tagging crew. over 700 incidences right now in phoenix. and the cool thing is you find out * the other thing it tells you activities with other taggers, activity with crews. how many times they were with. you can pretty much find out who their crew is. you can see this one is stk. >> i got that. >> you guys can see. his city is 45 minutes from phoenix and it's out in like -- almost like a little area by itself. i used to live in maricopa. it's a little town by itself way away from phoenix, 45 minutes outside the border of phoenix. >> [speaker not understood]. >> yeah. it's out there. and you're like, this kid is traveling. so, you can see it tells you what cameras they take pictures with. this is the mic camera, what it was removed, what type of surface it was. it comes with an incident number. that incident number is tracked

to our graffiti abatement team. from them i give incident number, 451 4321. okay, we cleaned it up on this date and it was 45 21 for a damage estimate or $54. whatever it took for them to clean that off and how they cleaned it off, that's how we get our damage estimate to make a bigger case. >> [speaker not understood]? >> for the abatement? as that's a whole 'nother ball game and a whole 'nother day. but i can get it for you. they do an audit every year, neighborhood services department. last year we cleaned up $6.4 million in graffiti. so, it's pretty bad. i give you the person to get in charge -- with the abatement side, william hogan. i'll give you his number and stuff. he can tell you how they do an audit. they do a yearly -- every two years they do an audit and that's how they get their pricing on how many square feet that they have to do. and it just moves up and up and up. when i first started it was like 17 bucks. now it's like 54 bucks.

so, inflation, man. so, yeah. this is a great thing. even if you don't know what some of the graffiti is and you start typing it, you can figure out one of the letters if this computer goes. back in that search area when it gets back there, they say you see that [speaker not understood] right there. that's merc. if you see merc right there and you don't know what it said but you can see the first two letters, m.e., you can go up here in the search area and just start typing. m-e and try to figure out, oh, you can look at some of these pictures. there's -- there's a mercs, too, mers. sometimes people get that confused with a k or an s. you can look at the pictures or

try to match them up to the graffiti you have currently. the other thing about this, it's not just taggers, it's also gangses. we have gangs over here. we have like what's a big gang member, smily. there's always going to be a smily, right? the great thing is when you do do it, it pulls up. if i pull up like merc, i see that merc tags with five different other people. so, how can i get hold of merc? start finding out what the other guys are doing. it's a big, big thing for you to use. and this is how we put our big cases together. this is our hotline program and it's, like i said, the hotline program is similar to silent witness program i was telling you about. you remain anonymous. that's big for the kids, too. a lot of places that we use this hotline reward is in the schools because that's where you're going to get a lot of intel.

once they see a little bit of this and they see a little bit of money going out, they become more and more -- people are ratting on everybody. we get them to rat on each other. we've even had taggers tell on other taggers. which is kind of funny. the rewards range from $75 to $250. like i said, we have a board that sits on it and he check off different things and how dangerous it was for that person telling the other. it's p just for kids. it's all over the city. we have billboards all over the city that say this is our program, call it, we can get you money, 75, $250. the other thing is i have these little green cards i carry with me. when i'm outlooking at -- doing graffiti. don't tell anything. when i'm looking at graffiti, i feel like a homeless guy sitting out there. they could use extra bucks. i give them the card. did you see who did is that? yeah, punk kid, blah, blah, blah. go to the pay phone right there, call 911 if you see them doing it and they'll get you a

reward, 75 to 250. really? yeah. so, money is money, man. [laughter] >> i get them to help me out as well. this is our phone number. these are the things we need to know. this is our program, this is how -- these are the things we did to mandate it. the suspect's name, how to contact them school or home. what they wrote or tagged and the location of the graffiti. like i said, this is mainly directed at kids in school first. kids are always tagging up desks or books, whatnot, right? so, this is how we get them right here. they tell us this is my english class and it was john i was sitting up in the left-hand corner. we go up and find that. we pull little john i and talk to little john i. * johnny. it's not for prosecution at this point. we use the reward program. it's to identify them because we'll get them after that. now, what if i got identified merc through one of these things? that's a big way for us to help get a good case on someone.

this is an example of some of the reward posters that we do. we also have -- in phoenix, we have those little flash cams. i think we had some over here, the vendors area. flash cams are awesome. these people don't even understand. we even have some flash cams that talk to you. you are trespassing in the area. vacate the area. they don't care. they just keep tagging. we use some of those flash cams to put on these -- put on here to try to catch them. put them on the media and catch them that way. all right. some of the fun parts on why we're doing what we're doing. >> hey, mike, [speaker not understood]. >> joe? >> yeah. >> i don't know what he he does, man. [laughter] >> anybody know about sheriff joe? crazy.

