makes private label belts for any belt out of macy's or norton's it's made in a company in united states bay view and trader engineering has a manufacturing capacitate has pretty much you've got belts you never think of food and beverage and beer is food and engineering >> and the biggest employer in san francisco it's not your member i mean, i presume there are tons of mustard here and i think we're a relatively small city we have about 90 percent or 95 percent of the manufacturers that are participating as made members but we have this new

edge that companies see themselves as highbreds of manufacturing who that haven't affiliated with the group. i know that typing machines is a great example we're literally upstairs near to each other we warned over and wanted to know what you do. so we have a whole many sort of push to engage the newest mustards. we had a round table before this and one of the things that came up was maker didn't represent what we do their associated with hobbies and by the time you get to our scale we're manufacturing companies and, you know, are we

still part of the maker industry what part of that line got crossed. maybe the word maker is almost eliminating the bigger companies because they don't feel that's their community anymore. do you feel you've graduated out of that movement >> 3 of the core family members of our company met at or because of noise bridge which is a hawker space. and as a result we're the kind of people that talk about what does maker mean and for a while we almost started to dislike it because we saw it and thought these things are great but we want to be better than that. it's awesome that you're a home mom who is doing that amazing

things with before me imbrodie things but the danger of using the maker blashlt term you lose the sense of theirs something beyond that. you're going on to be a fashion deserve or an engineering and i think that maker describes a certainty mindset and it becomes so broad that's maker. no, no, no this is a phenomenal start >> it has an amateur connotation. >> yes. but in a good way we shouldn't be afraid of that. >> i think that maker and maker space as a word to inspire youth to want jobs but making

manufacturing never went away. maker movement a little bit like william morrison after the revolution they wanted to have more craft and design it wasn't a great movement unfortunately. i think the maker movement might be i want it to be successful but manufactured never went away. i think the second largest company in the united states people spent a lot of time in their garage making hot rods. i classify them in the continuous of the maker movement. so to inspire young kids the

real prize its precision. adding manufacturing is a destruction from the amazing things that's going on which is robotics and we're going to make much higher quality at similar costs and to emphasize what might be the engine that drives this. large-scale manufacturing someone who sells products to a manufacturer and that manufacturer makes components and part and they make a profit and the retail makes a profit so one point they're all making 20 to 40 percent it's a big multiplier on the cost. what type of it automation is cheap you can have a finished

permit and you earn all those margins so there's more room because their into the unsold margin that's the revolution and that's why design is important because you're going to make high-end products particularly in san francisco that's why it's going to work >> can you name the revolution if you don't like maker do you have a better name. >> if this has to be under the maker movement i love that that playfullyness is creative by it does lack a certain rigor requirement to build a product on schedule. i hope it amateurs and there's nothing wrong with one being our innovation and one being your

invocation. it's like manufacturing and the maker movement and you're saying that the precision it cheaper it's cheaper to get access to finances >> can you make a it is an at the rebranding of the maker movement. >> i think this is funny i see the strum. i head up our design and technology category i see it from a spectrum where people are in the basement who want to make those beautiful notebooks into the hands of people and it graduates to the next step your

a a business owner then you have a business and then a corporation that's trying to release the product that's the fourth category we see it's neat to see the spectrum but >> markers will get you on to indigo go but eunow you're trying to get off. >> i want tow mention envy prospective there are maker movement that are phenomenal and it's down to think individual their curious about it they can prototype it and there's a lot of educates out there you don't have to have moifldz dollars so all the tools to make that

possible is at the core of what the maker movement is for me. so with respect to our company when i'm talking to the fcc about getting our licenses to communities with satellites in space we're a solid company not like a maker company but internally we're occurring we're full of engineers and scientists that have tools at the their disposal. so i think we would self-identify internally as markers. >> beware i think he's posed to answer this so chris has the title for his next book (laughter). >> the nature come

punctuation. >> he has a book and if the employees know what's good for them it's next door. other questions from the audience, please. there's a microphone right there >> so we kind of all noticed how america communes 25 percent of the workforce whatever. i'm curious how you guys think about the maker movement whatever is effecting the way people consume and what's the introductory of how the maker movement is going and a can i take a quick stab on this.

so we've got my kids i have 5 kids and their been growing up with prints and this weekend we made dollhouse future and downloaded things and it's fair to say we'll never buy a toy again no more than mass produced plastic from wal-mart. can we print it and make it that is it's still plastic but the relationship with the plastic has changed in consumer to creator and they love it. so everyone says the 3-d persistently eliminates waste. so in some because it produces

for waste but you xherz consumers who are involved and they're so which better informed and see the change coming from the bottom where people a lot of people, you know, desktop 3-d printers has used materials that have issues but at the same time people are really paying attention that's a bio degradeable produce so people are starting to care - you >> i think those preprinting things you can say that

traditionally manufacturing is more efficient and that's said how might they produce less waste only if you spent a huge amount of time designing these things and it prevents you from buying other thing and if the objects you create have a personal relationship to you that i start totion the larger universe which you what i want to keep this precious thing i built it. it's unclear that people are making those high-end thing. and this is not very robust those permits for use.

the z corporation actually saw this and had the rapid scene glue and it was entirely recycle it's okay to have printers print chocolate so wu you can't have a machine that's easily recycled materials interest we have to make high quality materials that last longer >> the term consumer is something that's very impersonal; right? and part of the maker movement, if you will, is changing that relationship between who made it and who uses it. i think that's quite profound.

