to commend staff and you. it's very helpful to get this in writing. and it's been long coming. but i want to note that for myself, it's a definite step in the right direction. in the report that you prepared, it might be helpful -- i know it would be if i were to be continuing to sit in this chair. it might be helpful to create two categories of incidents. there are, what i would consider those incidents that are of nuisance value, that are extraordinarily important to deal with, such as sound, etc. but that are not necessarily the kind of thing that would lead to or create a direct path to a management issue, security issue that could result in some outbreak of violence or some failure to manage crowds that would result in a problem or public safety issue. so perhaps dividing nuisance and

public safety so that we as a commission can understand which venues are in a repair -- physical repair mode and which venues are in management, restructure, mediation problem-solving mode. i think that will be helpful. >> that's not a problem. almost like a major and a minor type of thing. commissioner alan: yeah. i hesitated to use it that way, but whatever staff feels is a good way to delineate, i think that would be great. at a glance, we can then keep track of those venues which continue to be on one or the other list. because we're going to take a different style of interaction to resolve. >> yeah, not a problem. commissioner alan: thank you. president roja: commissioner meko. commissioner meko: thank you. similar comment with regard to the notices and violations that you've issued recently. could you also give us some indication where there are multiple notices of violation?

>> you mean as far as we've noticed them before in the past? commissioner meko: that's correct. >> that shouldn't be a problem. commissioner meko: ok, great. president roja: any public comment regarding the report from the deputy director? seeing none, public comment is closed. item number four, election of commission president and vice president. i wasn't at the last meeting, so i don't know how this all went. was this on the agenda? >> it was on the agenda, but it was continued, so it did not go. president roja: ok. do we have any update, or are we just going to -- >> no, obviously this is something that every july 1 should have been handled, but for a variety of reasons we're here in august and we need to --

these are year-long appointments. i think mongs you, you can do your thing. president roja: commissioner meko? commissioner meko: i would like to make a motion that we consider commissioner newlin for president. president roja: i'll second that motion. >> do you want to do separate motions for president and vice president? president roja: i think that would be the easiest way to keep track. >> all right. there was also a request for a comment by the commissioner. i don't know if that was a nomination or if it was relevant to our process. >> i was going to nominate commissioner newlin also. >> i guess my only question is for the commissioners that aren't present, does that factor in? has that factored in in the past? or is that if you're here you're

here, if you're not you're not? >> that's correct. there's no proxy voting. so if you're here, you get a vote. >> ok. >> i think last meeting, we continued the item so that commissioners that truly wanted to parties pate in the election process had adequate, ample notice, and so i see no reason to delay. >> ok. >> we have a motion. the second i think is public comment. >> i think you have to take public comment for all items on the agenda. >> do we have any public comment regarding the election of the commission president? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> need to make a roll call on this item, correct? >> do you have to accept the nomination as well? >> do you accept the nomination? >> yes.

>> this is the nomination for the president sf of commissioner newlin. [roll call] >> excellent. that motion is approved. >> i'd like to make a motion to nominate audrey joseph for vice president. >> i'll second that motion. >> any public comment on that motion? seeing none. [roll call] >> commissioner, you are relieved of your dueties. i believe the balance of this meeting is on commissioner newlin -- president newlin, as it were.

congratulations. president newlin: i can just stay here. no need for a big shuffle. ok. before we call the next item, i just want to commend commissioner roja for a stellar job being past president of this commission during a very tue mull winehouse time, kept us above water. commissioner roja: thank you. president newlin: next item? >> regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment commission. commissioners, we have one item, one permit tonight for casa hookah on geary. however, the police department, richmond statement requested a continuance based on the fact

that they had a very, very long standing permit officer connelly retire, and there was about a three-week period where there was no permit officer at all in which time that was when the venue had been posted. and the new permit officer has been in place for a very short time, and didn't feel prepared to offer any comment or conditions to the commission and asked for a two-week continuance. staff reached out to the applicant and i believe that the applicant representative is here, if you want to ask any questions regarding that. so staff is requesting a continuance. president newlin: commissioner meko: commissioner for staff. does this fall within the 45-day

period during which we are allowed to vote on a continuance, or does this have to be requested by the applicant? >> i think we're in good standing, but the applicant is here sort of. i think we can go either way on this again, because this is the first time this application has been before you. it's been posted for 30 days, so the clock has just started. >>@newlin, congratulations. on behalf of the applicant, i would request a continuance for two weeks. this will allow us to meet with the -- we're going to meet with the captain, the new permit officer on friday, and we want to get off to a good start with that richmond station. president newlin: thank you. if i may, to the applicant through their representative, i have noted that a problem with your security plan that i think

you would want to address prior to meeting with the police and coming in front of the commission. your security plan calls in item number one, one security personnel for every 50 guests and your venn you is at number nine, which means you will never have security in place. i think that needs to get resolve sod that both parties are understanding what your plans are. other than that, i have no comments. president newlin: do we call brick comment for this then? anybody wish from the public wish to comment? seeing none, take a motion. commissioner meko: i would like to move to continue this item to the next meeting. >> second. president newlin: call of roll, please. [roll call]

