the college recruiter and them taking,a way their scholarship or anything like that. it's also looking at trainings for law enforcement officers -- when i go to a school and has a knife and on the honor role and never had any problems so it would be easy -- well let's cite you for possession for the knife and you will get suspended and have consequences and on the way, and you start asking questions and what is going on? what is behind this? i am being threatened and i was are withed about my safety and there is a bullying issue and i brought a knife to school because i am scared what is going to happen on the way home, so you have to look past just what is going on with the initial "what do you have?" and dig deeper, and it's just some tools and some help, but law enforcement can be

involved with. >> and that's what we're hearing too with facebook when things come up in facebook for example or instagram or twitter and the tip of the iceberg. what you see is not what you get. it might actually be somebody victimized retaliating or against or reacting to something that happened off line or at school. do you have examples of how bullyings and targets can change hats? >> with that example he went from a prerp prerp traitor to a item in the same conversation. we get the uncomfortable nobody wants to deal with situations. i know that nobody wants to look at a kids having naked pictures of other kids and it's

something that elephant in the room. i don't want that. that doesn't happen at my school. i didn't see their phone. i didn't see any of that, but you need to take hold of that and own it and get that out there and make the difference and change the behavior and make it serious and when law enforcement -- we don't have a lot of laws in place. i say all the time "it's not illegal to be mean to each other" and i tell that to adults and i can't tell you government officials "i have free speech. i can say what i want" and they have good arguments. i will give them that but you need to show them -- and law enforcement needs to show them it's not okay and we take it seriously and i do counseling for issues that originate at school and social media, whatever it is but as part the solution and we are

standing up together and saying it's not okay. >> and holly this is no longer a local program, correct? >> it's amazing the response and law enforcement and everybody is looking for tools and answers to get some solutions and so we took it to washington dc earlier in the summer, so we have been working with maryland and virginia and all over california and hopefully washington soon and really excited to get everybody interested with the information. >> somebody asked how do you implement a restorative justice program? do you have that answer. >> that's a good question and it's definitely county specific in california they noticed because i have done training in this program in different counties and i always invite the local da and the probation department and there are

nuisances in every state and county and everyone wants to help. no one says no. they ask what they need to do to get on board and everybody is making it work and ways of it fitting in their system. >> there are a number of definitions of restorative justice i noticed and going to bullying prevention conversations in the country. some of them areis bad on native american tribal practices and i remember one teacher of restorative justice that did training in a lot of schools and talking about how there was a child who had offended another child. i guess some kind of social aggression problem and they created a circle of justice where each party brings, both the victim and the offender bring in people close to them and the offender was asked "okay who do you want to bring in

with you" and he was a foster child just new to his latest set of foster parents and didn't know them very well and wasn't comfortable with bringing them in. didn't really know or trust anybody and that is another thing. i think we need to define trust for kids. they're not sure what that means and finally lee and i can get you information about his program. i can't remember his last name now. he finally asked the child is there any adult at school that knows your name? and he said "yeah the janitor". only the janitor knew his name and we called the janitor and asked will you sit with the child in the center? and he said yesterday. absolutely. he loved that boy and there was real resolution as a result of

that circle of restorative justice. there are amazing programs to look into if your school is interested. we have six minutes -- if that, right bosss? so if anybody has any questions for these amazing people in si verse group of fields the floor is open to you. >> [inaudible] >> did you just search right now. >> [inaudible] >> i didn't say this -- do not share it widely because you can't yet. >> you can eventually. >> i wanted to give everyone a sneak peak. we're going to launch the video in october so this was just for your eyes only. that camera over there -- do not broadcast that or else

my friends back at facebook will be really mad at me, but on october 1 we will launch it and i will make sure that you get it. i think it's a great video and i want everyone to see it. >> (inaudible). >> thanks for bringing that up. i forgot to put the disclaimer on that it's for your eyes only. >> [inaudible] >> question over here? >> a little bit of a question, a little bit of a comment -- well, more of a comment. first i want to say that i am excited that law enforcements and nonprofits and da's are in the room. a lot of conversations sound promises to the future. one of the concerns i had coming in and not to take away from bullying as the target of the conversation but one of the concerns is discipline of individuals and bringing up the restorative

justice model earlier and in california and the country and vast disparities from people suspended and expelled from schools and african-american base and a teenos and often expelled or suspended for things that would typically not merit that type of reaction from administration and authorities at the very least, so in the last panel and this panel i was thinking about social and emotional learning and i see that as a double entand ra. i think it's also a negative thing and this is why. there is a lot of social and emotional learning going on in these schools and especially around the group of individuals suspended and expelled at alarming rates and things of lesser things and goes back to messaging. what type of messaging situations are we

imparting on these kids that get suspended for a couple of days and feel guilty or don't have the opportunity to express themselves and for the social emotional training they didn't receive up to that point? and don't know how to deal with it and get in trouble for reacting the way the culture decides is non conforming so i say that to say this and i like the comments and i don't find myself often agreeing with district attorneys but i like the last comments and i would regurgitate some of the comments for us to think about going forward and not necessarily having an agenda but what we all want, so they went something like this in terms of what we can do. i don't like it when people are taken advantage of. social justice -- getting

education is a social justice issue. we don't want kids to feel they can't go to school or go home. we want other's worth intact and appreciate the worth. justice is a public face of love and 60% of kids who are discipline read likely to drop out of school, so if we attach the same concerns that we have for all of the students and comparing with the evidence base data that suggests there are a lairming rates of suspensions and explullions and how does that push the conversation or do other things that we are innovative with and coming up with real solutions? not just to bullying but all of the social factors that affect students and adults and there are several adults that need training as well. that's my point. >> yeah. actually the work place bullying institute which has good data i am told and

