is accessible. other cities that went to requiring meter payment found it did help increase turnover. philadelphia is one of those major examples, but in my own town of st. louis also. i checked with some of my family and one runs a sheltered workshop so they are finding it's okay. but we're not suggesting this be done freely. we're suggesting that meter payment exemption ought to be coupled with a requirement that a town, city, county, could only do this if the parking technology was fully accessible so there's an if and only if before you can get to a possible local decision, and again this is all local option we're suggesting the state authorize. okay, so nobody would be forced to do anything. if the

state passed this authorizing legislation it would still have to come back to any consider that wanted to consider it for their own local decision-making process so there would still be lengthy hearings here or elsewhere. . >> this next recommendation is to direct revenue to accessibility improvements and what's pictured on the screen is an audible pedestrian signal. this is one example of a disability improvement that could be eligible for these funds. the committee felt very strongly that if we were going to be asking people to pay at meters, if we were basically going to be taking something from them in exchange for giving them access to more access ipbl parking places, then that revenue needed to be directed specifically to accessibility improvements. now in order to decide how those funds should be used, what we would ask the mta or other local jurisdictions and cities do is to actually track

the funds separately and to work with the disability community to come up with a list of improvements that are most relevant. there are a lot of different options. one of the options we've even heard about and talked about is doing better public outreach so people have an understanding when they misuse a parking placard they are actually depriving people of the spaces that they need when and where they need it and that they are committing more than just a ticketable crime but really harming somebody. we felt that the policy recommendations need to focus on increasing access and not necessarily revenue collection. >> our all right recommendation is to establish reasonable time limits to take away the unlimited time allowed to park currently. placard

holders, 4 hour time limits at regular blue meters unless the posted time limit is longer and again local option could determine differently. but in cities that did have time limit options of 3 or 4 hours, they found they were pretty much able to do whatever it is they wanted to do, see a movie, go to dinner, whatever their issue, the time limit did not compromise their ability to function as they wished. separate from all this, though, there's a special subset in green zones, in meters. those often are paid for by the merchant and yet state law said you can park with a blue placard in a green zone until a street cleaning or some other reason needs to have that curb space vacated so the merchants aren't really getting benefit for what they are paying for. we're suggesting placard holders should be able to stay in a green zone up to

30 minutes, exclusive of the time it might take me or somebody else to get out of the vehicle and exclusive of the time it takes me or somebody else to get back in the vehicle. so 30 minutes plus exit and entry time, which ought to be enough for what a green zone is meant for, to go in and get your dry cleaning, pick up your mail, whatever the quick errand is, 30 minutes we think ought to be enough. to our surprise and greatfulness, the small business commission when we did a presentation, they decided to enforce this program. we didn't ask anybody for endorsements but they did. we also got strong positive comments when we presented to the council of district merchants. so there's already an existing body of groups that are hearing of this, especially the reasonable time limits and saying, okay, go ahead, see what happens. but we want to stress again local jurisdictions have the option of instituting time

limits. we're suggesting minimum of 4 hours for regular spaces and 30 minutes for green zones. i'll let carla finish. >> this next slide represents our next steps. over the last 6 months a core group of us have been doing significant community outreach. we've given over 21 presentations and of those 21, 11 were targeted specifically at disability and senior advocacy groups and boards and commissions. just to give you a flavor, we've been before the mayor's disability council, the muni modal accessibility advisory council, the department of aging and adult services committee, the long-term care coordinating council, we made a presentation at the independent living resource center, the paratransit coordinating council, we had two public forums, one ever them was hosted by the fdr democratic

club and another was hosted down at the sfmta and the mayor's office on disability. we've been to the aging and adult services commission, alameda county services commission, senior mobility workshop. but outreach is on-going. what we've been using this time to do really is to gather some constructive comments. let me talk briefly about the next steps. the mta has already taken steps to implement the items under local control including the blue zones that we talked about earlier, as well as increasing the staffing for the parking control officer unit that handles placard misuse and today what we are seeking from you from the board of directors is a resolution. our calendar says we would be going to the board of supervisors as well but we decided it's better to wait on the board of supervisors until if until the state has acted on this legislation. because as you

