that. when we get people observing and sharing the strategies they're using, you see data, student work all over the tables whenever you encounter teachers having conversations around our bench mark assess. this is apart of the culture of learning and continuous improve. we want to encouragement and support across our schools hopefully as the climate gets better. i'm highlighting this because we need to invest in these where they exist and make investments on those because you're right. this works in school for particular sub groups then how can we get them into additional schools so they have the benefits of those resources. >> i move with the movement for the groups as well as the post

secondary link on the website. >> commissioner win >> thank you for the presentation. it was good. interesting and accessible. not too dense for those of us who don't want to look at the data right now. but we need to think a little bit and followup. i have a question about what's going to happen this year. so i'm interested in the -- here's what i've read. if we're lucky we'll be -- pilot for the english learners or for math but not for both, and further we have to or states can but i think districts can pay to have student information that would let you see how an individual student does. so i'm interested in what we're saying

about the whole assessment package. second i'm very interested in the the learning assessment that we're doing. that is what i want people to pay attention to. but i want to know what we're planning to do to help them to do that so i know what we've done is aimed at teachers and that kind of professional development. nobody is here to hear that. i won't be able to attend because i have an obligation but i'm hoping there's something there for parents to understand them. we need a campaign to educate the parents in particular about what it means to not get the same kind of information you've been getting in the past for several years that you're used to and seeking -- asking

questions, following up. and what kind of assessments you might get instead, how you can use them, what they're going to tell you and what this transition period is going to mean on the ground for parents and students. >> good questions commissioner win. let me give you a brief response and then i'll ask dr. connar. it's a moving target currently. that's part of the difficulty is that it's a moving target. with that said we have agreed by virtue of our quality system, we have agreed that we'll assess our students every year, so what we've advocated for is that if we know that the state of california is not going to fund the cst for all $1500 school

districts and we know that not all 1500 school districts are exposed or want to implement the english learners or math assessments, we know there should be funding for students that want to give both without having to pay for one of them. >> the state of california is not going to fund the cst for any school district. >> that's correct. >> the state isn't administering those this year or any longer and we're happy about that. we like that but -- go ahead. just to clarify that part. what you're saying is our effort is to say if you want to give it, you should fund both tests. >> for the smarter balance test which are pilot, they haven't been normed. and we're going

to learn from those pilot test. we think it's an important experience for our students to take those assessments, those tests because not only will they give us information about how to implement them but it will expose the difficulties with given this technology assessment as well which we think is valuable information. currently what the state has said if a school district want to give the smarter pilot assessment, they have to decide whether in english or math and the state will pay for one or the other. if you want to give them both you have to pay for the other half which we think is unfair. i was at several meetings with superintendent across the state of california where this is an issue for many of us. we continued to

advocate that we should be able to pilot both of those assessments this year without incurring additional cost to the district. with that said we are also in the process of having all of our teachers now make the switches to the common course state standards and the instrumental capacity that's going to be required to teach the standards. what that means for us is we're influx. what we're saying to parents is we'll have the resources and training available for parents to understand what those assessments are and what the implications are. parents should understand it's more important this year than ever to have a very tight communication with the teachers in their schools and to be asking for those common learning assessments. the third point that i think goes to your point is that we all think that it's a good idea not

to do the cst because they're not aligned to the common standards. that's good. but it creates issues for us on ground. for example part of our reclassification of english language learners and one the components is a cst score. absent to the cst score for two years and not having a valid reliable smarter balanced assessment, it throws dr. connar into a tailspin. how are we going to develop another indicator to give us that kind of data. some of our admissions to some of our schools is predicated upon the standardized test scores. there's a number of things that we use to test scores for. so we're in the process of actually looking at all of the implications for not having a cst and that's why it sounds a

little loose to say we don't quite know everything yet by we're in the process of kind of identifying all of the implications of that. >> if i may followup for a second. two things i still need to know. one is you say we're advocating for the state paying for us to do both pilots, not just one or other, but we still have to pay if we want results that are linked to students available to us or to parents, correct. and then second when you say which i appreciate and i don't expect them to answer to it now but we should get an answer when you say we have to tell parents that they have to pay attention to that, that's great, however, i want to know how we're going to tell parents. do we have a plan? i think of this as a campaign. we need a plan, an information sharing plan, a communication plan because we know we have big jobs to communicate a whole new system and we need to know how we're going to do that. not now but