>> excellent. you know, we can do it this way if you'd like, but normally, the president, you go on. president newlin: i've got a lot to learn. just keep kicking me. item number six, presentation regarding one-night event insurance. we have elayna coss, sharp agency. >> just a little bit of background. thanks for coming. actually, vaj suggested that we bring ms. coss to you. we have been discussing in the past imposing requirements via security plans and/or conditions on permits that require folks who use outside promoters to get one-night event insurance. there's been some discussion, but we felt it might be useful to have a short education on the commission on what really means,

what that costs, give you an opportunity to dig in a little deeper, if you are going to continue to use that as a condition in each case. the police seem very interested as well, and using that as a condition on places that go to outside promotions. so i'm glad that you've come. i think there's something maybe in your binders as well. i don't have anything. i'm good. i go for it. >> as you guys see, i did a little short narrative as to what the liability insurance is. i work at the club's security and promoters, event planners in the area, and i have for a number of years. so with that short narrative, if you have questions in regards to how you think it would benefit your organization and/or any type of events or anything, that's why i'm here.

i'm open to you guys in how you feel in regards to the questions. president newlin: commissioner alan? commissioner alan: the first question i would have is the way in which your firm establishes the cost for what i understand from your one-page description as a one-year insurance policy. how do you determine cost? is that based on occupancy? is it based on type of event? is it based on location? what are your general criteria so that we have an understanding when we're imposing an insurance condition? what kinets of triggers might be involved? -- kinds of triggers might be involved? >> when it involves just a special event. first of all, it involves how many days. you can have an event that goes into when it wraps after midnight, they can consider that a two-day event. it's also how many people will be attending, what type of event it is, and some major

underwriting. obviously they go by zip code. so it depends how many zip codes, how many different rates would actually apply here. commissioner alan: and then a follow-up to that question would be, let's take a special event of 250 people in a licensed premise in downtown san francisco. can you give me a ballpark of what would would require a promoter to pay for such a policy? >> the policies can range from nowhere from 200 to 500. you can require the promoter to

name the city, or this specific department. depends on the verbage. so average, what i see within the area here, average is about $350. commissioner alan: and the time in which the applely cant would need to apply prior to receiving their policy. would that be two weeks? a week? five days? what would affect the timeline? >> an hour. they can call us up to an hour. it takes anywhere from 10, 15 minutes, to an hour to get an underwritten process and balance. so they can call us in advance. we can set it up, communicate, get fax numbers, and call us in advance. they can call us up to 30 days. they can go all the way up to. commissioner alan: so if the city were to move toward some sort of recognition of business type that we loosely refer to as

a promoter and there were to be by this commission a requirement of insurance, would their promoters that do regular promotions at a venue on a monthly basis -- i can think of several gay events that happen at various events around the city. they happen every month. they've been happening for years. those would differ or not from events that would be popping up as more one-time unknown commodity, not regular occurring. is there any differentiation between those two? and would the cost be annualized and therefore rused if it were -- reduced if it were a monthly event? >> if you have a promoter that does monthly events, i recommend having them do an annual policy. those policies can range from $1,200 to $1,500 a year. so with that, they can choose to do a per event policy.

>> also, the security, they bear most of the responsibility. when you have somebody that promotes it, they pretty much have a liability on paper, not as much hands on as security in clubs. so it's cost effective annually, if they want to do per event. absolutely. >> thank you. that's the extent of my questions. >> this is actually directed more to the acting director. it's correct that we could not impose this retroactively as a

condition, but the new language in 1060 would allow you to call any venue and amend the security plans to add this as a requirement. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> thank you. thank you very much for your presentation. >> i'm sorry, you had a question? >> i had one question. incidents that have happened at certain clubs -- do you think it's the best type of thing to basically have the clubs put their promoters on their insurance liability, or is that possible to do? or is it the promoters have to do it separately? >> i would recommend promoters to do it separately. when you have a club policy, all

policieswhen you have a club po both sit -- basically the m1 that is insured -- the only one that is insured, that is the only name on the policy. nobody else unless you name them as an additional insured is covered, so if you have a venue, and you have a promoter, that is my recommendation. just like when they are having an event as a promoter, i was asked earlier, as far as the insurance company is concerned, you can come to me and tell me who you are andi"i what you wano do, gand we do not do a background check on you. as far as claims and everything else. there is definitely a recommendation to keep them all separate. there cut across the board for everybody. ócommissioner: may ask a

