officers is that an estimate or - and a if that's an estimate i would have gone with 65 or more. >> for the police departments the controllers office does a audit and they add the certification. >> that's what i was asking about the certification. >> if it's i can add briefly. chef ben rosen field. it was a charter measure proposed that creates a process for the 1971 that 6 in the chart can be reduced and that's if so civilians are hired and added to the budget then officers can be

sent to the streets and if the chief certifies as i recall it's appropriate as measured by the chief >> my questions is not about lowering the 1971 authorized strength but do we actually certify that are 53 officers going out and is answer is we've reviewed those and we do believe those hires will be sending the officers back to active duty. >> that was my question and a thank you. i want to go back to slide 12 on overtime. i'm pleased in 5 years overtimes

been reduced from 23 million significantly all the way down to 8 point 8 million 2011 and 12 but i see that trending up in 2013 and wondering are we anticipating it will go up a little bit. what strategies do we have to continue it historic decline? >> the reason it's gone up to 9.6 because half of the mta order came over. basically, we're still flat at the 9.4 >> okay. thank you the next slide is the civilian position slide. as you can tell in 2009 we were

at 3 hundred and 64 it was our high water when we were at 44 again. that was the year we went to the 10 hour day. ebb and flow we're trying to do the best we can and use as much bailing wire just to get to christmas of this year where the staffing goes up. the next slide is the new public safety building update. still construction gambling became in january the topping of sermon it was in april. moving is scheduled for november of next year and this year includes the equipment purchases which were not fundable by

emergency bond >> excuse me. supervisor avalos. i just ask the controller in the past were there had been certification with a number of officers who would be out in the field whether or not there's been a followup to see if that's happened or not and he said we've never done that before and the police department does put officers out in the fields because of the civiliantion but he can have the numbers in the next two weeks were. the overall goal

>> by the end of the year san

francisco will be the first city and county in california and maybe in the country to have the department of justice information the data project that was worked out between the mayor's office and we're very happy to prevent the officers from having to go back to the stations at all unless to process arrests. and the academy 1.4 million and seismic upgrades the heart worked better in the summer and the air conditioning worked better in the winter so we'll get that swichdz >> well given san francisco climate that make sense. >> and lake merced and security

fences in disrepair we've got leaks. and we're working with the controllers office to reduce fuel and maintenance costs. some of our vehicles are still in place and where it not for a vehicle inspection they wouldn't pass for the green laws. that's not okay so we're going to do what we can. one of the problems with going with a hybrid our vehicles have to be collision certified so we're working on that and trying to switch as many cars as they can and get more miles on the tank. and that concludes my report and i i'll up front to kate howard

because i know that was more than 10 >> colleagues sorry any other questions for the chief at this time. >> i justice wanted to know if you were going to make any comments been the budget analysts report. >> yes, we got final recommendations yesterday and some concessions we were ready to make and other a longer conversation. >> okay. well speaking of mr. rose why don't we move to your report. >> mr. chairman and members of the committee on page 57 our recommend reductions total 2 million and 1489 in 13 and fourteen and want hundred and 26

savings. still allow an increase. in addition we recommended closing out prior years general fund income brands. we would have a total of savings for the general fund. our recommended reductions total 1.7 million in fiscal year 2014 and 15 and those recommendations would allow a 10th of the budget. mr. chairman and members of the committee with our permission i would like ms.

>> two hours of overtime we couldn't document p there was a - none of the property owners

said they had a police presence for 12 hours. we have dedicated police staffing but don't include the overtime pay >> could you talk about theo. >> i'm not aware of the 12 hour overtime shift. >> but i'm saying the 6 foot corridor there's also a dedicated program in the school district and in the corridor not unlike the program of overtime they just add it on others shifts. we're asking where you have dedicated staffing it would be on the regular 10 hour shift and not overtime >> those corridors have 10 hour

shifts. >> they have 12 hour coverage but in order to get the overtime which is 15 percent of the expense we use i can basically make 32 officers and the exact officers it's a desirable assignment and it was to give those folks no public housing the same faces everyday for midnight basketball. their basic shift is a x but the union rules keep me from moving them around but overtime allows me to put them all in one place and i get tremendous flexibility for that million dollars >> mr. chairman i want to

emphasize all we believe is there's no justification of overtime but they can handle the situations we don't want any overtime and that is our recommendation to you today which is consistent with our audit findings. >> i represent fully disagree. >> we'll have a meeting of the minds. >> thank you chief i just wanted to ask the fact we have an additional 3 hundred officers which increases, you know, the number of police officers out in the streets you know how would continuing overtime for public

housing how i'm trying to - wouldn't - would overtime for public housing still be necessary in the same manner with such a large number of officers on the street and the officers will be replaced no 2013. the officers in public housing regardless of the fact there was a 15 percent reductions across the police department the staffing at public housing including in your district and in supervisors campos districts it went up because it was recognized how successful it is. the overtime gives me the neglect to defeat the union controls that don't allow me the flexibility that i get with ao.