the efficiency of costs; right? the 1.2 to the power of 5 going from the person and the deserve and telling their story on indigo go and making the sheriff deputy arrested of the product. i think that would allow for people to be more conscious and aware of what they do consume and are a part of the comet life cycle >> on the - i think there's also the challenge though that so much of the rest of this country and world relies on mass market direction on how they get out the products. we see the glimmer and the transparency in middle america

that rely on wal-mart to buy groceries i believe that having mass directions as a structural entity is problematic and unlocating the potential of this. i read this weekend is wal-mart going to adopt organic and the beau power of wal-mart can push the things but we're talking about the vail set of american are americans it's not about having immediate gratification but maybe it's okay to wait a few weeks to get our machine and say how it's made in the video and not on the shelf of a wal-mart. the effort is on us to make the

change with the structural paramount >> i wanted to thank you both. one of the things and i want - so with sf made having a job board i just think that rocks. in talking about the san franciscans in economic development sense is amazing kate. i've been out with kate we're out talking to impervious and scaling down the amount of entrepreneurs in san francisco. my question goes to both of you and everyone else. how do we scale that type of entrepreneurship in places like bay view and not just a bunch of

folks roej to bay view but the entrepreneurs that are across the hub to take village of those wonderful resources and case to capital and be able to work with the city on permitting and a business licenses and things of that nature. >> i feel like i'd like to hear from you first - yeah, i'm putting that back on you. >> i think sue this is one of my best friends and we've been working on talking about the innovation and how does it scale for the people in the cities and one of our latest you ventures is being able to tie it together so you have a package so when

someone calls you there's city services you know p you have to have our permitting and business license and there's access to capital right away so if i called you and i'm someone in the bay view what can i get from you sf made to plug into the system. >> there's so much thought and has that g been going into the bay view. one of the channels we're set up to start working with folks when they're almost a manufacturer they've got a product and a business plan and i think one of the fundamental challenges in the bayview is it starts a lot earlier than that and we're ill equipped to help.

although there's other organizations. i think the power of place, you know, if you could emulate a place it would be a good start. >> i'll make it from personal experience if i hadn't of gotten involved the company wouldn't exist. >> i want to hand this to sally have two elementary school children and will be a maker in a lot of reasons because her brain is wiertd differently. so it doesn't start in middle school but starts in the beginning. >> i think you that i believe in

child labor (laughter) (clapping). >> which incidentally i do. i think all of us need to feel uflsz. the reason the maker movement has love power is because people want to feel useful. the kids need to feel useful too so i believe we should start, you know, they don't have to make products for the full companies but i think that maybe accident point kate was talking about we were ill-fated because of the problems with washington, d.c. but have a nationwide curriculum for high schools that put in 3 d's printers and c and c miles and something lining

like a lazer cutter and have curriculum that goes on with the white board or to make a 3-d print around any curriculum. do i really know we have an opportunity to reform schools it's a lot harder then that by you believe in that for schools it might be the ill faded for one laptop per child is not going to solve all the problems but still that i don't think that's the only answer. i think that far more interesting is how people get hired in the contemporary world.

is the reason we hire people to their preordainment so your likely to get a job from me with actually physical skills than a great alex education. probably the biggest thing would be to moving the assessment of kids across the nation in all grades to portfolio based assessment that is far better you can get more. so all of the above. and as early as >> with regards to education. >> okay. we have two more minutes to have two more

questions. >> i'm from berkley. we have a lot of markers in the east bay it 80 would be great to have better communication. my question is how can - what are a couple of things we can communicate back and forth ambassador when you look at a scale what's the population of shin shin how their economy can we really afford. it's so easy to think based on bus routes in our daily lives how do we act more like a region >> i think it's an abject you failure if we look like shrink shrink. i'm completely with chris, you

know, it should be this bay area in our office we're working with people in washington and and new york it's already beyond the bay area. more than half of my employees commute from the east bay or south bay or north bay pr sadly to the point you should higher folks from the pointed of living in the city i have 35 people who was born in the city and county of san francisco that lives near. i understand your requester honestly the cheatness and availability of conference and tools like a hub make it easier

to get a job it's not demographics. the reason you have hiring here is because it's san francisco but it's not going to be a good place for back manufacturing >> how many people in this room were born in san francisco. all right. 4 human resources how many people went to college in the bay area so i presume all of the rest of you are imports. how many people have children that were born here? >> how many people worry about the lottery system. i think we have one more question. can you actually walk up to the mike right here. oh, did you have a question?

yeah. right here >> one question i would like to ask you technology has made corruption much easy and if you could ask san francisco what policies would make it easier either the city level or national level what are some of the careers from the police society who what would it be. >> access to variable place is access to the city. >> take anything that the republicans say i'm not a republican but i pay too much payroll taxi want more faintly business. but education america went work

out doubt from the best education to almost god awesome now. we still have the best education in america and quality out of the graduate school is great but national level education is required a lot of the work we do out of the lab is in the energy spates. at the scale you want to effect the economy one of the revolutions is going to be the transfer from a economist economy. there's a lot of manufacturing in that and we don't have policies on robotics to make those things.

so things are much bigger in the maker movement in terms of impacting the economic we're not having consistent policy >> the carbon basis life form i'm concerned. >> you've been replaced by a robot. >> i have a couple of things one is at a simplistic level. there's this rhetoric we need to reforearm the defeat it's a global economy and when you look at the parts and supplies and protection policies that seems like a good idea until you realize you're using parts from

all over the accruing world. and the granted program be reapplied into a national program that comploiz the income to smaller companies to give people on-the-job training >> terrific. >> for the next may mayor. i want to give us reductions to what is written here in big letters free wine. this is the after party it's on 25 mission go left on howard and left on first and left on mission 925 mission.