>> can i have the overhead? >> this is from the manual. it's one of the details. two layers of sheet rock and two by 10 wood choice and 3-inch mineral rc channel equivalent. that's from -- that gets you -- 2r [inaudible] construction detail. there's a couple more with two layers of 5-inch sheet rock as well so there are several layers to accomplish it and i believe they choose one of these and that's all the building code required. >> i don't think that answers the question. you are making an assumption on the record and you can't affirmatively state it's

there and relying on the reputation of your colleague. >> well that's what the building inspectors are -- >> i'm not asking about that. but is the record unclear? >> i don't think it is and there is detail on the 2r assembly that was required by the building inspector -- a very good building inspector and verified that and ready to sign off on the permits. that's all the code requires. i don't need to go back there and check the approved plans for that detail and i am confident the inspector would have gotten that detail. i don't have the approved plans here. if they were here on the overhead i would 100% say that the building inspector edward don'tly got that detail and i am confident with that but i don't know -- >> let's put that aside. that's not really the issue . >> okay.

>> the fire rating is up to the building department. the issue here is every assembly depending on the materials has a different type of sound insulation values to it and we don't know this what this one is. we don't know that the noise levels other than a permit -- the permitee doing a test himself and a appellant who did his own test. i'm not sure i would accept either one at this point, but the issue is not so much what is the best system to do it. many different systems can handle different types of absorption and insulation and there's simple ways to do it and there's

more complicated and more expensive ways to do it. i think the question for me would be any particular use needs to contain its impact on other spaces -- other occupants around it and it's incumbent upon the user to demonstrate that he has provided sufficient mitigations to sound, and i think it's where i am going to lead is going toward is i would like to see exactly what the assembly shows on the detail. i don't need the inspectors to go out there and cut any holes. i would like to see the detail, and i would like them to provide a third party analysis of what the projected

sound levels are, and what the mitigation will do to those sound levels. >> wasn't looking for the inspector to go out as well. i wanted the details as well and be informative. >> whichever way we will it those are the questions that will be answered i think. >> by the way thermal insulation provides little sound insulation so if you want to use the assembly that the inspector showed us which are bat insulation versus you know coiled insulation it's entirely different. >> i'm learning in that direction as well but i do see a different -- kind of a different view of it commissioners. what was not mentioned this property is located on bush street and somewhere in the package i remember reviewing what decibel

ratings are and the ambee an street level is 110. i believe i read that in the package and the appellant and the permit holder are differ and at 60 -- >> no the appellant said 60 in this room when it was quiet. >> yeah but if you look at the fact it's a street and i drive down that street to get my wife and there is a fire station within a block and a half and a major hospital the block prior so that street is a bain of san francisco and similar to pine, cellar or oak and the amount of traffic on a daily basis is definitely going to exceed what the business is causing on the interior so i mean the sound traveling up through the walls i believe in that location that you're getting more sound from

your front window and it's a very loud street and goes 24/7. >> do we have a motion? >> continue. >> yeah so we should continue this we can verify what insulation was used or what sound proofing was used according to the plans as well as for both parties if they wish to submit sound analysis of decibels at various times of the day. >> okay. do you want to look at the calendar for a date?

>> how long would that take? does anybody have an opinion how long that would take to accomplish these things? >> we could get the plans right away. >>i think it's the sound analysis that will be more of an issue. >> [inaudible] >> yes. >> yes. >> [inaudible] >> okay. >> [inaudible] >> 60 days would be -- >> november; right? >> [inaudible] >> so it would be november. >> is 60 days reasonable or 45? >> 45. let's compromise on 45. i think that should be enough. >> [inaudible]

>> you can't speak. not right now. >> commissioners there are two meetings in november, the 13th and the 20. >> how about october 30. >> that has a lot of items on the calendar. >> i see that. okay. november 13. is that good? >> okay. >> so the motion is to continue to november 13 to have dbi verify what sound insulation measures have been used according to the plans and to allow both parties the opportunity to provide the board with third party analysis of decibel levels and mitigation options. >> just a minor change from that madam director. the building department will provide the detail for the two hour assembly, not sound. okay.

>> is that okay with you? >> yes. >> okay. >> are we talking about the approved plans commissioner fung? >> the revised plans. >> okay. >> so that ceiling detail from the plans is what you're asking for? >> yes. >> saying it more precisely than i did. >> okay. >> we have a motion from commissioner hurtado to continue this matter to november 13 of the public hearing has been held. and this continuance is to allow the permit holder to submit the approved plans to the board and to allow either party to conduct testing. >> and i would add both parties are allowed additional briefing and helpful to me and hopefully

to my fellow commissioners. >> one thursday prior. >> one thursday prior. >> simultaneous. >> how many pages? >> how many do you wish? >> not more than 10. >> and that would be exhibits. >> yeah. >> so additional briefing is allowed. one thursday prior is the due date for all parties. it is 10 pages of written arguments and exhibits and including acute cal results. on that motion to continue to november 13. commissioner fung. >> aye. >> president hwang. >> aye. >> vice president is absent. commissioner honda. >> aye. >> the vote is 4-0. this matter is continued to november 13. thank you. >> okay. thank you. so next i will call item 5a, b, c, d. those are four appeals dealing

with the property at 1050 valencia street and filed by the marsh and alicia gamez and for m. rutherford trust/shizuo holdings of a demolition permit and demolish one-story restaurant building with 2,000 square feet of ground floor area. two of these appeals are protesting the issuance for m. rutherford trust/shizuo holdings of a permit to erect a five-story, 12-unit apartment/retail/parking building with 3000 square feet on ground floor area. commissioners i understand that the -- one of the appellants -- ms. gamez's attorney steven williams would like to request rescheduling of this matter. there was a ceqa appeal filed

