by piece by making each place accountable for what they can deal with. but, i think that they bring up good points and that tasks us with trying to improve the situations. >> did you say that there were noise concerns along this block or with this particular venue? >> any time that you have people that are going to be intoxicated and i am going to go out for a smoke and people don't understand how the voices carry next to a hotel. there are noise concerns and when people are drunk, they don't think that their voices carry. well they do. especially with the street. >> pizza parlors are a problem because they pour people out on the street and they are also a problem because people will go out and smoke. if feels a little bit punitive

over all. i don't know. that is what the commission is here to do. >> i want to be sure that the people are fair and the neighbors are satisfied too. but, it is a compounded issue and i don't know that you want to necessarily strike one, particular business over another. so that is what i want to say. >> i understand that and i understand that, you are dealing with, and the commission, that is not their job. it is not the police department's job either. it is not to shut the businesses down, but we have to answer the calls. we have to answer the noise complaints and viet lense complaints, and so, when we have an applicant, that comes up, we try to think, how do we make this as safe as possible? it would be great if i came in here and said give them whatever they want and we will see you later and i will be out of here by 6:30. that is not the reality and i have to deal with working with the community and the crime victims and working with the clubs and if we see a situation

where we can make it better to have the community, and the businesses and the people coming out here co-exist that is what i am going to try to do. >> do you remember that you talked to us about issues around silencing incidents? do you talk to us about litter because it is a violation of the good neighbor policy. do you talk to us about blocking sidewalks? do you let the submission know when there are violations of those items in the good neighbor policy? >> when i come up, i try not to spend, you know. >> i don't mean here, i mean in a... let's say, in the regular report to our commission saying monday or tuesday, whenever you contact our commission about stuff. >> usually those are our specific documents about complaints. now, if let's say that i get an e-mail and if i get a complaint that if someone is talking

about urinating next to the club, could you write me an e-mail and i could have something to forward to the entertainment commission so that you could see it. >> thank you. >> any other questions? >> thank you, officer. >> i would like to open the floor to public comment. for jtu cafe, 582 sutter street. >> good evening. >> good afternoon, commissioners, my name is mccar they are and i have been life ng that neighborhood between them up on bush street on over 30-some odd years and i have been known the officer from the time that i arrived here in san francisco. and i would like to say some that things and i was listening about the pizza parlor and the hours and the extended hours and at these times i want everybody to make a living and try to get along with their neighbors. but officer methias will tell you for himself, this year

alone, we have had so much crime in that area, and it is not happening at 10, 11, 12, 1, 2, or 3:00 a.m. in the morning, it is happening between 5:00 and 6:30 a.m. in the morning, when it is daylight outside and everybody is going to work. you know, i am very, very concerned about these businesses, you know, extending their hours you know like the bars close up at two, in new york where we live at, they closed at 4:00 a.m. that was years ago. >> and i think that oh, lord here we go again and i hope not. and i would love to see the people enjoy theirself and go out and have a good time. and come out to eat a good meal but we are not looking at that any more. and we could go out and do

things like this. i myself, no, and i welcome into the neighborhood and he fixes food for me and the ups and the people up and down, and i am still sending him business, and i call calls on sunday and. i see want to see it by 12:30 or 1:00 a.m. in the morning and all that i ask is that i did not get a chance to talk to johnny. i left from work today, to get here, to see johnny. i want johnny to know that we welcome in to the neighbor but seven days a week open to 6:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. in the morning, i really don't think so. we had one murder up there in the last 90 days and i don't know if the other young lady passed or not. and i go out of town once a month and i have to walk down that hill.

i am so afraid. and i just walk away down to the building to get to the amtrak to go for this citizen and i take the care now. so i am asking you to look at this very closely so that the neighborhood will not get hurt. thank you. >> my name is robert garcia and you received a letter late today but it looks like... but

we just have so much violence, and i have been in this neighborhood since i got out of the army in 1963 and it has never been like this. >> this is a residential commercial. and also the downtown campus for the san francisco university. and the permit to stay open to 6:00 a.m. catering to the car and the club patrons will interfere with the enjoyment of the residents of their homes and this is also a cafe open all night will create a policing problem. and we have a problem with the clubs and bars in this area, a man was stabbed to death in the parking lot across the street.. that was a beer bottle incident. and a man was hit in there and in the head with a beer bottle

and a young man was stabbed across the street in the parking lot that you are talking about. this was, another stabbing in front of the sugar cafe and this has to do with the security guards pushing the combat ants out on to the street where there is no security. and this man was stabbed across the street in the parking lot next to the student housing. in the past few years we have seen the nine people shot at the sutter club and a man three months away from finishing law school was working late night at a pizza parlor went outside to smoke and was stabbed to death by a woman who was released from prison for stabbing another man. >> this is absolutely ridiculous. the young man, from arkansas,

