and no alcohol on the premises. >> commissioners, i think if the commission wants to restrict the sale of alcohol on this site we recommended you make a condition or a,of course or two reminded to the impact of that. whether it's hours or an appropriate, you know, land use impacts or whatever it might be it's highly recommended you make a land use finding, if you will, for the restriction of alcohol >> i'm going to restrict it because kitty corner across the street we proved approved a liquor store license about a one hundred feet away.

so it's because of the transmission and i want to raise a couple of of things >> could you repeat that. >> i'd like to make a couple of other supporting comments regarding land use now or make the comments right away. there was a second by commissioner wu and while i think that maybe we're a little bit all over the board on this one >> i think the c public works m v there's a clear need for a 24 pharmacy and even if there recent a pharmacy inside the building with various carriers it's important to have a variety of walgreens and whoever else. with the store being open, you

know, on van ness avenue it's a highway and one of the places in san francisco we can support and i've said it before it's on a major corridor like van ness possibly lombardy and market and that's okay. it's a 24 street. so far as alcohol sidelines wine and beer is ongoing but a reasonable hour 24 hour sales is not necessarily e necessary until 2:00 a.m. so it adds viability to have it open twenty-four hours arrest >> commissioner wu. i am open to the 24 if we have the alcohol restriction. my concern is the twenty-four hours is the restriction of

alcohol but i see the pharmacy is necessary >> can i provide you with a little bit of history on the neighborhood? can i come up? >> you guys want to hear this now. >> if you don't mind hold that for one second. >> just to clarify i'm okay with twenty-four hours it's beer and wine so i think this isn't cvs isn't driving a lot of the problems on polk street but their lifetime to selling alcohol on 2:00 a.m. >> just so you know that typically doesn't have hours of operation only from the

authorization of the trader joe's that's why there's a limit open the hours. in terms of alcohol hours of operation you can't sell alcohol between 2 and 67 so it would be 2 to 6 would be prohibited under state law under the license tag >> somebody brought up the security guard is that part of the plan to have that in the overnight hours? >> so, yes and we were aware of this concern leading into this. we discussed this. what i would say is if cvs choices to go to a twenty-four hours process gentlemen cvs

would be open to the security guards and the security cameras >> and just to clarify that are already security cameras as part of the plan regardless of twenty-four hours. >> i'd be supportive of that from 10 to 6 and, you know, i'm comfortable with the alcohol sales if they're limited to beer and wine and the limited floor space and limited to 2:00 a.m. and if the pharmacy stays if i go twenty-four hours some close the pharmacy but the pharmacy has to remain open whether the store is open >> yes. i have let me ask you about the alcohol sales at the beginning the presentation it was you or one of the staff

members that said we don't need to make a decision on that today is that your request. >> that's exactly right we need to go through the process with the board of supervisors and we've intended that conversation to continue. >> okay. thank you that gives me clarity. i would be fine with wine and beer. it's a convenience store and sometimes you want to pick up a six-pack of beer and not want to go someplace else and it's restricted by the hours finds liquor and wine. it's also my feeling it's not the, you know, fact the alcohol is available whose there buying it and how is it policed.

there's some bad players from the exciting markets that actually try to get as many sales to people who shouldn't be buying this product and if done responsibly there's other stopover selling products is insignificant. i'm against the idea of limiting beer and wine. the 24 issue kaiser pharmacy is open from 7 to 8 especially at their main pharmacy and on french incumbrance i think from 8 to 6 very limited. so you know it's a lot of times i would be surprised if cal specific has a 24 pharmacy.

they'll have some sort of thing if the patient has a need they'll take care of that. so i'm speaking against the motion and if it fails i'll be happy to make one that includes the twenty-four hours and the other thing about the security >> commissioner moore. >> when the sutter project was approved it was approved in the spirit to find a capable use to find the historic all uses and give it an ability to form it as a neighborhood. the particular product concluded that the retail stays on the dprv for the question was

subdivided into smaller pieces. when trader joe's came along and we had long discussions about the larger grocery stores operating in this space we all agreed that because it was a retail use and because it was filling a inch for grocery stores and food services we were comfortable it have a food store move in there. however, i don't believe that the new prepares of a larger number of pharmacies that this particular project and the conditions under which is tries to operate is in those commentary of the original van ness plan. it doesn't sport the residential it's a convenience store that's

