apologize for the late start. we have four members, so we had to wait to get a quorum before we could begin the committee

meeting , so the thank you very much for your patience. i would like to call to order this meeting, this meeting of the ad hoc committee. this means that all members of the board have been invited, and we welcome the commissioners who are not members of the committee, as well as the staff. this is the meeting for monday, september 13, 2010. 4 board, the attendance areas and elementary to middle school feeder patterns and a general education transportation policy, so we will with the staff presentation, and and public comment. so there are a lot of people here tonight. w=i am glad you are here. the subject is very important to all of us, so we are going to

the answers are available, and we will begin with the staff presentation. superintended? >> yes, before we turn it over to arlene and archie, i really do want to commend one person for taking on this challenge and j this great input over a long time, actually, but particularly in the last couple of months. i think this has been very valuable for us, and i think you will see this evening that we have taken the time to really hear what our community has to say, so thank you. thank you, commissioners, and superintendent, and the public. i have a presentation tonight that is divided intongd three attendance areas. the third is the transportation

policy. i begin, i wanty that there has been a lot of information made available over the last two years. i know it is always great tp;! have more data, but it is good for people to have an idea of how to access the data, so there is a website, at sfpuc. in the objectives tonight are two sure we have heard from the and we are thankful particularlt couple of months, have invested a lot of time for this feedback. what we are doing is preventing this as a very high dashon level summary, and a written report will be shared by the end of

september, -- a very high level summary. we want to incorporate this into the resolution so it can be incorporated for action on september 28, so that is the objective. in terms of the staff presentation, we will start with the attendance areas, and we have three areas that we are making recommendations to change the boundaries, and we will go through those in detail. we also love a recommendation from the middle school feeder and pattern -- feeder pattern. we will provide a high-level review and share our proposals for the approach in the interim plan for allocating these that need to accompany any delay.

we are going to propose a new timeline. instead of bringing it back to the board on september 28 for the second reading, we will bring it back to the board in november and have it by january, so we will not throw the long term goals off in terms of the implementation, but we will allow more time for feedback. we want to share some implications of the policy. we want to make sure vote before we go any further about the bus stops for transportation, -- >> i just want to clarify.

when we talk about a new timeline, so they will know before they submit their applications. >> yes, thank you, commissioners for pointing that out. we are delaying the amount of time between the first and second reading, but we are not delaying the ultimate goal, and january, to submit applications. so these are really just there for context. i think we have covered these before. every student would have in attendance area school. they are necessary if they wish, but it is not possible to accommodate all.

there is actually a mismatch between where people live and where the schools are located, and when we were drawn the attendance area boundaries, we looking at the attendance of schools, avoiding natural highways and the typography, and creating a single area and maximizing diversity. i am action going to refer mostly to this larger map, because i think it will be a better idea. it is not possible to of schools in the center of attendance areas, and because of the distribution of students across the area, and not borrow -- all schools are ideally located, and there willvrúz=7adá3-mt3é located within one or two blocks

of the boundary, and there are a lot better on the edge of the boundary, and there are a lot of reasons for that. ñuhçabout some restrictions, se constraints, given the distribution, it is impossible to avoid that scenario. in some cases where the attendance areas are small, it either means that there is another school close to iû9í÷z- with larges either not densely populated or further from another school, and that is where you see these attendance areas. the community on the attendance areas, most of the conversations _xthat were focused on the midde schools as feeder patterns, but with email and with in-person meetings, we got a lot of feedback, and where we got

specific feedback with regard to them, the first two bullets that are in blue, we evaluated the feedback we received and do not have a recommendation based on that, but we have recommendations for the last three in certain areas of the cityép come -- areas of the cit, and i want to make sure that members of the board can see this, too. >> can you turn the microphone on there in front of you? ok, thank you. góit will not be recorded if its not on the microphone. >> ok, so is the microphone putting -- picking it up?

and there was a suggestion from the community thatel this attendance area, -- they have got one-way streets. mwkjrthereg@ are three streets e small and on a hill, and maybe, darlene, if you can push the powerpoint, it shows, and we are

recommendations has to do with -- " >> when you do that, could you point to it, too, because on television, the laser pointer does not show. it looks like you are pointing to somewhere far to the left. >> ok. it is this small area right here that we are suggesting become part of the area. the next area recommendation two, i believe, has to do with the sunnyside, so this is the area of the city that is here that is color coded in yellow, blue, and light blue, so we are actually recommending to move the boundary further north, and that will move this boundary out to this area here, and to incorporate, i believe is the par+r"tqpip 6 c1 westwood park. >> so this puts all of west would park in there. >> -- all of the west would park -- westwood park.

