$400,000 -- a lot more efficient. it could be that you could do that and probably get bidders online. i have to defer to steve on that. this is a very small pool of contractors that do this kind of work within the industry. only 3 proposals to do this work, and we have outreached with a number of them. in this case, the only one is local, in sacramento. this is a small niche market without many people.

there are not a lot of us. i think if we broke it up we would find the same bidders would do more with others. >> the concern i have is that i understand the flexibility, and that is something that has not always been with us, and that is relaxing the process against a more competitive environment. i want to make sure we don't abuse the privilege, and where it makes good business sense, we should do it. i am prepared to support this and keep it moving, but that's something where i want to make

sure the staff is paying attention as we go forward. it's a matter of paying attention to the issue and making decisions consciously. with that discussion, i will support both of you. 20-a and b. >> moved and seconded. i want to echo the comments. thank you, steve for each question and how it was answered. >> seeing no public comment, all in favor, please say aye. ayes have it. next item. >> item 21. discussion to authorized the

general manager for applicants on behalf of the puc to authorize the use of portable water supplies. >> another mindreading test. evidently this one did not go through. [laughter] i will have to work on my technique. i asked earlier for information on various projects, and that is somewhere in the works an fhopefully will emerge. i asked about the dollar cost providing that, and for the

commission reference, and and i can are criminals of the -- a benchmark. the question for you, putting together -- cost is you had a couple with pretty high numbers here. jefferson off the plaza. what was the thinking that was included? >> we are going forward as part

of park improvement projects, even if they aren't the most cost-effective in terms of water. this has come back through the board, and we talk about evaluating how good they are. there is one that is not in here, and that one -- >> the cutoff is somewhere south of 17,000. >> definitely south of 17,000. >> ok. and we did a study 2 years ago now with 10 parks.

what could you do differently in those 10 parks that would make a difference? ni this program, we ended with them asking us for certain parks to be prioritized. we are hoping to get rec park kinds of things, and since the first year they only got 120,000 out of 2 million, they are not going to do things that are so outlandish. out of $4 million, there are about $2 million to spend. >> there is still money left in the pot. by not doing the last project, that was 2 + million dollars, i

didn't think it was worth getting started on that. >> and clearly where i am heading on a lot of this is given the cost of reclamation opportunities, it does up the level you can afford to spend on conservation, and that is a good thing. so i think that is good. with the other outstanding request on that, i am looking forward to having a discussion about how we prioritize and what role in that the unit cost plays. >> all right. anything else? any public comment?

seeing none, ok. is there a motion? >> not yet. [laughter] >> so moved. >> thank you. >> there is now. >> moved and seconded. 22. clerk: discussion to authorize the general manager to request approval for an epa grant agreement funds totalling $696,000 to the consolidation appropriation act -- $580,684 from the waste water project, sewer system improvement.

>> ok. so moved by commissioner moran. seconded by ellis. item 22? all in favor, please signify by saying aye. opposed? ayes have it. clerk: mr. president, is there any additional new business? >> i was keeping notes on follow up items, and i have 3. one was something that must be useful to have some technology policy and how we direct staff as far as having the appropriate level of investigative alternatives. second is with the sewer

system, it invites a discussion of police -- policy, and we need to come to grips with that more concretely. third, within the universe of our planning for the program, we have been focusing on ssip and not as much on the r & r. it may be possible to do a level of service definition for them as well, and we look forward to doing that in the near future. >> there were two elements.

one was the 10%, and the other was the structure. putting it together, is there a financial plan or staging process? >> i agree, but i know that time is of the essence. given the rates and inflation taking off, i guess before we

get there we will know fairly soon. >> and that is the result of the acquisition, whether you wanted to have gold rates or limit some of the greats. -- rates. >> we don't really have the budget to know. kind of a look that we took, though. 20, 30, if you get it. that's going to help. we have to figure out how to be

comrortable with that. >> with your concern about the focus, isn't that really discussed? >> in the program, there are some goals that would be met more by our and our than the new project. i think it is just how i take your comment. >> when you look at long-term

planning, it is feasible. >> it is how they of corporate it or set it up. >> we believe to have a permit requirements. -- we do need to have permit requirements. the other is a nice statement. staff test and not be bashful about waiting.

they need to tell us what is required and figure out how to fund it. a third set of eyes have been placed on it to get the job done. to justify it and not have a service level is incomplete and confusing, and you get to whatever happened to the master plan. in terms of covering everything, those are not covering everything. president crowley: ok. anything else? motion to adjourn. all in favor, say aye?

thank you.