not the key idea of why we for years and years trite to transform van ness. so far as the comments on land use the lower and upper polk for the last few years have spent a lot of time to try to restrict alcohol sales for restaurants paifshl because the neighbors in those two neighborhoods ease plus everybody you surrounding them was impacted by the dearbitrates of the commercial corridor as well as the joining neighborhood that i live next door to it 1968 i believe consistently with the supervisors very carefully look at additional places wanting to sell liquor. why so-called are we fovkt about

the joipt places. i cannot support the liquor license nor the 24 operation when we have high residential above i won't want to live on on top of that. i see it walking up van ness what happens in front of the of the other formula retail pharmacy the walling green see east. the security guard optional keeps those people panhandling outside the door but can't go anything about what happens on the sidewalk. that's only going to further the noise. we all know very well there's a large threat for people who

pickup prescription medication to go out at night. it doesn't add any i kind of security or adding the security guard and cameras the 24 hours pharmacy is not something i'm going to support >> can i 60's ask is the entrance on the sidewalk is there an entrance from the parking lot garage into the store? >> good afternoon chair fong and members manufacture i'm the project manager from the customer parking garage sub service garage it leads to a shared lobby internal 0 to the space as well as the door you indicated on the corp.

>> there's two enterprises. so at night you might be able to pull into the garage and enter through the center of the building >> that's correct. >> commissioner. if i could produce that map on the screen >> so this idea of over concentration. here's the subject site and here's the blue circle are where they're currently type of 20 and 21 licenses that is where what the cvs is applying for there are two such licenses. if you want to talk about offer transmission you'll want to talk about an area that happens in >> well, i'm happy to refer to that map and the blue dots that

show the licenses within, you know, a couple of the blocks we're talking about. god i don't know if it will pass by the motion stands so far as i'm concerned and i'm going to a vote against the motion i support the twenty-four hours. commissioner >> i don't have the crime statistics from the 50s or 40s i have an old picture and i can spot 5 establishment that having had the acholic beverages but i always felt the number you have it's not that but how it's policed. i'm against the motion because

of the twenty-four hours and if i make a subject motion i'll be silent on the motion of acholic beverages and we'll talk that up later >> i think that if i'm willing to forego the 24 hours but not willing to forego the liquor licenses i'll mainstream the hours but no liquor sales and i don't think the planning commission should advocate it's responsibilities as we're being asked by the project sponsor and cast off to the arena of the

commissioner. i think the commissioner are well aware of the responsibility it has to address that issue >> commissioner wu. >> i'm echo wiokay with the am motion. >> i don't think we're advocating. mined we'll approve this project silent on beer and wine at this time and it would have to go back to cvc and come back to us so we have to make a motion today >> no, no it wouldn't come back to you. abc has identified this as an area of over a transmission the project sponsor can ask to have it over ridden so when the pc n

would have to be heard by the board of supervisors and they'll have to allow the utilities >> well, if increases a sunset motion the end result will be the same but if some commissioners want to have a vote put it as part of the motion. >> commissioner moore. >> and i'm not the the board of supervisors will ask us to comment on it for looking at land use and it's appraisement i appropriate land uses. >> and yeah, we deal with the concentration within the planning code. i don't think the beer and wine from pharmacies are generally, the problem. we've day and night with this and have impacted actual

restaurants tourism and it wouldn't be fair to look at it any differently >> commissioners there is a motion and a success second and with the modification to allow the twourdz is there a motion to tie it to the pharmacies. >> yes. >> are you saying that the project sponsors representing the pharmacy would be open wherever the store is open. >> yes. when the steer is open. >> does the motion say no alcohol? >> the motion as is stands is no alcoholic sales at. location. >> and did commissioner you want to add if it goes to twenty-four hours to add security guard. >> i think the alcohol is not

the problem but i think security is did i want and they should provide that in the overnight hours. >> good idea. >> that's fine. >> okay. so we're going air-conditioned security and cameras. i'm concerned with no alcohol for us as the store operators own sense of what he needs but not our dictating he has to have security. but since the alcohol has been eliminated i think the owner needs to determine that. i'm a little bit weary. what does the city attorney have