friday. i have received notice that appeal was deemed timely. >> okay. >> and i don't know if the other parties are in agreement or object to that request so if you would like you can hear the parties speak to that first. >> yeah. i think that would be appropriate, so given what we just heard from our chairperson i would like to hear on the issue solely on whether or not the continuance is acceptable or not. >> thank you. steven williams on behalf of the appellant. ceqa appeal was filed on thursday and i'm glad that ms. goldstein received it because we didn't receive it on a timely matter and it states it will do

that and traditionally the board has continued the items to the call of the chair once the ceqa appeal is filed and the basic reason is no one knows what is going to happen to the project. conceivably the project could be changed radically and this might all be a large waste of time, and i would add those are the only written procedures that we have is the city attorney's memo from that date. there are no other written procedures that govern this situation. >> thank you. >> okay. we can hear for ms. wiesman or her representative. >> so you want to hear if i agree to putting this off? >> yes. >> i agree. >> okay. we have the permit holder, or the permit holder's

agent. >> we would like to go forward. >> would you state your name. >> rutherford sponsor. >> do you understand the implications of going forward? >> yes, i do. >> okay. could you help me -- what are they? >> implications that we might be back down here again if the ceqa will go the wrong way. >> it will be muted. not back down here. a mute point. >> thank you. >> and mr. sanchez. >> thank you. scott sanchez planning department. the department would not oppose the rescheduling and differ to the board on this matter. i would like to take this opportunity to note it came to my attention this week we didn't submit the dr action memo and the planning department case report that were prepared last we're for the hearing so with the board would agree i would like to submit these for the record and also

to the parties. again these are materials that were prepared by the commission back in september, 2012. >> we will accept those. >> thank you. >> so commissioners if you entertain a motion to continue this then we need to take public comment on that. >> i would move to continue. >> well, we need the public -- >> you're going to explain a motion so it sounds like you're going to so we can take public comment. let me see a show of hands how many wish to speak on the matter of whether this is rescheduled? okay. so there is no public comment? there is no public comment then commissioners. >> okay. i would renew my motion to continue. >> i think there is good cause and it would be most efficient to allow that appeal to go forward before our hearing. >> okay. do you want to pick a date certain or do you want to

continue it to the call of the chair? >> i think we should do it to the call of the chair. >> okay. and i assume with the instruction it's recalendarred if there is a decision by the board of supervisors that doesn't over turn decision. >> yes. >> commissioner fung was that the kentucky fried chicken location? >> yes. >> okay. so we have a motion. mr. pacheco if you could please call the roll. >> we have a motion by commissioner hurtado to continue all appeals 5a, b, c, d and to the board's indefinite calendar and allow the ceqa appeal to go forward on the board of supervisors and awaiting on that outcome. on that motion to

continue to the call of the chair. commissioner fung. >> aye. >> president hwang. >> aye. >> vice president absent. commissioner honda. >> aye. >> the vote is 4-0. all matters are forwarded to the call of the chair for the ceqa review. >> thank you. we have no further business? >> no further business. >> the meeting is adjourned

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>> hello, my name is jamie harper. in this episode, we are featuring the park locations in your very own backyard. this is your chance to find your heart in san francisco with someone special. golden gate park's largest body of water is this lake, a popular spot for strolling and paddling around in boats, which can be rented.

created in 1893, it was designed foreboding and -- for boating. it is named for the wild strawberries that once flores. a pleasant trail follows the perimeter past huntington falls, 110 foot waterfall. two bridges connect the trail to the island. the climb to the hills summit, the highest point in golden gate park at more than four hundred feet. you can get quinces of the western side of the city through -- glimpes of the western side of city through a thick trees. the lake is ada accessible. it has a peaceful atmosphere where you can enjoy a warm day. walk along the lake and watched many ducks, and swans, and

seagulls. it is a tranquil spot to stroll, enjoy each other's company, and sail away. many couples come here to take a ride around the lake, floating under the bridges, past the pavilion and waterfall. for a quiet getaway, it makes for a memorable and magical experience. located on 19th avenue, this grove is the place to wear your hiking boots, bring your family, and bring the dog because it has so much to offer you and your loved ones. it is a truly hidden gem in the city. the part is rich with eucalyptus trees. long paths allow you to meander,

perfect for dog walking in a wooded environment. >> i enjoy this base and the history behind it. the diversity that exists in such an urban city, the concrete, the streets, cars, we have this oasis of a natural environment. it reminds us of what san francisco initially was. >> this is a section for dogs and plenty of parking. transit is available to get you there easily. and the part is ada -- park is ada accessible. there is also a natural lake. this is your chance to stroll and let the kids run free. it also has many birds to watch. it is the place to find some solitude from the city and appreciate what you share with a wonderful breath of fresh air.

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old lock cabin, golden gate park. and of course you can find more information and reach us at sfrecpark.org. okay. our final speaker is a friend a friend to the business community. a man who understands was it take to a create a job which is an investment. mayor ed lee is a person who have's brought a lot of stability to san francisco especially, after steady eddy were because ed has a background in administration and being tasked what getting things done and maneuvering through the san francisco policies. so to talk about the future of

san francisco from the mayors prospective and the city's prospective in relationship to continue to build our economy i want to introduce the mayor of the great city and county of san francisco. mayor ed lee (clapping) >> thank you. thank you for that introduction and good morning, everyone. i know you've gotten a lot of statistics their not only interesting and accurate but very guiding for what we need to do. thank you greg costco and bob and all of the members of san francisco chamber of commerce for extending this invitation and it's great to see a lot of the officials and