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joint commission in the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the net is states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. thank you, ladies and gentlemen. if you would, please direct your attention to the roll call of commissioners. president joe marshall? president marshall: present. vice-president mazzucco. vice president mazzucco: present. thank you, commissioners. also see it with the commissioners is the chief of police and the director of office complaints. mr. president, you have a quorum. president marshall: thank you, lieutenant. this is the regular meeting of

the san francisco police commission, july 21, 2010, and please call item no. 1. >> item one, mr. president, his approval of the minutes for the meetings march 31, april 7, and it 14, 2010. -- and april 14, 2010. president marshall: we have the meeting minutes for march 31, april 7, and april 14. if there are no corrections? >> so moved. >> second? president marshall: alright, second. item number 2, please? >> this is public comment, were members of the public may address the commission for a time determined by the chair on items that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission but do not appear on the agenda. president marshall: general public comment, anyone? none.

item number three, please? >> item three is reports to the commission, under which we have item 3-a, the chief's report, the occ director's report, and the commission report. we start with the chief's report. president marshall: midevening, chief. and mr. president, how are you today? president marshall: tired. go right ahead. >> mr. president, commission, members, i like to go over quickly the status updates concerning basic policy and the dna backlog. starting with the crime numbers for this four-week cycle, updated this week. we are down 15% total, 17% down on property crimes, 6% violent crimes year-to-date. we're down a total of 10%

compared with last year to date. we are talking about roughly 2300 crimes less, 4% down in property crime, 4% down violent crime. as far as any noteworthy events, we are continuing to develop our regional crime center. we are getting better at collecting crime information very quickly and putting it out to our troops. we had a series of robberies that occurred in the city in the last few days. we had the director who was able to very quickly identify the pattern. we have one suspect was arrested. we're not sure if the suspect was involved in the other crimes. but the point i wanted to make is this is what we talked about, creating a real time crime

center, doing better identification. it is already taking place and is getting better, obviously, as we have improvements in equipment and record managements. but it is rewarding to see the evolution of this. we're now combining bric with other units and we will be able to having more and that -- more robust crime analysis section. we will be able to provide better tools for the men and women on the street. i thought that was a good point that things are working out for us. what i would like to do, concerning the crime, we asked the lapd internal affairs unit and the inspector general from the lapd to come in and help us provide training both for director hicks and their personnel and our people

considering federal investigations, general investigations, evaluating evidence, and adjudicating evidence. i think it will be useful. we had the inspector general who is someone who has a great deal of expertise in training as well as one of the captains. we will have investigators and supervisors from occ for the entire day, and as far as the investigator, and command staff supervisory staff for the entire date, the investigators will get the investigative piece, how to evaluate evidence, ask the right questions, conduct interviews, and the supervisor and command staff will get in touch with the evaluation of the evidence, adjudication. i think this will be the first that for us. i believe it will also help the occ and the department of

internal affairs unit to work more collaboratively. i think it is win-win, and at the end of the day, the community gets better work product and i think the officers get a more expeditious and more fair cross. i think it is a good improvement for us. unless there are any questions about this, i will move on to the next area, which is the update on the brady policy. ok, if we could start? >> good evening, president marshall, commissioners, chief. the department continues to proactively approach this issue. we have been meeting and communicating with the representative groups this week. as recently as this afternoon, we were communicating with the city attorney's office. i have also kept the district attorney's office in the loop. we have a two further meat and

defers that represents civilian groups that may be impacted by the brady procedure. at the same time, we continue to respond in a very timely fashion inquiries from various offices that we received several times a day, if not dozens per day. finally, if you want to get an estimation of time, it is my optimistic belief we are talking a matter of weeks, not days, not months, for implementation. with the final approval of the chief at his direction. >> go ahead. >> thank you. the chief mentioned, i think all of us mentioned the idea that at some point meet and confer cannot go on forever at some point you say here is the brady policy. what is the current thinking? what is the drop dead date? how close are we?

>> the one area that we need to resolve is quite frankly -- this popped out and we never gave it full consideration with the civilian piece of it, so we are meeting with the civilian union. obviously, their impact will be minimal, but nevertheless it is important. i have had conversations addressing the executive board, today as a matter of fact. i believe we will get this done very quickly. with aclu, i do not anticipate the world be a large amount of difficulty given the local work has been done already. one way or the other, we will quickly, but i agree with the director. we're talking weeks. we're not talking a month. president marshall: okay, thank

you. thank you very much. >> next, we have the capt. to provide us with an update on both the crime lab and the dna backlog. >> good evening, commissioners. i will defer to the captain i was at the crime lab for a couple of hours today. she will provide the update. >> good evening, mr. president and commissioners. we have gotten our documentation that we need to outsource some of the cases to help out with the crime load, and we have our technical specifications document done that our criminalist that is the technical leader at the dna unit has drawn up in conjunction with

comptroller's office that is ready to go. and we have an audit. she has to have one more meeting with the people at one of the labs, and we will be ready to outsource. it just this afternoon, she identified six sexual assault cases that have recently, in that have not -- have recently, and that have not been assigned to any analyst and will be outsourced. we are in the processin of outsourcing some of these. their cases were there just comparison cases. 14 of them were just outsources. the lieutenant and officers are assigned to the lab are in the process of contacting various labs to try to ascertain best practices, how we can do better trying to identify how not to have backlogs and to try to find out what are the best ratio of catalyst to caseload ratio to

avoid backlogs and what ideal personnel ratios should be. so, questions? >> i have a few. we spent two hours at the lab. i thank you for your work. i think we have made a lot of progress today in terms of identifying exactly how big the problem is and some quick solutions to it. just for the sake of my fellow commissioners, we had heard the number 100 sexual assault cases pending. the good news is it may be somewhat less than that. i think rather than putting out new numbers, we want to make sure what those numbers are. we have identified from that subset of strangers sexual assaults, the most important with the greatest rate of recidivism and new victims being victimized. plus, the chances of getting hit with codis,