to say about that >> kate from the city attorney's office. i think if the commission has articulated concerns about security in the neighborhood unities if you're thinking the security guard will not only in the store or outside the store in the neighborhood. i'm not sure what the commissions concern is >> it's fairly typical i mean the security inside and around the store. we've done it before and with other stores and your condition would be there be security on site that operates in the store and around the adjacent >> around mint to 6:00 a.m. hours it might be specified so they don't have to operate

security only if they operate twourgz. from 6:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m. okay >> well, i'm kind of with commissioner moore. if they need it they'll provide s it but if the rest of the commission wants to have 10 to 6 that's fine >> are you amending the motion. >> yes. and just in terms of endorse ability of a condition that we have a human open site (laughter) at specific hours it's something well cameras can be put on plans. >> okay. >> commissioner. >> yeah. i would favor that if we have to make it a finding and not conferring condition but i'm voting against this particular

motion but if we get one i can vote for we want project sponsor to have is a security guard present the evening hours and something like police special patrol they take care of the store but cruise the neighborhood and since they have uniforms similar to the sfpd you don't have to use that but that's the kind of thing that would be most effective. just because you're not going to have alcohol doesn't mean people don't do bad things >> commissioners there a motion and a second - >> sorry do you want to respond. >> yes. i understand what you're saying and we're comfort

if you gives or don't give us hours but if it goes twenty-four hours we're going to provide the security guards. i want to make a clarification here if you give me an opportunity >> do you have the floor to ask for classification. >> yes. >> just looking for clarification in the area of the acholic beverage sales when we were here before the determination was that a condition couldn't be place on it prohibiting alcohol and hearing commissioner moore's comments they not give up their

decision my question is moving forward is this an advisory condition to the board to suggest they do not allow or simple a prosecution prohibition for clarity sake. >> i might have to ask the city attorney. if we didn't favor beer and wine sales is it advisory or a condition or does the decision have to be made at the board of supervisors >> commissioners tests up to the commission whether or not you want this to be an advisory part of a finding or to make that a condition because you don't see that a condition at

this site of alcohol is w56r7b9d at this site but at any time really up to the commission to determine how it wants to condition that's conditional use permit. >> thank you. there are a couple more speakers but i'm going to vote against this project it has indoor partnering and there's a need for a 24 pharmacy i would be in support of beer and wine to a reasonable hour at night. this is a side denim san francisco is closed quite earlier and i don't stay up to the wee hours of the night but after diner and i want to pick up bananas or cereal so if san

francisco wants to become a greater city and i this you all see the city changdz people are working twenty-four hours a day under any circumstances it's not a 9 to 5 society anymore so combleer in certain areas where we go 24 hours commissioner borden >> one final thing about the cvc. people pay off neighborhood grasps to get a liquor licensing license or to detriment the neighborhood. we see them far too ouch and i would prefer your supporting the

cvc prior already and not holding that over your heads >> commissioner moore. my understanding is it's a condition as stand not an advisory >> commissioner if there's nothing else further this is a condition of approval not advise to the board of supervisors. >> we we would add the condition of the land use in the district. >> yes. >> commissioners so that the condition of approval would prohibit alcohol and require the pharmacy stay open all hours of operation twenty-four hours with security between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. with additional finding to be modified from the

city attorney's office to the motion. on that motion commissioners (calling names) >> commissioners that motion passes 4 to 3. commissioners can we move on? commissioners item 189 has been withdrawn which will take us to 20 a and b for case numbers d and v at the 225 santa ana avenue and request for

variances. >> good afternoon, members of planning commission. planning staff on behalf of the southwest leader mr. washington presents a discretionary view requests for the property at the 225 santa ana avenue. the proposed work to the current single-family dwelling includes to lift the existing house up by approximately 2 feet in order to convert the current under developed garage to be an inhabitual floor and also an additional at the southeast corner of the building. that is in the yard and is subject to a variance.

the c r was filled by the property owner of 2 hundred 20 san bernardino way behind the subject property. the application has already been included in the packet and basically, the requester is concerned biologist the house up by 2 feet would effect their view of the second floor rear windows. and secondly, the operation of the house without resulting an inner construction that is not comparable with the neighborhood in terms of building scale. the department also received several additional support les