heard bob say earlier, what we are really seeking is to allow to advance to the state legislative agenda for a change in state law that would allow local control for a city like san francisco to roll out a program like this, but before any city could roll out a program like this, there would have to be a set of local rule making involving this board in the future. at the earliest a sfailt bill could be introduced would be 2014 and the earliest it could go into effect would be 2015 so state legislation won automatically change local time limits or meter payment policies, we would have to do that locally. so let's talk a little bit about what we've heard at the public outreach because i think that's key and it's what our board chair mentioned at the beginning of the meeting. we received a lot of constructive feedback. most of the

commentors supported increasing the oversight of placard approval and increasing the number of blue zones. again going back to our best practices what waech learned is that those elements in and of themselves haven't been successful in other cities at truly transforming the situation, so that's why we have additional recommendations. and it seems like the most common form of placard misuse is actually one where you have a legitimate placard holder but then you have a family member or a friend who has chosen to take advantage of the opportunity for the free and unlimited parking and that they are often times the people who are misusing placards. it's not as many that we're seeing people with disabilities somehow frauding or gaming the system, it's really more the people are misusing it because there's a financial incentive. some xhepb commentators who expressed support this removing

the meter payment but others have been in opposition and the opposition has been in connection with the effect on low income seniors and people with disabilities. the meter exemption reduces access to parking and part of that is because not all people using placards actually are low income. it is true that 50 percent of people with disabilities in san francisco do have a low income but if you combine the people with disabilities with the low income that actually have access to a vehicle, that number drops down to only 16 percent of households. many xhepb commentators also supported reasonable time limits for placard holders but some worried that the 4 hours wouldn't be enough time and we arrived at that time limit based upon again some of the interviews with advocates in other cities. they felt 4 hours should be a reasonable amount of time to do your business but

remember that those time limits wouldn't apply while you are getting into or getting out of your vehicle. so this last slide really is opening the door, opening the window. we do appreciate the community's feedback whether it's for or against. it has been very constructive to hear from people. we also appreciate your feedback as well and look forward to engaging in that dialogue. we're here to answer questions but we also want to draw people's attention to the web site and email addresses that are on the screen because at those locations at the sfmta.com/parkingaccess, you can actually find the extensive materials that our committee relied upon during your 6 months of deliberation and when i say extensive, i do mean there are just book loads of

materials. thank you very much for your attention. >> thank you very much, excellent presentation, all members of the committee for a very thoughtful job. i'd like to go back again to what i said at the very beginning. i'm happy to hear the number you said of 16 percent of people who have cars are disabled -- low income folks. i'd like us to consider something we could do to be helpful to them, some kind of a sliding scale or some kind of a discount for those 16 percent. it's very important issue, i think, so i would like to before i begin the public hearing and before i hear from members of the board i'd like to offer an amendment, see if there is support on this board on it so when we discuss it members of the public could react to that as well. i would like to move that we provide an exemption of some sort for drivers with disabilities and low income and ask the staff to come up with some details around that, but that would be

the thrust of it. i would be in support of what's offered here especially if we can allow some help to the low income seniors. would be there a second to that motion? >> second. >> discussion on it? all in favor say aye. >> before you vote on that, you might want to take public comment. >> so the public should know what we're proposing is what is in the resolution plus this as it stands. >> but this is simply a request to staff to look into a way to feasiblely --. >> i think it's a little more than asking them to look into it. my intention would be for them to do something, actually come back with something, and the details of it have to be worked out. does that make sense to you, director riskin? >> i think as carla explained or maybe it was bob, you know, the process going forward, assuming this board is supportive of advancing the recommendations whether with

modifications or not, would be to put this into the city's state legislative agenda, move through the legislative process. that would merely enable local jurisdictions to make some of these changes through their normal legislative process so if i understood the amendment and it is consistent with, as carla said, feedback, probably the strongest point of concern associated with these recommendations would be that should we get through this process and come back with a recommendation to impose meter payment for people with blue placards that we would do that in kupb jufrption with a program that would offer a discount for placard holders with low income. >> i personally feel strongly enough about it, that would be key to me in my support. ready for public hearing?

