulance. if you were an event of a certain size, you would have so many officers. not necessarily something centralized that treats individual officers as entirely interchangeable, because they are not. this is a lesbian officer that knows our community and works very well. i have never had a better relationship with asset pd, because of her. >> i promise you that if you make that request, it will be honored.

is there anyone here from park in iraq? -- park and irrec bella >> they were invited. -- rec ? what they were invited. >> i went to a neighborhood meeting about hardly strictly bluegrass. the open of the meeting was that she had not get -- not got rid of all the issues in the park, but that she was trying. so. i wanted to put that out there. [applause] >> i just also wanted to say that they have a lot of buildings open to all ages. when i was a kid growing up in

new york, and we used to -- there is a statement, saving my ass. [laughter] if there is a question i hope you do not look at it as a challenge. i think it is a feeling. there are quite a few events in the park. it is really about managing them and making sure that your outreach is good. i would like to work together, wherever you are. i want to thank our panelists. i hope that you will as well. [applause]

i hope that that gave you some food for thought, the idea here about things that we will talk about in the breakouts. we have got some food and beverage out there. i know that we have drinks, cookies, even sandwiches. it should be in room a, one of our breakout sessions. take this opportunity to use the west -- the restaurant and find your own way. thank you. -- rest room and find your own way. thank you.