21 years old. and this was on the 600 block of sutter street and another club in the area. had an incident of people breaking glasses. they don't bring in guns and so forth and then they used the drinking vessels as weapons and two people were cut in there. at the vessels, now this was sold to us at one of the best in the system, 200 people rioted in there and took off their belts and beat each other and emptied out on to union square and this is our neighborhood and what we see. the former owners of this restaurant closed at 10 p.m. to issue an extended use permit to this would be a change of use, we do not need more problems late night in this neighborhood. we have a party buses parking on the other side of union square, and the students from all over the bay area and they walked right across our

neighborhood over to polk street and then, two or three or four clock in the morning they coming back raising hell and our neighborhood is under attack and we really need help here and we don't need the other venues staying open late at night. >> thank you very much >> is there any other public comment? >> my name is michael nolty and i am the executive director of the alliance for a better district six, could you do the overhead? i would like to bring a face for the meeting since he is not here he was at our meeting and he won a door prize, i want to point out the smile on his face, he greets people, when i actually did a visit when he

was applying for this permit and i actually made sure that he put his posting up when i went there. he put the posting up. so, you know, and i saw his place, you know, it is a small place. you know? and he is a small business owner. and the thing is, you know, we can't have every business owner be responsible for every crime and everything that happens in the neighborhood. you know, i can hear and i can say that there is all kinds of problems that happen. and in any community, and blame it on one business, but that is not the reality here. the reality is that he has only been in business for a year or so. and he is trying to make a difference. he has a family to support and he has employees and he is investing into the business to fix the security cameras and told us the things that he wants to do. unlike some of the other businesses that we have come to

our organization, to present, he has a security plan, he made commitments. and we asked him quite a few questions. you know, the thing is that he is sincere. and you know, that is what you want to look at in a business owner, is sincerety and responsible and somebody who also respects the neighborhood. and when i was actually at the restaurant, there were customers saying, give this guy his permit. they did not know who i was, they just said give him his permit. so you know and that was not being prompted by anybody. so, and that could have been out of towners and i don't know, so, you know, it is important that as he said earlier in this meeting about harm reduction, you have to have businesses that provide venues, at night. and so that people can eat.

so, this is just along those lines. so thank you. >> thank you very much. >> is there any other public comment? >> commissioners? my name is stephen, ocaslato knowing that activism is alive and well in the district which should be applauded, i took it upon myself to canvas the area, and i did notice that there was another establishment that is lory's diner on the corner of powell and sutter and they were opened for 24 hours for quite some time with no incidents and no reports, but when they heard about some of the other establishments, being asked for compliance issues, they took it upon themselves to apply and they of course will be coming for this commission in the near future, but in other words, after visiting the drake hotel

and the berry, the guys out front and the hotel at the crown plaza, right next door to this establishment is a permitted place called cantina. there are plenty of people from the academy of art who have dormitories in the area. everybody that i came in contact with, mostly youngsters said you know what? this it provides a nice alternative to buy the pizza by the slice and we would like more sustenances. omelets and things of that nature and hamburger in a nice menu with the reasonable price points where you can sit down. okay? and we also advised the applicant not to have any tables and chairs while the hours was so that we could insure that the people were inside. we also advised the applicant to get professional security, which he does have, it will be greater based security which will monitor the establishment.

i am really encouraged that he is going to take it upon himself to offer a nice place like this. and give people an alternative other than maybe some fast food that is in the area that is offered late and i really think that it is going to provide more eyes and ears, and the safe guards are in place. so, i don't want to speculate on what could happen or what might happen, and would happen down the block, you know? down the things and the bottom line is he has followed all the requirements that the city has asked and he followed all of the codes that the city asked and he has done extensive out reach as you can see and at the end of the year to get the permit. and move forward and if there is an incident we will deal with it at that time. >> thank you very much. >> any other public comment? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. >> i have a question, and is