soon. >> so i want to clarify the word "pilot test." what the state is doing is they're pre-testing the items. by pre-testing the items, they're going to select items that will comprise off a test. as of now they don't have a test in place. they're just testing the items. the field items has the content to the standards but there's a lot more that the items need to have to be put into a test. and as of now, yes it is very good practice for us as a district to expose students and the district staff both to the content and the format of the test. >> can i - i would like to suggest. this is a really hot topic and it's an interesting topic but i think it's one that

maybe at 10:00 at night, i would suggest that we take it to curriculum. >> because i have a lot more questions but i feel like i can see people are starting to welt. i jut think it would be better to move it to curriculum. dr. moros is that okay to put it on the next curriculum agenda? >> sure. >> great. >> are there any more questions about the achievement presentation that we saw putting aside the discussion of assessments for the curriculum committee. >> i just would like say one thing. it seems as though the resolution i put forward about common planning times sits nicely with what you're trying to do because how people will talk to each other, we don't set time for them. it must be planned and fiscal. i think we

should look at that again. i feel this is the thing that we're going to need at all school sites to move this forward >> we know dedicated time for our professions is good. we do have common planning time in place at almost every school whether it's through an early release day or i'm sorry, an early start or early release. we have teachers coming together and we want to support and encourage that. >> it has to be district wide because it's not just schools in some zones but schools all over because we are all going to a common core exactly. >> okay. thank you very much. >> i really appreciate the presentation. there's more to come. >> all right. we are now going

to move onto item n, consent calendar review. there are none. vote on the consent calendar which was moved and seconded under section f. yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are only on item o. >> mrs. wilson would have mentioned that we needed the vote to extend the meeting. we never really do that. >> thank you very much. and thank you mrs. wilson where ever you are. i would like to entertain a motion to extend the meeting. >> extend the meeting to complete the meeting. >> no. >> sorry. >> all right. we're moving on. >> i meant no, really. >> we really have to have a roll call. do you want to roll call vote. >> we're not going to win anyways. it doesn't matter.

>> a noted statement. strong disagreement. item o, consent californiaen der. >> mrs. mcdonald. >> yes, accept on items k, 13 and 15 because they're retro active. >> mrs. wins. >> i accept k through 14. >> mrs. norton. >> yesment. >> thank you. >> okay. item p consent calendar resolution, there were none tonight. thank you commissioners. item q, superintendent, there are none. item r, commissioner has a proposed add and has asked us to vote to suspend the rule. may i hear a motion on

suspending the rule? >> second. >> roll call. >> suspension may ward. >> hanny. >> yes. >> mendosa. >> yes. >> i. >> mrs. win. >> i. >> norton. yes. >> all right. may i hear a motion and is a second for a formal introduction entitled support -- in support of the family work place ordinance. >> so moved. >> thank you. >> thank you. dr. marsa will you read us the resolution. >> i like to read resolve clause and give a summary of what this is about. it be resolved and encourages the san francisco family fund work force ordinance by the board of superintendents. there's a proposal by the board of superintendents to give employees of organizations with 20 employees or more the right

to request a flexible schedule. it's not a guarantee. that request can be denied by the employer for a number of business related reasons but it gives employees the right to request it. it's modeled after laws in the united kingdom, other countries where it has been successful and i really believe that families in our school district could benefit from this. they can be more active in their children's lives. be apart of the school community and that's why i'm bringing this forward. >> i thought that was the summary. >> okay. i'm sorry. thank you dr. marsa. we have one speaking card. i don't know if he's here. james powers.

>> sorry about that. any board comments or discussions? >> yes, doctor. >> mendosa mcdonald. >> i was curious and i don't know if you know this. with regards to our own school district, i think it's great for our employees but for our employees, what's been our policy on this and will it have financial img pact. we're like the second largest employer in the city. >> my understanding who will correct me if i'm wrong is this will not apply to the district employees because we're a state agency. and it's for san

francisco employers: >> there's a lot of parents who are teachers so my question is it wouldn't -- the ordinance wouldn't apply to our teachers and so i'm wondering what policies are. >> i know as a school district we have it and that's when the kids are there and at the central office and i can tell you from personal experience as a general council i many

currently have employees on flex schedules because i've figured out a way to do comdate. that's one section of the section. it's legal to do that. accept with a meeting at 6:00. we're voting on this. this shouldn't affect us unrelated to this proposal. it could make a decision on whether or not you want to be supportive of this because it

wouldn't affect our employees. >> the second is two weeks after that. >> president made some amendments to it, is that correct too? >> initially it was applied to employees of ten employees or more but after speak with small business and with the chamber

that was narrowed to employers of 20 or more. there's no appeal process which is a bone of contention among employer group. >> do we know if there's plans for any other amendments. we don't know that. what we're asking us is to support it in its current state with the amendment that we put forward. >> it was before the land use committee and it had quite a bit support. >> thank you.

