prior was you had done a survey of all the families [inaudible] . >> we did the survey last week that surveyed the families that were on the waiting list at that point. we were able to get a hold of 152 families and 92 percent said they were currently residing in san francisco. >> what about the remaining ten percent? >> well, there's 60 percent of that remaining 10 percent said they had resided in san francisco within the last three

years. another 14 per september said it was three or more years ago and then three or four families said they'd never resided in san francisco. >> with those four families, did you feel like maybe they were abusing the system, had no intent at living here, were on here because they thought san francisco's a great place to be because you have so many benefits? what was your sense of these remaining four families? >> i didn't speak to these families myself, but i know generally having done management at connecting point, for the most part, with some of the limited exceptions, they do have some ties to san francisco, usually family support is a really common one.

they might have an aunt or sister that said they could crash on their couch for a couple nights, weeks and they may have other ties to san francisco as well including school or employment. >> my last question is -- i kind of referred to this earlier when i was speaking -- was the challenges of providing documentation for many folks you encounter. so how challenging is the process. do you find for the families you interface with /kurpbly? it varies depending on the families and [inaudible] the families that are capable of tracking down their birth certificate, that are capable of getting their letter of homelessness, for those that can check in every week. these

families that are in a /tkpwraeer level of crisis, those are the families for whom it can be very challenging to get these documents. i think the bulk of work that case managers do at connecting point, a lot of times, is helping families track down those documents. >> i have no idea how to get my own birth certificate. >> even the president of the united states is not able to get a birth certificate, right? let me go back to the point

supervisor kim was making. for me, there is a difference when you're talking about homeless shelters because that is the lowest point in the safety net so the question would be -- you talked about some of those families that are not able to provide that information. if the families are denied services here, where do they go? >> any time that we deny family services we attempt to refer them to other appropriate services. i think people have spoken to this already that there are not always services in other areas so referring them out to another county is

not always result in them being referred into an appropriate shelter system. >> supervisor yee. >> i'm not sure if you'll know the answer, but for families [inaudible] is this for families that are 'em /phoeued in san francisco? could these be the same families? >> they could be. >> i you don't know? >> i don't know based on the survey we did. let's open it up to public comment. we are

lacking shelter for family, for single adult. that's where we need to move. the intent here is not clear and i want to challenge the process that the hearing board was not privy of this policy. i want to ask you that you guys start getting more involved with us around policies that should come to a local homeless board. opposing this policy, and i hope you hear from the community about the many reasons why. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker please. >> hello, i'm deborah. i am the deputy director for

hamilton family center. thank you for hearing our comments today. i want to recognize that

i recommend that we organize a family shelter access work group to look at these policies so we can develop data driven policies that look at the regional system and what's happening in san francisco with family homelessness. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker please. >> my name is charles. i'm [inaudible]. i'm single, but a lot of people [inaudible] it's hard because i been there

myself. /es /p-rblly especially a family -- it's hard. like the man say, it's crazy. [inaudible]. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello, my name is brian, i'm the executive director of the aids alliance here in san francisco and i'm a member of the emergency services providers association. i like the direction you've taken this so that it's more of a collaborative approach because i think a lot of this is about communication around the

details and it's estimated over a five year period that 20.4 percent of people with hiv and aids have been displaced from san francisco in a five year period. and i've long been a supporter of -- i think that stopping displacement is triage. i want to support those values based approaches that if we have people here and hair emotional connections are to this city and if they are temporarily somewhere else, then i think we wan to make sure [inaudible] thank you all for your leadership on this and

i really appreciate all the work that my sisters and brothers do at the family services agencies. >> nec speaker please. >> good morning, i'm vera hail and i wanted to call your attention to some issues related to the supreme your [inaudible] residency requirement for programs like this. the durational residency requirement was ended by supreme court in 1968 and part of the rational was that if people meet the other eligibility requirements, you can't deny them aid based on the fact that they tone have residency. that would be a violation of due process so that fast that was part of the reason why they said you condition do it anymore. and the next year the secretary of

health education and welfare told all counties they could not do it in any programs with federal funds and that was interesting too because i worked with the department of social /s*flss in those years and i remember that part of my job was to go down, make sure that general assistance applicants got the money they needed the day they applied. now i notice that they have a 15 day residency requirement in ga and they have a 30 day residence requirement in three of their other programs per local ordinance. i wish the board of supervisors would not approve such local ordinances

that bring back durational residency requirements. i'm trying to get shelters for seniors, and they don't exist yet either, but i wanted to bring your attention to the residency requirement. >> thank you. jennifer [inaudible] kenya. next speaker please. >> [inaudible] i'm in a shelter with my daughter because she has to be with me 24/7. i

wanna be brave and talk about [inaudible]. i'm really mad because [inaudible] really bad. they throw all my medical supplies in the garbage. [inaudible] they don't care about homeless, they don't care about families. [inaudible]. it's a life. a lot of things i sew, they don't care.