(inaudible) use prohibited in this area? the answer is no. commissioners, it is of my opinion that crime tends to be reduced the more activity there is on the street. with tons of data to that end where every. you know the city and the cities as well. and i am open for the motion, please? >> i had a question. >> go for it. >> it was about the menu, is it a full menu that is being offered for the late night hours. i believe that the application there will be a limited night menu. >> that is a good question. we will offer a limited menu but there will be basics on there. we want to still have more than pizza by the slice per se, we will have omelets and eggs and there will be a burger on there. what you want to offer is a

nice experience and you want the food to come out fast p when they arrived you don't want them waiting. >> you don't want it to wait 20 minutes to prepare. >> does that answer your question? >> yes. >> any other discussion in >> okay. >> and i think that it is still. i think that it is fixed to 4:00 >> okay. >> originally they had applied for 24 hours and then to 6:00 and through the negotiations through central station they came to a compromise. >> is that 7 days a week? >> fridays and saturdays. >> fridays and saturdays only? until 4:00 >> okay. and i move to approve this to 4:00 striking number 3 in the police conditions. and i believe that 7 they said was already taken care of. >> that is fine. >> we have a motion, do we have a second? >> second. >> we have a motion and a

second. >> is there any further discussion in >> yeah. i just wanted to say that the crime in this area, it is obviously a problem, however i do believe that more people on the street. more options to go to. is going to help improve this especially when you have an owner who is being this responsible. so i hope that you can approve this. >> commissioner taumeopenu? commissioner tan. >> aye. >> lee >> aye. >> akers >> aye. >> joseph. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> joseph. aye. >> 6 e, timothy eicher. doing business as deasu. x.

2344-48 market. he aproposing a cocktail lounge and dance bar he is recognizing the notice and security issues that have been problems in the past. sorry. and he is working to address those issues with sound proving and programming. the mission station has submitted a list of conditions and like many recent applications there is a mention of security cameras. and if you notice that if the visual recordings exist, i want to bring it to your attention because it is different than what we have seen before. >> i want to interrupt. are the item that i put at the end of the agenda, which was commissioners, which was originally item number four, which was review and change the conditions for brick and mortar and we are waiting for vage to come. he has texted and he will not be able to attend.

and i don't know if it is proper that we enter interrupt that we vote to continue it to another time. >> i don't think that it is... is it proper to put this aside since we have called it in timothy? so that we can vote on whether or not we can continue brick and mortar? >> i think that you can do whatever you like just as long it is clear about what it is you are going. >> if the commission is in agreement with you taking a pause on item six to take an action on 4, you are in the rights to do it. >> the attorney for brick and mortar is here, as well as one of the principles that have been sitting here and vage is not going to be able to come here tonight. his wife had an accident and so he is not going to be able to attend.

and so, there is a request to continue this to the next meeting. >> i would like to have them and make a motion to continue to put aside item 6 e, for the purpose of making this motion to continue item 4 brick and mortar to the next meeting. is there a motion? >> and i will second that. >> i will too. >> okay. >> is there any? >> to continue. >> any public comment on the continuance of brick and mortar to the next meeting? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner tan, on the question. >> aye. >> lee? >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> perez? >> aye. >> akers? >> aye. >> joseph? >> aye. >> sorry about that. he just texted me. >> okay. >> i would like to recall, i have to start all over again, i will have to recall item 6 e,

timothy eicher doing business as beaux. >> proposing a combination cocktail lounge and dance bar. he recognizes all of the problems that had occurred in previous incarnations of this location. and so he is working to address those issues with sound proofing and some strategic programming and there are a list of conditions that have been submitted by mission station. and so, after that he can just kind of take it away. >> hi. good evening, executive director cain, commissioners, i am tim eicher and this is my partner jeff. let me give you a little bit of history, this venue has been a bar for seven years and throughout the majority of that time it was the site of the first gay bar in the castro and in the 90s it was a popular bar

the detour and most recently it was trigger which was unfortunately a venue that had problems in the neighborhood. and we have done significant community out reach on this project. in fact we had to seriously think about whether we wanted to do this project given the history of trigger. and everything that we have done about this project has been within an awareness of the problems that trigger posed in the neighborhood. and everything about our design has been geared towards not repeating those mistakes and coming up with something very new and very different. our community out reach started back in december. we have met, with dtna the neighborhood association and the valley neighborhood association and others. we have very nice letter of support from eband a which is if you know the history of trigger what a accomplishment that is. we had support from munsi and