>> we took on the item of renaming on we're on item s. standing committees, and membership organizations. dr. moras will you report on student assignment. yes, we met on wednesday september 11 we with four information items. it was finding research questions investigating how district policy shaped the distribution. there was a very interesting finding that if we focus on trying reduce the number of racially isolated schools that actually -- families tended to vote a certain pattern, our assignment process a, address the issue of isolation and tried to break down some of that isolation but what families ultimately chose was something more towards

isolation rather than what the process generated. >> under the no child left behind we're in transition. there's no -- it will be a tie breaker in the process and then we had not determined a date yet for future meetings. >> thank you. commissioner hanny. would you like to update us on the committee rules meeting. >> we had a couple of items in a major informational item. the action item we heard about

the status of our district position, legislative position and our bills. we have many bills on the govern's desk. at the next meeting we'll hear what happened with that. that was a big conversation about the bills on the desk. we had a couple that were signed. we took a position. >> we had mrs. bryant seeking some sort of direction on how we like to do that. we like to appoint a representative of the board to the policy council and then have to a regular

reporting schedule that the board -- that the policy council has, the head start poll see council has to us both written and on regular basis to present to us. the revised board of education policies, we put forward the employee sexual harassment with a positive recommendation and then with board policy 1220 the advisory board, there was no changes, so there's no amendments to that. the information item we had was city college and sfusd programs and collaboration updates. we had a number of folks from our district and from city college who were there to report on the staft us of those programs despite the questions of accreditation. we're building on the things we've done over the last couple of years with gateway college to bridge of

success. one thing that we saw a drop. there was concern about that and a lot of questions about how we address that. and we communicate to our students and our families that city college is open and a credited and they should be enrolled in city college and that was an important thing we wanted to emphasize and better communicate that to our family and students. but obviously we got an update on the situation with city college of accreditation and emphasize the importance of sfusd and the board having a voice in anything that happened at city college moving forward particularly as any kind of programs, changes or anything that would affect our students and families that we have a voice in that and we advocate

in those. any questions. >> i wanted to clarify what the committee talked about with the head start counsel, when he said we discussed the idea of the board having a recommendation, that's a member of the board of education which is not how we normally would do that. that is something that would need to be -- if we, you know, say yes so that would find out how to appoint that. >> thank you. commissioner, will you give us a report. >> the budget committee had one item which was commissioner hanny's course, resolution and there was -- while there was some fiscal analysis, it recognizes that the real implications of finances which can be considerable are the

idea which is yet undefined about expanding course operation and when we would offer more courses in particular small high schools. >> excuse me. the staff is getting rowdy in the back. >> we plan to work on some revisions that will address some of those issues. and since it was postponed this evening we have more time to work on that. we still will have -- it will come to the board when they come to us, unknown cost down the road but that will depend somewhat on what we -- the changes we make or how we clarify what we mean

by expanding offerings. that was the only action item. we talked about the administrative k. i ask the staff to come back with trends. they might see what's happening there. we get the list but for the rest of the board, we haven't seen any irregularities but we like to know what we're learning for having a higher level of resolutions and money that's a probed administratively without our vote. we had an update on the formula. was this provided to all the members of the board. no. >> yes, i believe so. the hand outs are in the budget committee. >> no, these. these were provided to us. they come from our advocates by deputies superintendent liso. if you're interested in that and i provided this evening to the deputy superintendent to the

members of budget committee and to the president of the board, this packet which is from a presentation that they've been doing up and down the state. >> maybe we can make packets for all board members. i think that would be beneficial. >> i didn't make these for these people. i was going to ask if we can make copies for the rest of the members of the board. >> as we learn about the formula, they'll go on. we'll discuss this regularly and increase and we hope the whole board is knowledgeable. the board won't meet in october. we postponed our september meeting. instead we will have

our regular scheduled meeting november 6th i think is the day, correct. that's the next meeting. thank you. >> any other announcements. the committee meeting tomorrow at 6:00. we have one item only. the meeting will probably last an hour. and it's about an update on the diversity of our work force at sfusd. classified, administrative and certificate. >> i'm hoping less than an hour if the committee members are prompt. okay. >> thank you. i wanted to do a couple of quick shout outs. i want to thank supervisor farra who hosted a wonderful fundraiser last week, two weekends ago. it was a great succeswe