>> [speaker not understood]. [laughter] >> i was telling the story, the first time i came to phoenix, arizona, i was a fresh rookie cop. i took a guy to jail. it was just after lunchtime, about an hour after lunchtime. the guy was i'm starving, i'm starving. you should have thought about that before you went to jail. i'll give him some food. they gave him green baloney. i ain't eating that. don't come to jail. some of that stuff, the pink underwear is pretty cool. this kid that we did, again, i have a log that i keep of every tagger that comes over my desk. and i kept seeing jugs over and over and over again. * kit through facebook and graffiti tracker, we found out where he kind of possibly lived. and we actually caught him shop lifting in a circle-k and he's, you know, stealing beer and got him coming out. had cans on him because he he was painting on his way down from his mobile home to the

circle-k. >> [speaker not understood]. [video presentation]

>> he's facing up to six years in prison. -- he got 4-1/2. so, master grace feet aloe. he he did $10,000 worth of

damage to the city. it's kind of funny. think about him being in the department of arizona correctionses. what are you in for? graffiti. [laughter] >> this is so awesome. i tell you another thing, you guys heard at the end, he told me in the interview. he's like, man, i'm glad you got me. why? because i can't stop. why can't you stop? because i'm addicted. i can't stop. why did you start doing grab pete aloe? well, i used to do drugs and i wanted to stop doing drug. my mom put me in rehab. the day he got out of rehab is the day he started tagging. that's how i found out how he got started. he said it was more and better than a drug. so, when i hear it's an addiction, i'm 100% behind that because everybody i've ever interviewed has told me they're addicted to it and they can't stop. >> [speaker not understood]. >> what's that? >> [speaker not understood]. >> yeah, the whole graffiti

diversion program. whatever, i know what it is. i know how it is and that's what i'll attest to for as long as i do this job. but, yeah, he's addicted to it, couldn't stop. man, you should have seen him. he's 27, 28-year old man balling his eyes out to me about how he couldn't stop doing t. he can't stop thinking about it. every day he got up, every day he went outside. you see the canal they're on there? he he would walk the canal all day back and forth just tagging. >> [speaker not understood]. >> facebook. it started out with facebook and then -- the way we do things first, this is how it all starts. i always see jugs come across my desk time and time again. i keep a little log for myself every year of all the taggers that come through. see jugs, put it down. see whoever, put it down. then when i start seeing it more and more then i start going into it and start trying to do some intel on it. hey, man, you know who jugs is? it pops up. then after i find out who jugs

is and kind of know who he is, i start oozing graffiti tracker. graffiti tracker shows me where he's hitting. guess where i saw it? all down that canal. so, we sat and watched him. like i said, he went into the circle-k. as he's going down to the circle-k from his mobile home, we had a whole crap load from where his mobile home. we knew where he worked and crap load of where he went to circle-k. come back this way, walk, walk wake, up and down. this is where it was. we sat on him, watched him, tagged up a couple srp boxes which is electrical box on the way up to circle k, went inside, stole some beer, that's how we got him arrested. while he was arrested, that's when we started talking about the grab feet feet aloe. -- graffiti. that's when he cried to me like a little boy and told me everything. it's a good deal.

>> [speaker not understood]. >> he was cocaine, bad cocaine, he said. we have a lot of meth down there in arizona. so, the next guy that we got, after we did jugs, i'm like, man, this is cool, let's get some more. so, you know, it's addicting to me now. [laughter] >> so, that's right, it's a good addiction, though, right? you know, we got jugs and everything was good, and you know, [speaker not understood] the guy that you saw in the press conference, i don't do press conferences. i stay out of them.

i don't like being in front of cameras. he was all hank paulson. then guess what? he got booted out of office and they brought in another guy. so, i'm like man, this is going to work with this guy, too. every new attorney that come n you have to sit down with them and meet them and tell them what this means to you and what you can do and what you can't do, see if they'll go with it. and, so, the new guy came in and i was like, i don't know if he's going to go with this, but let's try it anyway. so, this is where we met william brahas. i'll tell you a little about him, too, and his story. i'll wait for the advertisement. [video presentation] >> money for your gold.