commission? this was exactly the x[ ])ut events, but i am wondering, what is in your request when somebody comes to you as a promoter or whatever? the you need, like, driver's license? what are the things that you ask for? separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were, to use this to make sure that promoters who do not have their stuff together of do not promote in venue and do not bring problems, and we theoretically would have those, so we do not want to run the

other way. i am wondering what it is you ask for? do they have to have a driver's? >> as far as the insurance company is concerned, we do need to know who is protected, basically the insured. it is just the basic underwriting, is what it is, and as far as the driver's license, we sometimes, when it gets in depth, we ask for it a social security number, but it does require a signature. so this is additional limits, because there are events then they will go away from, and

raves were considered redlines, and if they did, they were charged $5,000, so it is just basic underwriting information, and visa, mastercard, discover, we do not take checks. yes, because the check may come back to us, and then we have nothing, so -- commissioner: cash or credit card. ok. i get it. president roja: ok, i think vajra has a question. commissioner granelli: if an

incident does occur, does the insurance pay? as far as protecting venues or those to get the policy? >> yes, absolutely. i have seen several event policies and club policies pay, so someone who has an event policy, it deters them from going deeper than necessary, because the insurance company would rather pay than dragging out, so they are pretty correct, because the less money they spend, the more money they make, so i have seen them pay quite a few times. president roja: ok, and i think commissioner meko as a question again. commissioner meko: have you deny the policy? >> i have not denied a policy.

i have given them a premium which is absolutely ridiculous. this will basically ensure anything. -- insure anything. being in the industry, you can recognize when a venue or a club is not being forthcoming with the information, but it is pretty much a gut, institutional thing. commissioner meko: so you have a lot of flexibility. we do not need to go further. a lot of insurance agents offer this coverage, it is not just you, right? >> if you meet up with agents, agents are the ones who are more restricted as to what they can and cannot do, but they do have the ability. president roja: i have one

follow-up question. it is a fascinating question, and i think it is one that we are going to be focusing on in the future, so as much information we can gather, the better. the policy about redlining clients, you hinted that there was a time where a particular style of event called a "rave" was a red lines, and the mechanism that was used to keep those was increasing pricing, so it was not an outright denial. >> no. that is a definition that companies use, but that is no longer a legal situation. price increase. commissioner: so the follow-up would be, are there any kind of loosely defined entertainment events that fall within that policy now that you could stay from have the experience in

recent past? >> i have not, nor have i seen a specific situation. because the raves were the ones that were accumulating a lot of losses. we decided we cannot charge $400. it is not cost-effective. so not in my experience. it does not mean we would not in the future, but as of now, there is not anything that is considered excessive pricing. commissioner: right, because if this commission were to require it, and it was considered excessive, it would be a denial, and i think that is important to get out in the public. thank you. >> yes, absolutely. >> thank you again. president roja: all right, item number seven, police department

comments and questions. >> good evening. i did want to speak on a couple of topics, and we were talking about the entertainment task force, and we will try to move forward with coming up with some core elements to a security plan. that is moving along well. we are having a follow-up thursday, and that is moving forward. the other thing i wanted to briefly talk about was the incidents that occurred over the weekend, and i think you touched on it a little bit, and i was only going to speak on one of them because i know it has come

up in the past about what type of resources are utilized, and i thought it would be informative for you to hear about this. the incident that occurred on august 8, and this was the initial response up until we close the crime scene, absorb in excess of 150 police hours, and required equus -- require dozens upon dozens of officers bought. yes, it looks like it is about 70 or so officers and command staff that also responded, so that kind of gives you the scope of the resources that it takes when these incidents occur. the other thing i just wanted to touch on, and what happened that night is, and standing is that one of the commissioners,

commissioner alnan, there was talk of a permit. is that correct? commissioner alan: yes, that it was a youth event, it would require a dance permit or a special permit, which would have alerted people at leóisy its existence. >> yes, it is very early in the investigation, but i think this stage, it is fair to say that on a broad brush with you on this, they should have come before you guys. it would have triggered notifications, and it would have allowed a better communication. interestingly enough, there was another event but÷ occurring by an abc license establishment, and is kind of interesting that we are discussing this today with some of your staff, that

within one block of where this event took place, and abc licensed establishment had a similar event, and to my knowledge, there is absolutely no problems. yet again, we have an event that no one knew about, that was occurring at a location that no one knew about, and that seems to be a contributor to ultimately what was a very tragic event. commissioner: how do we as a city fix this problem where there are events in the city that requi8pádq vacation and, hence, will become less of a nuisance? jz the police department, everyone is limited in their resources and outreach. the reaction method could be a high cost way of doing business. i am wondering if in your experiee