all of us. probably, there would be a time frame. we will see how long we need to cover the items. we can do that regardless of the date. >> i would be happy to, mr. president. what you're suggesting is that commissioner chan and i work with you to create a draft and present it to the rest of the commission. >> and part of the responsibility to -- would be to make sure that we -- >> i think they will give ideas anyway. [laughter] >> that is why we bring back the draft to you. president marshall: next, they have been in contact with the

entertainment commission. they have concluded -- that one thing i don't want to do it is give up their meeting. >> the meet the second and the forest tuesday of the month, commissioner. president marshall: since this is on our fast-track, we are going to have a community meeting schedules, so we can do it as early as the 29 of september. that is a wednesday. the meeting with the entertainment commission. the date that has been thrown out is september 29, our normal community meeting. and they will come here and do it here. how does that sound? he didn't expect it to happen that soon, did you? the 29.

>> we had not set a community meeting -- >> the suggestion was to use that date that would normally have been a community meeting for that joint meeting. >> is this room available since we are not normally here? >> yes, commissioner. i just have to make sure that we have enough seats for everybody. president marshall: we will also sort of have to -- >> [talking over each other] president marshall: while we are on it, let's talk about the community meetings for the rest of the year.

>> commissioner, we would normally have -- we normally schedule 10 community meetings a year, january through october. since november and december, we run into the holidays, we generally don't do community meetings the last couple of months. but with everything we have coming up in front of us and the fact that we had not designated community meetings for the remaining months of the year, it was my suggestion to the president that we use those dates in lieu of meeting with the entertainment commission and some of the several disciplinary matters we have at the end of the road. >president marshall: are their disciplinary matters coming up that we can resolve on that last week of the month?

we like to take a bunch of things -- he is telling us that they're coming up, so let's calendar them as much as possible. all right, then that concludes my report. commissioners, do you have anything? >> we have one last matter, the patrol special, i see him in the audience. >> good evening, commissioners. >> the beginning of last month, is he also a patrol officer? the documents and paperwork have all been filed with the secretary of the police commission? they have not. >> that is up to the sergeant.

i don't know what is the holdup. i did not submit it. ray has to submit all the documents. it is out of my hands now. >> you no longer are on the beat. you're not collecting any fees or royalties? >> no. >>, do they sell for? >> $20. >> 20 bucks? >> i would say free, but there is some consideration. >> i appreciate it. >> at some point, this matter will have to come in front of the commission, once the paperwork is done, to be in order and the proper channels. president marshall: thank you,

commissioner mazzucco. comment on item number four? thank you. i'm osrry -- sorry. >> is there general public comment? or is this it? president marshall: we had general public comment earlier. this is about the occ commission report. >> you don't have that at the end? only at the beginning? president marshall: yes, sir. >> i just wanted to say ♪ september morn i wnt to tah -- want to thank you for patrolling the city that way

you patrolled until the night ♪ president marshall: sir, i don't want to interrupt you -- >> thanks for your work. >> i will send out the e-mail again regarding dates for the retreat. commissioner mazzucco is right, i put not to respond to that e- mail, e-mail me individually. i'm sorry if i confused an issue on that. i had three responses. we will start all over again. president marshall: item 6, please. >> we have commission

announcements and scheduling items. commissioner, i have no announcements. there are some scheduling matters we can talk about. commissioner dejesus: i want to add to the list of things to put on the commission -- i think a couple of weeks ago, the chief had a press conference where he introduced his policy to the public. it is my understanding that this brady policy has not been improved by this commission and there has been no public hearing. this is a very important policy. commissioner hammer and i have asked about the brady policy. since the commission sets policy, i don't know if it is next week. i want to make sure it is on the calendar.

i don't recall -- >> i have it in the list, commissioner. commissioner dejesus: that's fine. commissioner chan: i was going to ask for the process. is it the brady policy, or we discussing this? i have my own idea as to what i would like to change. is there a process in mind? president marshall: the document was given to us for review. commissioner dejesus: the action item would be approving it? commissioner chan: my understanding about policy is that usually the occ -- we let the public timon and see what what they see are the flaws.

it is more like a hearing on the report. but if the occ needs time to review -- >> commander mahoney will most likely be back for the presentation so he can shed light on some of the issues. >> we were just going to be here to discuss the policy that you have in front of you. what you have been given is the policy we have in hand so we can entertain any discussion on changes, amendments, what ever. >> stop. i really believe that it is within our prerogative. i was not one that agreed to that. i thought it was proposed policy. it should be made clear to the public that it has not been approved by this commission. my understanding is that it was

the same way we always do it, we meet and confer with the occ, the aclu or whatever. recommendations are made, and we decide what the policy is. maybe i'm wrong, but someone needs to correct me. >> that is right. we should follow the procedure we always do when we are talking about dgo's or policy. that means including the occ in the discussion and letting interested community members know. >> we are following the protocol that we have. this is not a dgo, it is a bureau order. it allows for the chief to go ahead and put that out to the department. certainly, it is amended for you

to institute any policy that you want. but that is how we proceed in this matter. >> that is the problem i have, and i guess i need to talk to the city attorney. i understand he put out a policy under a bureau order, and it circumvented this commission as well as conferring with community members which we were told we were going to have wanted was decided that it was going to come here and to be vetted. it wasn't. i guess i need to meet with the city attorney, because i believe we said the policy for this department. we can change that bureau order, we can supplement it, or we can make a policy that completely contradicts that. i guess i need to talk to the city attorney about this. my understanding is that a brady policy, that is going to be