[video presentation continued] [speaker not understood].

>> all right. william brahas, 20 years old, how we caught him, too, he used a lot of the internet. he was all over youtube, facebook. his girlfriend was big in helping us locate him. she put it on her facebook. you know, i don't know if you guys know this, too, when you take a picture and you post it on your facebook, it gives a little longitude-latitude. that's how we got up to glendale. we're in phoenix, arizona. let's see. here's a little bit about jugs again real quick. he got 4-1/2 years prison time, over $10,000 in damage to the city for clean up. got 6-1/2 years in prison. he did over $15,000 in damageses to the city.

how we caught mod the first time, which kind of upset me, is he spray painted a fire station. and i don't know about you guys have good firemen like us, but our firemen like to kick the crap out of people that do things like that. they've helped me a lot. they actually chased this kid down, got him arrested for the criminal damage on the firehouse, but for some unknown reason we didn't get a call out on it. when i get something like that, i know who he is. i put a file stop on him. for some reason they didn't call me so i didn't get to interview him that day. i had to find them again. once he was released from jail he he was back out tagging again. his tags started moving north and west of our valley. where is he going? so, then, using facebook i found out where his girlfriend was and she lives in glendale. so, they take pictures and it goes on facebook and you do the longitude-latitude and you can get kind of close to where it

was. well, just so happened that he tagged at 27th avenue in glendale, right on the glendale and phoenix border, we start today set up on him and found out where his girlfriend lived. we sat on the house and caught him, okay. after we arrested mod, broad him in, same thing. sat down and interviewed him for hours. and, man, they cry. you see that? once you start getting into their -- thing that helped me with mine and like i said, i'm not an expert, but if i can use -- if you can use something for me to help make your investigation successful, i don't start off with why did you do this, what did you do -- i start off nice and slow. tell me a little bit about yourself. it's like an interview, okay. and they tell you. you find something like jugs didn't have a dad. he said, i didn't have a dad to kick my ass to keep me right. it's okay, man. you try to hit those things and work them that way.

mod, same thing. he was addict today it. could not stop. did not want to stop. just kept going. told me that if we didn't stop him, he'd still be writing. but here, 6-1/2 years in prison. so, we sat on that house. we arrested him that day. it was a great day, it was a great time. got him put behind bars. did his fingerprints. guess what? fingerprints came back. i got hits all over phoenix. what the hell is going on? guy is just a tagger, right? no, he did six burglaries in phoenix and five burglaries in glendale by his girlfriend's house. 35 guns stolen. went back and interviewed him. where did those guns go? he sold them. to who? bunch of tagger buddies. so, it go and goes and goes. and now he's got 6-1/2 years for the graffiti. he's facing up to 8 years right now for the burglary charges.

so, it's not just graffiti. b feet i'm telling you, please don't believe that. * what else did i want to tell you guys? there's something. just be careful with some of these guys, especially when you deal with them out on the street. there's a couple incidences where we caught people in the act, arrest them, get their hands behind them, sure as crap they have a gun right there. so, either they have guns or they have pellet guns that look like guns. same thing as i'm going home to the family. they pull that on you. you know what you need to do. it's a getting worse. and we're doing a study -- you might be interested in talking to you about it. they're doing all the crimes that are linked to these guys that are taggers to the crimes that they're doing beside. i'm sure you're doing a lot with us. i love the stuff you're doing. i applaud you for that.

just remember that it's not just graffiti. anybody have any questions? this is one of my favorites. i saw a female doing graffiti in phoenix on the street and she was helping the painter, she was doing it. she kind of looks a little bit funny. any questions? again -- go ahead, wait, wait, where's the microphone? thank you. >> [speaker not understood]. everything i've heard today, i'm probably the only person in the world [speaker not understood]. everybody is paranoid, number one. [speaker not understood].