and not having to have the same amount of officers. there is not a member open this board who don't talk to me about having more officers. our primary reason is we needed to add more officers but i don't think there's not going to be the need to have the flexibility if they're going to be the same exact dedicated officers they like working there and i think the people in public housing like them there. barbara smiktd asked we do provided the funding to continue

those services. >> supervisor mar. >> let me continue the - you're saying the extra neglect that the one million dollars buys helps you with neglect of assigning the same officers so the people in public housing know their police officers and they know the housing better and it allows you to advance more of a police strategy and to deal with restrictive labor management rules that prevent you from managing and deploying people he who should be police public housing. >> that's exactly what it does. it gives me the opportunity to dedicate the officers i actually have the officers who are

applying to be the public officers they stay and get to know the folks and their signing up to get the assignment knowing i'm going to put them on the weekends and if there's a spike in violence i'm going to put them and if that's not okay i have other people standing in line to get the assignments >> supervisor reed anything. >> thank you. the question i believe related to purchase of vehicles that is in the budget report is more for the budget analyst to address on page 60. it talks about limiting and disapproving the purpose of one more vehicle and there's a vehicle that has 50 thousand

miles on it and is there anything wrong with that vehicle and

. >> purchasing vehicles that are continuing to keep a high-level of vehicles the effort is to actually lower the amount of vehicles so are we getting any tracking. i imagine that the police department have heavy patrol and you need vehicles >> what they sent us was a spreadsheet to show the plan of

reducing the vehicles. we looked at specific vehicle requests and made recommendations. >> okay. thank you. >> colleagues any further questions for the chef right now. okay. you want to move on cc >> good morning chairperson and members of the budget committee. i'm with the director of the office of city complaints. i'd like to thank mayor ed lee, the police commission and the budget analysts jason cunningham

and from harvey rose and my staff and acting chef investigator. there are no program changes to the occ budget but the proposed budget is for the two replacement vehicles that are fourteen years old. the budget analyst proposes the cc reduce one vehicle and also that the occ reduce it's vacant deputy director chief investigator position by 23 percent. this would result in a $65,000 savings to the city but would frustrate the occs mission. the mission is four foiled to

investigate and make finding on the policeman's conduct in a fair and timely unbiased manner. to make policy released on police policies and practices and to implement it's community outreach strategy plan to reach underserved community that maybe you think familiar with the occ and police serviced. the occ must replace both it's vehicles by 2015 under the city's clean air ordinance. those vehicles are more than 12-year-old and the deadline is july 1st of 2015. the occ has had those vehicles since 19939. they must replace the position -

the occ two vehicles are fourteen years old. as i said

contingent outreach strategy plans. some of the staff using the second thing vehicle require accommodatess and to limit the staff to two vehicles would limit the chief directors car who is conducting the activity that i referred to previously. our second point with regards to the 23 percent attrition cut which i said is as recently as this morning has been reduced to a 17 percent attrition to the

deputy director would preclude the office from filling that position timely. the occ anticipates filling the vacancy as soon as august. i indicated the position would be filled no matter september 12th but the director detective investigator position is critical because it manages the staff and it's been vacant since march filled by an acting position. i ask you restore the critical position >> mr. chair and members of the committee. first of all, we'll work with the department. first of all, on the vehicle our explanation stands this vehicle has less than 50 thousand miles

not to be replaced and number 2 i'm glad the department commented open 0 the hiring the deputy director one. if you look on page 60 documents is our remedies is simply to reduce the fte to reflect actual hiring time we're remedying an amount which we do in every department of the recommendations we're making you're considering for reprioritization of our savings this is a fundamental recommendation that you don't - there is no need to leave money in the budget unless the position is going to be hired on

a certain date. based on that recommendation that's the cut we made. of course, we'll revise our recommendation but this is an important recommendation such as attrition based on history and actually history and projections we recommended to the board of supervisors to not leave money on the table and not leave money in the departments that are not going to be expedient. year after year we're saying to the board of supervisors take it now and use it for your needs now. >> thank you, mr. rose. colleagues supervisor avalos >> just a followup on the

vehicle and a for next week can we get a summary of all vehicles purchased. it would be good to see the goal it's to see the rescues of vehicles and get the aged vehicles off the street as well >> we can provided that information for you. >> okay. thank you. >> colleagues any other questions or committals at this time. >> i did want to ask ms. hicks if she could respond to the comments. it sounds like the vehicle that has less than 50 thousands miles and not to purchase a new vehicle but i'm wondering it's

necessary to purchase a new vehicle and he also said it's not a reduction of the deputy one position but adjusted on the actual budget numbers >> supervisor mar thank you it for your question. the objection cross-examination cross-examination thought to replace both vehicles because of the clean air ordinance requires that vehicles over 12 years old be retired by 2014. we're simply attempting to comply with that policy and the mayor misunderstand that request and provided us with a replacement. it in the meanwhile, it's atkins the age and for occ it's the functions that we have to perform daily trips to the hall

of justice. at a staff with disabled that will not accommodate other forms of transportation. catching the bus with confidential personnel documents a peace officer confidential paperwork. and meeting timelines it would be an inefficiencies and it's not simply not doable with the staff that we have. it's a small staff. we've look at other deliver but the documents are confidential and my staff has gone through a background check and what other