found that 35% of american employees say that they have been bullied in the work place. that is about double over the figure for kids so this is not a kid problem, but so are you asking if there should be programs and campaigns aimed at minority students as a different kind of solution? and we can i can ask you of that first and then to the panel. >> in coming up with ways in we handle perceived discipline situations i think there are better policies than responding like one of the district attorney's said and hard first and soft after. the thing is not just district attorneys which is a much later process so they can kind of be absolved of

the immediate response -- >> and called in as a last resort. >> exactly but there are school police and administrators that operate under the hard first mentality and in my opinion as an individual person it seems unfortunate, and so i only pose these things because i don't see them talked a lot in public forums or in she's situations and talking about race and these things and being uncomfortable and challenging the seed in the conversations, in the back of our minds with these conversations i see it as important. i don't have all the solutions and answers but i think it's important to add that perspective to the conversation. >> point well taken. >> i have the answer. >> okay. alice has the answer. >> i don't mean to be facetious and worked as a teacher and

nonprofit organizationses, both in media and out and now for a for profit company if we spent as much money and time as training teachers as i became a teacher i think my big skill coming out i went to nyu and bachelor's in elementary ed. i could thread a projector with the best of them and my career in the 70's and in the last panel "if you had all the money what would you invest in?" . i would invest in education and we're not investing in the future of the children and the in the country and the global future of our world and i agree absolutely with everything you said. we're short changing our kids and not giving teachers the resources. there is mold in the teacher's work room. if i

worked in the building that many children go to school in i wouldn't go to work either and in answer to your question there is a priority here about education that's not quite right. >> and while we're earmarking money i would totally support that and i feel that we should train teachers in digital media. you can't teach cooking out a kitchen, so we need to bring digital media into the classroom so people can practice in the environments they're in all the time outside of school. >> and i would say that having listened to the word "media literacy" as far as back when i was carrying 3-inch quarter cassettes years ago and it was a great job. it really was. to teach media and digital

literacy out of context is a fool's error and we have the boring curriculums in the world and teaching it out of the context. >> we have to stop blocking. >> yeah. i don't know. >> somebody -- okay. >> teachable moment. >> i hear everybody talk about -- >> thank you. >> yeah. so i have learned the phrase "teachable moment" since becoming a resource officer and i try to incorp rat that with a discipline situation and i try to use the teachable moment with the parents as well so you can move forward all together instead of just making everybody upset. >> i have some comments actually responding to what you asked about, the zero tolerance and different proposallity. one of

my colleague and looked at this across the last 15 years and noticed a trend what we called "net widening and net deepening" and more behaviors that fall under expulsion and suspending and when talking to administrators and their policies he found it helpful to speak of these terms in termses of behaviors and rather than saying we're criminalizing you and the think language is also important and i want to thank you for bringing up that point. it's something that i really advocate for and our caution to use zero tolerance and exclusionary discipline policies and also i teach teachers at san jose state and hundred students who are future teachers. >> can they do a projector? >> no. my teacher did, but

again using social media, integrating all of the areas is so important for the prevention. thank you for that focus too and i think that gentleman has comments. >> i was going to follow up in the conversation with digital media or literacy needed within the educational system. we are still experiencing digital divide and access and just the one you speak of recently officer when you mention the generations and investigators not engaged with this media and no don't know my book or face space and when you have to look at youth culture. we talk about texting and sexing and omg and i didn't text anything to you. i spoke to and part of the

language and how they engage so until we look at the culture of young people and how do we impact today's 20th century media culture we can't make a huge impact in regards to bullying or electronic aggression or whatever name we want to place on it and is affecting the students and i am excited you're addressing this issue and it's a crucial time for this generation and if we don't take serious this conversation today and action tomorrow we will see more and more issues arise. [applause] >> and i'm going to cap it up and i totally agree with that and one of the resources i want you to point is out is the family institute on line and platform for good a couple days ago. anne was there for the launch in dc and the goal of this whole thing is connect parents, educators and teens together to talk about both the

eat your peas and how you stay a digital citizen and do the whole thing and i encourage everybody to check that out and i think that's the type of resource that will get us to where we need to go. it's called a "platform for good .org" and part of the family institute. >> yay. i think that's the way to cap it off really. let's lose the fear. let's bring -- it's safety, risk prevention, online risk prevention, whatever you want to call is is not the goal. it's important but not the goal. it's the mean to the end and the end is full safe effective successful engagement in participatory media and culture and society. this is a

participatory medium that we're talking about in a network world. we're are in this environment and network participatory environment and our students need the tools. they need social emotional learning is a key tool and technical and literacy and media is behavioral so this has just been a fantastic day. thanks to all for coming and thank you everybody. i just want to share one piece of data which i don't understand completely. maybe our friend from facebook can explain, his twitter colleagues what they do. a hash tag was created and "stop bullying sf barb and hash tag and generated

3 million personal impressions and 1.3 million followers within the last 24 hours. [applause] isn't that incredible? we talked about some of the dangers in social media today and i guess that's part of the beauty of social media and the video is part of that as well, so on behalf of all the childrens and families and parents and communities in the district i want to thank everybody for coming for all the work that you do. i feel optimistic in all of work that you do. thank you and go forth and do great work.