it. right? >> by requesting a subdivision does not mean that they have to do it necessarily but we know that it is feasible. and they have already applied for it. >> they don't have to do the subdivision and so if the board of appeals up hold or deny the subdivision >> they would up hold or deny the subdivision and then after that, the map would be recorded in the subdivision would be complete. >> not necessarily, would it? >> and then they will have to go forward with the subdivision? >> it is proved... >> i think that they may decide if they want build on it to do the subdivision. >> the entitlement and they don't have to... >> i am not 100 percent certain and then the final map stage and i don't know if the permit

is issue then they can abandon it? >> and i think that it does not prefer until it is recorded. >> right. >> if the appeal is after the tentative map approval. that may be the case. i apologize i do not know for certain. >> the fact of the details. >> do you have any other information? >> i don't think that we know whether or not the requesting party with stop the process. and after the board of supervisors has acted on the appeal. >> okay. >> so we don't have... >> the information. >> we will go with a contingency and if there is a grant or we can deny. >> that is not necessarily the option that we would want to go down. if that is the case, i don't think that i feel comfortable

making that... in other words, i would not want to up hold this permit and condition it on the subdivision approval at this point. i would probably lean towards just granting the appeal and over turning the permit. >> i am not sure that i see what we are doing here tonight as necessarily being related. okay. >> i mean, we are being asked really to look at the kind of the planning aspects of it. and it seems to me that the subdivision and legal issue that is separatable and that is just how i see it. >> i don't know. >> so i would be comfortable taking an action tonight. >> or in the alternative, the way that i see it is that this permit should not have been issued because it was con tining ent on the subdivision being granted. that is how i am looking at it. although i think that we can

make a distinction. >> a site permit should not have been issued? >> right. >> it is based on the assumption that it would be. >> right. >> it is conditioned on the fact that it would be. yes. >> not that you assume that it would be. >> okay. >> it is the same thing that what the planning department has done when they approved the site permit and their approval is conditional upon the subdivision being perfected. similarly, we have that option also that the question is whether we have agree with the projector not. and issue her is... the appellants don't want anything there and it has nothing do do with the design and it has something to do the windows perhaps and the things and the

issue is whether to allow anything to occur on this particular site. >> and in addition, i think in my opinion, not only because io because of the green space issues and the views and the lighting issues and the parking issues i think that for all of those reasons i would grant the appeal as well. >> i just disagree with the development here. >> i have been really torn when i first looked at it i thought that it was a well done design and that it fit in and sort of enhanced the look of the development. i think that even mr. pass moore said that the development of that kind would not get approved now. in listening and thinking about the ramifications of it, it concerns... and i don't see why it would not be a precedent if it were and i am very much

leaning towards pulling the appeal. >> i feel similarly mixed i think that it is a stunning project. and it is, but, and in fact, on the record, before listening to the testimony, and hearing more about the green space and it is part of, there remains some question in my mind but i am persuaded that it was intended to be those green spaces were intended to be there. and that is where notwithstanding the fact that it is a beautiful project and it would probably as you said, enhance what is existing. in terms of the visual and in terms of the beauty of the project itself. it is a hard, it is a hard call.

but i think that the most important sort of most compelling information relates to the question of was that green space supposed to be there on a permanent basis? based on the entire development? and it is also persuasive to me that the department's own staff was going to and in fact did recommend against the project. >> i guess you know, all of us are struggling with that and i have been struggling with this case since the beginning as we listen to all of thets things and i usually make the decisions fairly quickly. but however the question is two-fold. and one is that and what i am weighing is the fact that what the intent subposely was and is

no. codified and i am weighing that against the people's presentation of the intent and what you can see in at the pointers of the pattern of the lot and streets there. and as compared to the property span of the owner, and which, are important also and it is something that i have to always consider in making these kinds of decisions where it is either a yes or a no issue. you know? and i guess that i have made a decision on my position and that is, i am prepared to support the project of, on the basis that the subdivision is conditioned. and the approval of the subdivision will be conditioned to it.

as i expressed earlier, this is not the first housing boom that san francisco has experienced. we have experienced many since this development has been done in the 60s and in the 70s and 80s and 90s and the 2000s. i just think that it is easy to build on that green space and it would have been done in the 60s by the geller brothers in the 70s or the 90s. my concern to be honest is that if we fill one green space, the decision that this board makes pretty much determines if all of those green spaces are going to be filled. on the one hand there is nothing written that indicates that these green spaces were designated specific and were to state green spaces. and both sides have presented strong cases to represent

themselves. i think that if we close one green space we will have to close all of them. and i don't know if i feel comfortable enough with making that decision and it is not just one project it is all of the projects. >> so i will make a motion that we grant the appeal and over turn the permit on the basis that... commissioner hurtado may i make a suggestion? if you don't mind? >> no i don't, it is the end of the night. >> with the city attorney's assistance i would encourage you to base your motion on the basis for recommendations that is in the planning staff, that is on page 4 >> there are two bullets that

shows that it creates circumstances because it will not preserve and protect the character and stability of the development and not be as orderly and beneficial in the project and any other that shows that the project if approved will result in expectation and the project elsewhere in the san francisco development. and i would also encourage you to base your decision on section 76 of the tax regulations code which talks about the assessed on the surrounding property and residents. >> thank you i will accept those friendly amendments to my motion since those are suggestions, that seem reasonable given our discussion and the evidence that we heard tonight and so he will adopt those into my motion. >> okay. >> if you could have a motion from commissioner hurtado.