>> yes, roland wong, followed by (inaudible) richmond and then david fasio >> good afternoon, mr. wong >> hi, good afternoon again. i was on the committee also, you know, to discuss this big controversial topic. i used to drive and always had a difficult time finding a space to park, regular it is a regular metered space or blue zone space, it has become ever-challenging to find a space. change for the better to enable one to find a space to

park. there is pros and cons to all areas. i'm just kind of, the stuff that's already brought up, if the agency increases disabled parking by 70 percent, 470 blue zone spaces, it may reduce regular spaces. but mraib not so much of increasing disabled parking spaces, you need to be increasing from the get-go. during the presentation it talked about review certification or recertification process, better monitoring from the dmv -- oh, gosh, already? >> 30 seconds, i think.

>> i would like sfmta to support the recommendation. thank you.. >> next speaker, please. >> richard rothman. >> good afternoon, mr. rothman. >> hi, my name is richard rothman and thank you for the hearing. first i want to talk about the communication process. i asked in early 2012 to be notified because i heard rumors and i won't mention names, but it was a supervisor in mta said, oh, you will be notified and i found out about it when it was all recommended reading in the san francisco examiner. so i'm just concerned about this process. and i don't know anybody except the committee members in the disability community who actually knew about these meetings that were going on.

and i do support the 4 recommendations and i'm glad the commission is going to talk about the low income, you know, meter parking, but i'm also concerned about the time limits. i work for the city for 26 years and one of my goals was to see that the city hires more people with disabilities. and i think we need to look into the issue of exemptions for people who need to park near their workplace so they don't have to go out every 4 hours or move their car, and how about people who have to go to the doctor? my wife, who has a disability placard, had a root canal and that went over 4 hours so what is she supposed to do, get out of the dental chair and go move the car. so i think when you look at the low income you need to think about making exemptions for people who need to go to the doctor and employment and i think the key word is we need

to be flexible and this is a problem and people who misuse the disability placard should be punished to the full extent of the law. thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> david fasio, richard ow >> good afternoon, mr. fasio >> good afternoon. accessible parking policy advisory committee's recommendations do not increase accessible parking. instead they place unreasonable restrictions on those of us who need reasonable accommodation. time limits increase turnover and do not increase parking availability. the only way to increase availability is to increase the number of blue zones. the

commission reports the prevalence of disability has increased dramatically in san francisco. the report admits the number of placards far exceeds the number of blue zone parking spaces. with only 670 blue zones and a projected 1,141 to be provided in total with these recommendations in kupb kupb conjunction with only 27,000. the agency's allegations that legitimate placards are being misused by people they don't belong to, increasing the rates of use, is wrong. there is absolutely no data to support this claim. the report admits it is impossible to report if a placard was illegitimately

obtained. that does not constitute widespread misuse. that's a point 003 percentage rate. this report or this investigation was spurred off a visual observation of 45 percent of (inaudible). >> my name is richard ow, i'm a member of the commission. we understand and i support every one of these items should be enacted and i know the problem of the parking. i live in chinatown. in the meantime on

grand avenue and columbus avenue, stockton avenue, 60 percent of the parking space i see the blue placards and there are lots of misuse. we have to take care of this problem and then i really think that you have a very good idea, those 16 percent of some driver do have a car but they are really low on income. and these parking meter, they eat up $3 per hour and they can afford it and i hope that the state will pass legislation and your local staff people will give a big discount for these seniors. so i think no. 1 our priority is transportation in san francisco. parking is holding up our transportation. thank

you. >> thank you, mr. ow, next speaker, please. >> richard hale, espinola jackson. >> good afternoon, miss hale >> good afternoon. my name is vera hale and i was all planned to ask you to just remove the recommendation no. 4. i was on the committee part of the time, too, and i have a placard and i oppose this on the committee. i was filling in for edna james, who will speak in a few minutes, and i would like to say that we don't have an easy system for determining income for seniors. it's not like the schools where you can go and see who gets reduced lunch or who gets free lunch. the meals programs for seniors are for everybody regardless of income and if there are different