[inaudible]. nothing. [inaudible]. very abusive, sometimes [inaudible] and they don't care. [inaudible] because my neck and they don't care. they don't care about families, they don't care about anything, you know. i see many, many things and it's very [inaudible]. >> thank you very much, ma'am. next speaker please. >> my name is [inaudible]. i'm with the homeless co/hreubgs and i'm also a resident at

hamilton transitional. don't mess with something that's already fixed. i've been at hamilton transitional a year and if it wasn't for the stability i had there -- it can affect the child. i was overhearing when the guy was saying some people come from different counties and stuff, but the bottom-line is -- we get these lists and most of them are for alameda county. it's not us wanting to stay here, you get the applications for housing, there's no place to go. now they want to put an allotment on 30 percent for shelter. there's families that need housing too.

>> some of us are formerly homeless and currently homeless on the committee. one thing we believe is that this will affect people to get emergency beds because you have to apply on the connecting point wait list. so we are offering a letter of opposition an i am opposed to these changes. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> hi, i'm /tapl tammy. first of all, it's a safety issue.

everybody has the right to be in a safe environment and when it comes to getting documentation, i've tried to get my own birth certificate and i think it'd be easier to get his than my own. having a roof over your head, it's the most common, unimaginable thing. excuse me. my tongue and my brain can't get together right now. i take it you know what i'm trying to say. >> thank you very much. i have a couple more cards -- denny collins, lisa marie, daniel

pena. come forward please. thank you. >> i'm a case manager at compass. i want to thank you for having this hearing to bring the community together to talk about this issue. i wanted to speak about the families that we surveyed. i know for myself on my case load out of all the families i have on my case load i only have one family that wasn't currently residing in san francisco and that was a family fleeing from dv and that's a group of families i'm concerned about is families who do flee san francisco because of dv and go to other counties and establish there for a little while for their safety. a lot of times

domestic violence shelters are full here and they have to access other shelters in other counties so it's important they have access to san francisco shelters. other families i'm concerned about are those with severe medical conditions, who are staying with families and may have children under 5 years of age. those families can't access emergency center because they can't carry their things or leave the shelter everyday and if they're not eligible to have a child in school it'll be hard for them to establish residency. >> my name is ivory thompson and i'm a case manager at compass, also a former client about 18, 19 years ago. i've been working for compass almost 18 years in september and when

i first started there it took about a week to move into shelter, now it's up to eight months. i have a case load of 31 right now and i'm really nervous. sorry. >> you're doing great. >> my concern is, i just came from working at a shelter about nine months ago. a lot of those families that we served that were undocumented would not apply for cal works because they were afraid their status would be compromised when they are trying to apply for citizenship. so that's one of my biggest concerns with that being in place that we will have peep that are going to be outside and not get the services they need meaning families and children as well. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> hi. my name is [inaudible]

and i represent the coalition on homelessness. we at the coalition don't look at this as a simple policy change. we look at this as an attack. an attack on poor families, undocumented families and all low income families that have to go in and out of shelters to survive on the streets of san francisco. when i was out organizing on this issue, as soon as i approaching folks that is living in shelters and are homeless. as soon as i uttered the word shelter and that i had say i don't wanna hear this. i wanted them to come speak out about the proposed laws that are soon to come. they're like, no, we're

already going through enough. folks are turned away. folks don't wanna be in the situation they're in so i guess the key is address. we came to /aeu address you guys by my ironny of address is mail in a box, a mailing address, to get cal works you need an address. to get shelter they want an address or a homeless letter. so get your kid through school you need an address. so what we're proposing is you guys do not stand with this, stand against it. you know, if they want to have more ideas in terms of limited resource they

should increase it and put families to work and build more shelters. thank you. >> thank you. couple more cards -- [inaudible]. >> jennifer, director of the coalition on homelessness. i think it's important to take some steps back and figure out what our vision is for our emergency family system. the vision for our emergency system is one that very swiftly engages family, that gets them into shelter as quickly as possible, gets 'em safe, stable and tries to match them with as many services as possible to get them out of that shelter and into permanent housing and out of poverty all together. when we're analyzing this proposal we're seeing it's not going in the direction of our

vision and actually in the opposite direction. we have a policy that is developed under a pretense that families are coming here from elsewhere. that is not the case. we're talking about a handful of families. we're creating more barriers for san francisco families. all the families are already in the services. from our perspective this would do the opposite of prioritizing

families most in need. this would deprioritize families in need -- the families with the most difficult time navigating our systems. i think we need to go farther and rethink this entire thing. >> next speaker. >> good afternoon. [inaudible]

>> she's from the coalition of homelessness and she's opposed to these changes because it would be basically impossible for anyone to show proof that their children are in school

when they're ages zero to 5, then being undocumented and applying for cal works. this is not a solution to lowering the wait list or a solution at all, it's more of a cover up of what the real issues are and just covering the problem, not looking at the problem or solving an issue.