to grant this appeal on the basis of the excerpts of the planning staff as the analysis as read into the record and on the basis of the article one section 26, correct? >> of the business and tax regulations code. referring to the general interest standard. is that it >> yeah. >> and on that motion, to grant sxf revoke this permit, with those findings, commissioner fung? >> no. >> president hwang? >> aye. >> vice president lazarus? >> aye. >> commissioner honda. >> aye. >> thank you, the vote is 4-1, and the permit is revoked on those findings, thank you. >> no further business. >>

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disjointed privately owned companies. horses and steam and electric-powered vehicles. creating a hodgepodge of transit options. none of them particularly satisfying to city residents. the city transit system like the city itself would have changes during the san francisco earthquake. the transition that will pursue from this aftermath would change san francisco's transportation system once again. facilitated by city boss, abe ruth, ushering in the electric city car. the writing was on the wall. the clammer had begun for the experiment including public

transit people. owned by the people and for the people. the idea of a consolidated city-owned transit system had begun traction. and in 1909, voters went to the polls and created a bond measure to create the people's railway. would become a reality three years later. on december 28, 1912, mayor sonny rolph introduced the new geary electric streetcar line and the new san francisco railway. that he said would be the nucleus that would host the city. and san francisco gave further incentive to expand the city's

network. a project by way of tunnel leading into chinatown by way of north beach. in december the first streetcar was driven into the tunnel. just two years after its berth, muni had added two lines. and k, l and m lines that span out from westportal. in 1928, the j line opened heading west to the beach. in 1944 san francisco voters finally approved muni take-over of the market street railway. by then motor bus and trolley bus improvement had given them the ability to conquer san francisco's hills. after the war most of the street-car lines would be replaced with motor or trolley

bus service. in 1947, the mayor recommended replacing two lines with motor coaches. and it appeared that san francisco's iconic cable cars had seen their final days. entered mrs. cluskin, the leader to save the cable cars. arguing that the cable cars were a symbol of the city, and she entered a charter placed on the november ballot. it passed overwhelmly. the california street cable railway was purchased by the city in 1952. there were cut backs on the cable car system and in 1957 only three lines would remain. the three lines that exist today.

in 1964 the cable car's future as part of california's transit system was sealed when it was proclaimed a national historic landmark. in february, 1980, muni metro were officially inaugurated. in that same year, muni received its first fleet of buses equipped with wheelchair lifts. in 1982 when the cable car had a shut-down, they added an alternative attraction to the cars. the festival was a huge hit and would continue for the next four summers in a permanent f-line that would extend all the way to

fisherman's wharf, by 2000 the f-line was in place. and in 2007 muni extended the third line to the southeast corner and returning to third street. for the first time in 60 years. in the course of last 100 years, muni's diverse workforce forged by men and women of innovation have reflected the many cultures that flock to the city. muni's ground-breaking antidiscrimination has guaranteed equal opportunity for all. the city's policy mandates the course for the future, as they work diligently to increase options and increase multialternatives, and deduce --

reduce the carbon footprint. it continues to improve the systems. reflect on the transit al system. driven not (music) >> herb theatre,open rehearsal. listen to the rehearsal. i think it is fun for them, they see our work process, our discussions, the decisions we make. it is good for us. we kind of behavior little bit when we have people in the audience. msk

(music) >> we are rehearsing for our most expensive tour; plus two concerts here. we are proud that the growth of the orchestra, and how it is expanded and it is being accepted. my ambition when i came on as music director here -- it was evident we needed absolutely excellent work. also evident to me that i thought everyone should know that. this was my purpose. and after we opened, which was a spectacular opening concert about five weeks after that the economy completely crashed. my plan -- and i'm absolutely dogmatic about my plans --were delayed

slightly. i would say that in this very difficult timefor the arts and everyone, especially the arts, it's phenomenal how new century has grown where many unfortunate organizations have stopped. during this period we got ourselves on national radio presence; we started touring, releasing cds, a dvd. we continue to tour. reputation grows and grows and grows and it has never stopped going forward. msk(music) >> the bay area knows the orchestra. you maybe take things for granted a little bit. that is simply not the case will go on the road. the audiences go crazy.

they don't see vitality like this on stage. we are capable of conveying joy when we play. msk(music) >> any performance that we do, that a program, that will be something on the program that you haven't heard before. string orchestra repertoire is pretty small. i used to be boxed into small repertoire. i kept constantly looking for new repertoire and commissioning new arrangements. if you look at the first of the program you have very early, young vibrant mendelson; fabulous opener and then you have this fabulous concerto written for us in the orchestra. is our gift.

msk(music) >> and then you have strauss, extraordinary piece. the most challenging of all. string orchestra work. 23 solo instrument, no violin section, now viola section; everybody is responsible for their part in this piece. the challenge is something that i felt not only that we could do , absolutely could do, but i wanted to show off. i can't tell you how aware i am of the audience. not only what i hear but their vibes, so strong. i have been doing this for a

long time. i kind of make them feel what i want them to feel. there is nobody in that audience or anywhere that is not going to know that particular song by the fourth note. and that is our encore on tour. by the way. i am proud to play it, we are from san francisco. we are going to play that piece no matter where we are.