i couldn't believe it. anyway, thank you. >> thank you. >> [speaker not understood]. [laughter] >> yeah. >> [speaker not understood]. >> any other questions? again, my card is over there. the graffiti tracker card is over there. if you want to contact them, that's on you. if you want to just talk to me about them, you can do that as well. but anything i can do to help you combat graffiti, by all means, let's do it. if you guys find something that's more successful than what i've shown you or you have something you want to share with me, i love it. knowledge is power, man,

anything to take them down. well, i need the microphone. i feel like oprah. now you don't have to use it any more. >> i was just wondering if you had done your own [speaker not understood] the commission. but then you've been [speaker not understood]. >> no, i can't even do half the stuff they do. i actually tried in my backyard. i was doing some christmas project and i'm like, i'm going to try this. i'm like, i can't do it. it's all the pressure nozzle and all that stuff. no, i haven't done it on my own. and i wouldn't post anybody else's either. >> but that's why i wondered if you even got someone you knew, an artist. [speaker not understood]. >> we do have a guy. his name is ted walker.

he is a published artist and he actually does that for us. so, we use that because then we can legally say we used our own person. >> do you have more than one person who will friend a person, like someone you're looking into so they don't get suspicion us? >> oh, yeah. >> [speaker not understood] was saying, don't [speaker not understood]. >> you're exactly right. once you start friending about 10 people -- because, again, don't do more than like 10 a day. try to get friends. let their friends request you and you say, accept, accept, accept. accept everybody on there. because that's how it shows you have credibility. and then the other thing is you do have to put some pictures up. so, you know, some thing can be a little more abstract with it, but, again, don't use your own city. don't use a city because they're going to want to meet you, stuff like that. like i said, i use something up in wisconsin. i have a nice pretty little girl on my thing, other pretty

girl pictures on there. that's what they like so that's how they get on there. and you just keep adding friends. let them do t. once you get 10 or so, and then 10 of their friends, 50 of their friends, a hundred of their friends, now you'll look like you're a tagger yourself. you're good to go. you get all that intel right there. you try to stay -- phoenix graffiti. * it's not broken. >> do you write any flickr warrants? >> i don't use flickr. instagram is huge right now. >> they went away from flickr. >> they came and went pretty fast. i'm sure there's some still out there, but our kids in phoenix don't really use it. >> it was good because you can put in multiple tags. if you put in the right key words and put a space in between them you can figure out

all kinds of crews, monikers, and where they're tagging to, what cities. >> yeah, i've never had to do flickr yet, but insta gram, facebook, youtube, those i have. any other questions? i hope something you got from me you can learn. if you didn't hear everything you wanted to hear, call me. like i said, i don't care what time it is. if it's about graffiti, like i said, i'm passionate about it. i'll help you out with anything. if you need to write a search warrant i'll help you write the damn search warrant as long as you take someone off the street. good luck and be safe. (applause)

. >> okay, i'd like to introduce lieutenant dwight waldo, retired from the san francisco police department, he will be our next key note speakers so please listen to mr. dwight waldo >> thank you, drew, i'm very pleased to be here and i'm pleased to see so many people attending. my program today will basically be on training and expertise, being able to go out, understand the gravanis culture and then take it to court and get a successful prosecution. just a little background, i'm not going to read it all. i pretty much go by sergeant because i was only a lieutenant the last 3 months and i found

out if you google me under lieutenant you find something. i stick with sergeant because i have about 14 years on google for that. i spent about 28 years as a police officer for the city of san bernardino, california, about 80 miles outside los angeles. among other things i'm recognized as an expert on graffiti in california superior court. without reading all this i want to let you know that i am well rounded, i was supervisor of the unit to be supervisor of a multi agency dealing with it to being executive director for the entire state, california graffiti association of california. so i have a fair amount of background. i first became involved in graffiti back in 1991 when i was told in the gang unit that i was going to be a two-week assignment to deal with these guys called taggers. i

continued until i retired so it was a long two weeks. a lot of times cities don't understand how deep the issue goes. i have had my card handed out, this is my phone number. i have absolutely no problem with people calling me any time to discuss graffiti issues, graffiti cases, any of that stuff, i am always available. that's why i put my card out there. so first off, before we get into the graffiti part we have to talk about the person whos going to be dealing with graffiti when he goes to court. personnel and training are the two keys to success in any detail, we're going to talk specifically about graffiti but