presented here. but since this commission sets policy, we will talk about what the brady policy is. and we should follow the procedure we always follow. >> i spoke with the city attorney, and they said that we set policy, and if it is different than the chief's, powers trump's it. our goal in being here next week is to discuss our concerns, either move to approve it or in the week or two. >> i would like to ask the occ. were you aware this was something that we put on calendar? it was made aware to us that it was going out to a press conference. >> the occ would just like a

copy of the policy. i don't know if it has been supplied to our policy analyst or not. if it has been, we would just like a copy of the policy. >> if we have it here, it should probably weigh in on the recommendations -- >> they would be recommendations from the director. president marshall: anybody else? >> is it for discussion next week, not an action item? i think we should have a discussion of possible action. we can send it to committee to work on it. it is just a discussion item. that would be my recommendation. president marshall: i thought

that is what it was going to be anyway. >> that is why we have it set for next week. >> thank you. president marshall: not finished yet, sir. no, no. let us finish -- i want to make sure the item is finished. >> commissioner, we did have a disciplinary matter that was going to come in front of commission later this evening, but given the hour, -- and let me back up. we had an issue on this particular matter, and that as members of the commission that were qualified to actually hear this. we had to put it off. i can't talk about names since we are not enclosed session, but

this was a matter the commission heard on july 15, and there was an issue about having expert testimony and expert review on evidence that had been submitted to that was due on a september 1. i think the commission granted six weeks for that. but we have that problem so we had to put it off. that matter is pending. i was expecting to be able to do with it tonight which would free us up for three motions to dismiss that are pending that we have, and if you recall, the city attorney recommended that they come back for additional briefing on some finer points. i have those pending as well, and i was hoping to bring those forward next week. we have the matter that we should have heard this evening now backed up, and we have a

number of cases that are moving toward ultimate resolution. president marshall: we will figure it out on the calendar, lieutenant. >> we can't do it this evening. just so you know, next week, we discussed brady policy earlier. the recurring report was due. there is a matter of compliance which we set aside which we were expecting, and we have a return to duty report in addition to those disciplinary matters i was referring to. i was talking earlier with the city attorney's office. there are some things that we might be able to do to give us a little more time for these

things. it is just a matter of how early in the day we would like to start. if i can find available space in city hall, we would like to deal with some of these things. there are other obligations and responsibilities. i was hoping to use the twenty second for a disciplinary matter that we have, so i would like to keep that available as well. backing up a little bit, i talked about the fifteenth. there is a disciplinary matter that i wanted to bring forward, but i am not sure we will be able to do that. i imagine we are moving away

[unintelligible] so that pretty much shows up september. -- fills up september. >> can i get an electronic copy of the bureau order? thank you. president marshall: now we will take public comment. >> good evening, commissioners. i wanted to congratulate the commission in all aspects of his department, especially in the crucial area.

-- in the crucial area of policy. in regards to the rights of the defendant, whether it is compliance with the department providing information that it is required to provide for those that are not -- that have not been on the commission for some time. it came up with the dispute with occ a number of years ago when the police department was not providing, and made a complaint, that the police department was not complying with discovery request from the occ. i hope it doesn't continue.

lastly, i have been a representative of this department for many years. i find this department to be exceedingly -- it refuses to provide -- i don't believe we can have a department that doesn't comply with the law. especially in the area of defendants. especially in the area of unions that they are supposed to be sharing information with. this department has proper oversight and complies with all aspects of the law, including the laws that they might not like. thank you very much. >> is the matter still open?

is the employee matter of dispute still pending? >> it is on the command staff's desk. president marshall: that concludes public comment. we will move to item number 11. we will not have 7, 8, 9, 10. >> commissioner, just for the record, with an objection, they will continue to items seven, eight, nine, and ten. >> would that be next week? >> we should try to bring it forward next week if we can.

>> item 9a will be continued into next week and we will be continuing items 7, 8, and 10 at this time. that brings us to the last item, adjournment. >> so moved. >> thank you. [talking over each other]

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>> would the public please turn off their cell phones? the first item is roll call. [reading roll]

commissioners, the quorum is established. item number two, consent calendar. all items listed here under are considered to be routine by the small business commission and will be acted upon by a single will call vote. there will be no separate conversation unless a member so requests, at which time it will be considered as a separate item later in the meeting. the approval of the meeting minutes. explanatory documents. the, approval of the meeting minutes. c, approval of the june minutes, explanatory documents, the special meeting minutes. these are action items.

[ayes] >> for the past three years, i have had a candy store. i welcome the opportunity to be a part of the commission, and i hope i can learn some insight from the group. thanks. president yee riley: 50 p.m. welcomed. next item, please. clerk: this allows members of the public to vote mentioned things. general public comment. but they can suggest new agenda items for the commission's future consideration. president yee riley: any public

comment? seeing none, next item, please. clerk: item number four, a presentation of the small business commission said in its of honor recognizing a local small business as part of the small business recognition program. commissioner: commissioners, it is my distinct privilege and honor to give the small business recognition to the gallery and the owners, jeffrey frankel. this is a 30-year business that showcases photography and has been a pioneer for this effort. they have worked with many people, well recognized and pioneering cryptographers, but i have to say that this gallery came to my attention through