interpretations of income. the federal poverty level is not sufficient for most seniors and there's an elder security, economic security index. there are many different things if you want to separate out low income seniors it's not an easy job. and now that we see that california has more poor people and a higher percentage of poor people than any state in the union, it makes me concerned that we go farther with that, with wanting to charge people for parking. i don't believe that you will find more parking spaces. when you do that, i know philadelphia, it's flat and i don't think it will work here. i've seen two blue zones removed and i have had two visits by inspectors checking my placard within the past two weeks so you must be doing

something more with enforcement and before that i'd had one in 5 years. but i see more city vehicles taking up spaces that people used to have disabled placards and i don't like that. >> thank you, miss hale >> espinola jackson. >> miss jackson. >> good afternoon, espinola jackson again. i just learned about this i think about a month ago when there was a meeting i attended and it bothers me where when one of the speakers said a smart phone. i don't own a smart phone. i don't know how to use a smart phone. in fact, it's hard for me to even use a cellular phone. now, the time limit, i been walking the halls of city hall for 55 years. sometime i come at 9:00 in the

morning and don't leave until 2:00 the next morning. now, i have a placard on my car. i don't have the one you hang in your window. and what it would look like for me to be jumping up, moving my car, 4 hours here and having the disability i do have. i know i may not look like i have a disability but i'm 80 years of age and i hope some of you get to be my age and then when the weather change like it is now i couldn't even hardly walk here. you know, and it bothers me in the front here all around city hall you have the mta permit parking. they are city employees. they get to park free all day long all the time they want to. this used to be the city employees used to have parking over there in the parking lot. this just happened in the last 15 years when --

city hall is supposed to belong to me and i can't even park at city hall. i'm parking 2 or 3 blocks away. thank you very much. >> jim walkum. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon, commissioners, i work, i have worked for the city for 37 1/2 years, i am now retired. i've almost forgotten about how disgruntled citizens can be about stuff but since i've retired now i am one of those disgruntled citizens. i think having looked at the -- i'm also the vice president of the franklin delano roosevelt democratic club. our president will kind of elucidate our position on this

and mr. riskin and miss johnson are pretty familiar with my complaints so i will make a couple suggestions. one is to educate people about instead of spending $50,000 to send those rude people out to tell us we only have two minutes to talk, take some of that $50,000 and educate people who are parking in the city about, you know, what the rules are. and my theory on this is, i look at around city hall here and around no. 1 south van ness, a lot of people with permits on their cars and two blocks away there are blue zones with nobody in them for short periods of time. so my theory is the thing that says $250 fine on there, i think if people are misusing it maybe we can educate folks. my second one is to make sure

mr. planthold addresses the california state assembly. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> karen mccoy, jonathan lyons, howard strassner. >> (inaudible). >> thank you. jonathan lyons, howard strassner. is mr. lyons here? he's coming up, good. >> good afternoon, mr. lyons. >> thank you very much, my name is jonathan lyons, i am president of the fdr democratic club of san francisco, chartered by the democratic party here in san francisco, we are the local democratic voice for our communities and, you know, we are here to oppose the

i believe they are recommendations 4 and 6 to impose time limits and begin charging. as was alluded, director nolan, i appreciate the comments that you made at the beginning regarding the economic impact. you know, there's another issue behind this. we believe that we acknowledge that there is fraud in this system. however, we don't believe that the fraud is so pervasive that it is vital, the only way to save the system is to advice rate the benefits that it offers and we would draw an analogy to some law makers in congress that believe fraud and misuse of food stamps and unemployment are so pervasive that you have to obliterate those programs. so it's really important to recognize as we sit here, we have an affordability crisis in san francisco. and it's not simply just low income folks

and high income folks but that's really what it's turning into, it really is turning into a tale of two cities. it is also the middle income folks, people being squeezed out, incomes are being raised, charges are being raised and that's what this is going to be. as much as i know folks in this room don't like to admit it, muni doesn't like for a lot of people with disabilities and we have no option but to drive and parking downtown costs $32 per day. imposing these charges is an undue financial hardship for people at a myriad of income levels. we have extended a hand to the mta and to the committee, we would love an opportunity to sit down and work with folks more extensively to come up with a third way. >> thank you, mr. lyons, next speaker, please. >> howard strassner. >> good