have done sound tests and we really instructed them to come up with like a plan that they can guarantee us will solve this sound problem. we did not want to skim p on it, we wanted to solve it. we will be putting a significant amount of sound prove proofing on the roof of the building which was the main source of problem and we will also be reconfiguring one of the exits so that there is a 90 degree turn so that the sound can go straight out. let's see, we also are enclosing a smoking patio and putting in a sound system that is designed to be the right size sound system for that venue. one of the problems with trigger was that the sound system was really oversized and kind of over powered the space. on the design, and so i would intend to show you a little bit of a visual. there was a smoking patio on the front and that is going to be enclosed and a lounge area along market street th. line. there, it is a lot of lounge

seating all around and one of the keepings that we plan to do is to be able to separate the space. is what these lines here indicate. and we want the venue to be able to be the right size for the right night. and we will be able to have a cocktail lounge on certain nights of the week and then on, you know, nights like friday and saturday, it opens up and it is a dance bar with a dance floor and a wonderful music and one of the key changes about this venue is that it can be a small and more intimate and a warm comfortable and inviting cocktail lounge, when you know like on a monday night and then can be a dance bar on weekends. we are really looking carefully at the music that we are selecting because we want to make sure that we are not appealing to a problem crowd. we will have some amount of live entertainment.

think of more like caboret shows, if people are familiar with josie's caboret, and we would like to bring some of the entertainment that was at josie's into this venue. and the castro has a lot of places that can have live entertainment. but it tends to be either really small spaces or there is the cafe is huge and i think that this will be a nice medium sized spot in the castro where we can have the live entertainment that is larger than (inaudible) could do but not, you know, like a huge night clubs south of market. >> now we have done a lot of work on the security plan and we will have guard cards and the lead training. we will utilize parole special for dealing with the incident response as well as on special events, and we will use electronic id checking and have a camera system with an hd camera at least one at the door and save that for 30 days.

we actually have been speaking with mission station about working to standardize security procedures across all four of our bars and hopefully can start coaxing the other venues to follow suit and it would be nice to standardize that and we are excited about that process. just one comment on the conditions, i did meet with the mission station last thursday. and they did not have the conditions prepared at that time. so i have not seen them. so i would just respectfully ask if i could see them. >> and i apologize for that, that is my fault for not getting this earlier. >> i think that is everything that i had to say. >> great, i have some questions. >> what are you using to divide up the room to be different things is brilliant. but what you are using to divide it up?

>> right now, the design is to have actually... >> you are prepared. >> it is actually a wooden balls that are going to be painted probably metallic and reflect, that are going to be hung by wire and they will be, and it can be kind of a pixilated effect and you can sort of see through there but not completely. that is what the designers come up with. we have concerns about... >> i know. involved in the gay bar. i am sorry. yes, that is the design. >> so you are not using a solid wall. >> no. >> it will be something that will go and down like a shade >> probably slide to the side. >> like a curtain? >> yes. >> we have concerns about how

durable that will be and so we are working on the kinks of that design. but we are hoping that design will work. help me see that you are thinking about doing live shows? >> yes, i am sorry if i am not reading your drawings well where is the stage, and is there a permanent stage? >> behind the bar. >> the stage is next to the dance bar. >> is it attached to the bar? >> it is not permanently attached. we may go with something that is removable but right now the design is to always be there. >> just to be clear, you are attaching the stage to the place where you serve alcohol? >> it is behind it. >> so it is not attached to it? >> no. >> it is on the other side. >> there is a wall that the back of the bar is a wall that goes up 8 feet.

>> okay. >> and on the other side of that. >> cool. >> i think that, have you spoken to your neighbors. >> yes, in fact one of the neighbors, had originally protested with the license transfer and we met with them and now what they want to do is he has agreed to withdraw that protest. and we have talked to a lot of people in the neighborhood, and in fact, dtna had a lot of excellent feedback for us that we incorporated into the design. >> on the sound system you said that you were changing the system to be appropriate. are you using lower profile speakers? >> that is the plan. >> so more of them, but lower profile speakers. >> yes. >> and the area that is the triangle that comes out is that an alley way on to the street? >> no. it is kind of a service area, this itu