tv [untitled] July 29, 2010 2:33am-3:03am PST
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the blue section. ok. our first level of service is control and maintenance of a storm of three-hour duration that delivers 1.3 inches of rain. now, this boutique redesigned storm is expected to occur 20% of the time in any given year. this is the basis of our permit, the operation a permit. the strategy to meet this would be to develop projects, and we will utilize the infrastructure flood control projects which could be any combination of these things. in the low impact design. but i will be talking a little
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bit about what that could look like. the second level would be to manage flows. that is when we are working with other city departments. as landscapes are being redone, but to show leadership in the area, we have to develop design for any dollar spent double impact positively the problems we might have. this is part of the interdepartmental coordination. yet another way to be able to
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impact it. i just want to take a look at a few more things, and then we will go to discussion. there is a low impact design. downspout " disconnection when the annual incentive program where korea $5 million available per year and an incentive program for homeowners and businesses to be able to disconnect their downspouts, use the green cisterns or the buckets to keep storm water out of the collection system. we will be looking at managing the storm water. then, we have other projects, in the valley and districts, to
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mitigate problems. we look at all of the flood control projects, they fall into the flood control section of this charge, and is approximately $2.70 billion. what about the flood control projects? right now, when we have an issue, and rc shui-bian -- and are sick to is overwhelmed -- our situation is overwhelmed, property flooding, currently we have a lot of runoff. this would slow the storm water down and contain it. we could get more experience with this to do a better job and be able to -- to be able to use
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it for beneficial purposes. some of the things are low- lying. this is to be able to mitigate this. .we may have greater intensity is of rain storms. this is a little bit more of a challenging one. but -- our objective within the program is that we use a triple bottom line tool belt -- toolkits -- toosls, but we will
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look at long term, chemicals, going across all of those factors within the confine vote of the watershed. however, the system has to be proven and reliable, and the green infrastructure is an exciting. it is new for us. but in some cases, it will have to be bolstered to make sure we can achieve that. and in our flood control program as we move forward, we will look for some successes. a full watershed analysis. consecutive storms. we also need to determine what the maintenance is.
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this is a deeper subject to we are into. this is how we would perform basically with different levels. and we look deaths of more intense storms. so our existing systems, 1.3 inches, this map shows where the flooding would occur, and the darker areas are more intense flooding. this is up by the creek, lower mission creek. then, let's look at these storms. this is something that i think has to be pointed out. within that three-hour duration, there is a variety of intensity.
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there are a number of different speeds over that little journey, but in this three-hour period, there is a piece that will occur, and the intensities are measured. so if we look at that same system, with a little bit more intensity, the flooding is much wider spread and much more severe, the severe be in the dark blue -- being the dark blue. so what we did was take a look at the areas that are susceptible to flooding, and this is based on the modeling work. some of them are here today who have done this modeling. they go out, and they have a program. they go out there in their rain your -- gear.
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unfortunately, across the city, it does not remain the same in any given location. in one area, you may not get any rain. then we took a look at upgrades. these are included note in the program. what type of flooding would we then see? you can see this would be diminished for the same level of storm. with all of the different flood control projects, the only place we're really seeing an issue is the creek. but it looks quite good over the rest of the city. >> vs. solly? >> what we did is we used a percentage -- versus?
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>> what we did is we used a percentage. i think he could probably give you a quick overview. >> david. there is an assumption that the city is already moving forward with a certain amount of green infrastructure, so that was considered a baseline that we put into the model, and then beyond that, we had specific combinations in projects around the city to solve the problems. our goal was to not focus in on note any individual project or combination of projects but to look about a similar cost. they decided to tweak it slightly differently. in terms of what was gray and
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what was korean, -- green, they were being evaluated, and we used those as a starting point. >> we have the connection, which included structures, and then we had an allowance of approximately 30% of the streets within san francisco, and we spread that out over a period of time. the investment started out at $8 million a year and went up. all of this was spread evenly. there are areas where we still
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i will talk to you about what we've looked at so far, and i can proceed in that. >> this will go with the 1.3 inches over three hours. trying to get a fairly small incremental difference. i wanted to make sure that we are not glossing over that. >> we really tried to address this. this looked at things at a
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>> when you say handled, what exactly do you mean? is it just going down the sewer? >> now we realize the basis. we see issues where we are having manholes coming up, or there is property damage, but the street has been designed to contain that water. that is part of the design, and what we want to avoid is having in areas where we are always having challenges, and the surrounding area -- we do not want to have that. but --
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>> you are saying it is open? is that you are saying? >> some of the areas are to be challenged where the collection system in diameter or size may be half as big as it needs to be. now, we will look at putting in a bigger pipes it, green infrastructure. some areas are just underserved with what we have got. >> some areas historically workweeks and lakes, so it is not necessarily underserved, but it is a different kind of issue. >> or the cayuga issue we have talked about. this causes a problem.
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look at if we had seen any changes, and that is a check will have to do. >> the climate change models are not really finite. much more global. we can take a look at it particularly as relates to the outflows. getting money in congress to build a model of. >> i do not understand what type of investment. i wanted to talk a little bit about what we did would korean alternatives. -- green alternatives.
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reconstructed physical reservoir at a lower elevation so we can capture stormwater before it gets into the system. this is the old reservoir, what that could look like if we use that as a storage basin, so there that is. the rainwater gets in there, and they can play soccer or have a recreational area, but the storm water could be used for beneficial uses.
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so these green improvements within each watershed, we would have additional sources of water that we could use as another form of water re-use. other systems have shown greater improvement of the water quality. it would provide community enhancement, the greening. it slows the water down and gives it another way to go. it is another pathway. a tunnel or infrastructure, eso the types of projects that we will be looking at to solve the problem to me to the level of service, it would be increased
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collection capacity, the daylighting, the undrawn -- the underground systems. and we need to get some more experience under our belt. we're looking at focused watershed planning efforts and coming back to the commission in the fall to be able to say this is a watershed we would like to be able to start with and really looking at the watershed, et what creeks are there, the to be terry danish -- the tributary dane drink -- drainage. it has to be put through a triple bottom line analysis so we get a long-term kerf -- kerf -- curve.
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to be an effective part of the system, we have a lot still to learn, and a channel tunnel would be one that we would be looking to start right away, and that is a major asset, and we are looking at what we can do on the surface to manage storm water and will begin to below the service to know the we have reliability. >> ongoing maintenance for a better street.
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>> dpw in general is responsible for street maintenance. it is a cross departmental kind of effort. it sounds like an issue. >> it sounds like an issue. they have not been fully defined. >> performance has to be monitored. when there is a replacement of any infrastructure below it, the right pavement has to be put in. caring for it. it is complex. it is a new area of business for
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us. >> we really need to figure out what elements are sustainable. and with normal human behavior, what might not be sustainable over time. >> we would like to be able to press forward the with this goal and this level of service. commissioner moran: i am not comfortable with this. this all makes sense to me over
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time. i do have some concern about a level, given that we believe the severity of storms is going to increase overtime. tell me if i am wrong. the cost curve does not apply to every element of a program. what i mean by that is in the case you're putting a pipe in the ground, in an incremental cost on that may not be huge.
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you are trying to upgrade and optimize the size, i am wondering if that is the sensible thing to do. if we have opportunities to build more capacity, and the incremental cost is not there, then why would we not do that? especially if it is a hedge, having to tear up the streets and to the wholesome and over again. -- and to the polls and over again. >> we will be limited -- and do the whole thing over again. >> we will be limited. we will have to upsize the plant. we will probably be replacing
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