>> we are increasing our ability to have diversity, so that is the recommendation that is here, and it obviously impact sunnyside. the next side has to deal with this other area, and we were trying to make sure that we were increasing diversity and enrollment. the intended area was really small, and this other one was very large, and it was designed that way because of a major street, but in looking at this more closely again, we had people who brought us in a lot of information.

safe passages in this area, so we are able to make their recommendation to have the attendance area follow up this way, followed the no. 67 bus, to the seventh part and then go this way. it actually creates a larger attendance area. it more evenly distribute the area and would balance enrollments. we then looked at the glen park area. this area is again designed, not taking into account that there are these overpasses and underpasses, which do make it impossible to cross over, so when and ends up being a relatively small attendance area given the densities that are there. -- so it ends up being a relatively small attendance

area. mission street, and cut it across here, and by doing that, it would create an island, so we are proposing to put this part into monroe, and this attendance area actually becomes smaller. it is a very densely populated area of the city, so it would actually alleviate some of the attention of those who live near it and the site of the school. this is what we are proposing in terms of modification to the attendance areas, and i will go back to my microphone. commissioner norton: is that a revised map online, on the website? >> that is a good question. as you can see, we have done it

by hand. we are trying to be economical. it is very expensive to hire cartographers. this incorporates all of that into a revised map that we put on the web page and put in the agenda for the 28th, which will go to print the week of the 20th, so we essentially have the rest of the week to make the changes and get something online if the board approves this. commissioner norton: members of the question -- public of questions of the issue. haute >> we actually have it on the powerpoint. we have listed the names of the street. we talk about the border following the 67 bus route. at least we have the description and the school. >> this is what we would like to

do, and this may be difficult, but we so appreciate your being here. we have these three areas, the elementary attendance area that we just got the attendants on, the proposed feeder patterns, excuse me. [phone buzzes] we cannot do this, this is not going to work, and we do not have the capacity to do that, and i went to first reiterate and remind everybody and think this step in particular and also all of the members of the public who have given feedback on the elementary school feeder pattered on all of these proposals. thank you so much for your concern and your participation and the hard work that everyone has done, so you can see that there have been some responses

to the community feedback, which is great. we have had oral reports as well as summaries. however, if there is nothing that has not been brought up this evening for us to take into consideration or for the board to know, or if you want to comment, if you are prepared with this new information on these proposed changes, we will take testimony on these issues. we will see how many people want to come and speak on those things, if any, and we will have to make some judgments about the time and about whether or not we can follow this and then take testimony later on the feeder pattern and take testimony on the transportation, so if anybody has anything they would like to say about these changes and about the elementary school attendance areas, please come to

the podium. i am going to ask you, please, please, please to try very hard not to say at a community meeting what you said or what you have given online, because all of those things are being summarized to us, and the board will have all of that feedback already. i know this is difficult, but we also have a lot of people, and we want to be able to hear from as many people as possible, and right now, we are only talking about the elementary school attendance area. if you would not mind, if anybody has any other clarifying questions, we could do that now. >> i was just curious because you have noted in the presentation that there are a number of areas, so, specifically, the peabody area, i actually heard from community

members today. if people have put in a request or have given some feedback to us that is not reflected here, where does that stand? is that done, and we consider we are not going to make the change? how is that? >> thank you, commissioner. yes, we listened to and reviewed all of the feedback that was shared with us, and we've evaluated whether or not it was something we would want to evaluate as a change in boundaries, and so, for example, it was in the interest of time that i did not go through all of them, but just as an example, with peabody, the small attendance areas, schools that are very close to each other, with a big part, and wanting to balance enrollment at both, there are some areas of the city, and there are some schools that both would like to have in their attendance area. we wanted to do what was most

equitable in balancing enrollment, so that is an example, and i could go through all of them, but i just got in the interest of -- commissioner: i did not know that it was going to be, "thank you very much for your feedback, but we have considered it." is that it? >> we have bringing for the recommendations, so everything we have heard, we are not recommending. commissioner: we are not going to take any more feedback? >> i think that is a good question for the board. our sense is that we have had a period of feedback and have evaluated. we are really eager to finalize these by september 28. this is the process it was on.

commission: having a report that they would have given on the peabody. anybody else? i know this is a short time. commissioner yee? commissioner yee: thanks for the report. we may not have the answer for this.

this is contrary to policy. i am speaking of the bungalows. then, when i went around to some of the schools, have the new bungalows, it seems that for the last two years, it seems like we are doing that anyway. what capacity are you looking at? if you did do that, i think that is a mistake.

is it ok to have half of the yard filled with bungalows? it meets the capacity of the yard and meeting the capacity of the school. i do not know if you have an answer for that. commissioner: in terms of the capacity, we ask them to let them know how many classrooms they have, this is multiplied by

the number of classrooms and taking into account at the elementary level, the fire code, and all of that was taken into consideration. the numbers that we have do include bungalows in the event that that is considered. commissioner: we're going to have to refer that to other committees. i know this is very hard, but if we are going to try to do this, that is what we are going to have to try to do. actually, identify yourself for the record.

>> i live at 24th, where i believe it is the only tracked -- track. i am concerned because the elementary schools are not sustainably drawn. in other words, they will use this preference will be to go to higher performing is -- performing schools elsewhere. this is not the kind of performance that cesar chavez elementary has. sustainable diversity, but not to a school that is failing, and

i am not sure you can do that. >> ok, hi. my name is -- i live in dogpatch at 22nd and hennessey. there was a proposed area for daniel webster, which is drawing all of dogpatch into daniel webster, and then there is a dead and at minnesota, like half a block off of 22nd street, and then it did in south of 22nd street, so it is a really small part that is left out. -- and then if it did and -- it dead ends south of 22nd street.

there would probably be no other kids in a region that are willing to go there, and also, a 30-minute walk four as compared to about a 10-minute walk to daniel webster -- a 30-minute what -- walk for us. commissioner yee: thank you. >> yes, this is also a boundary issue. many of the worst schools in the city are in those zones, and there is a way of opting out of them. however, as the first speaker mentioned, there are small pockets within those zones that are simply stuck in the school area, because they are not in that zone. so i figured out that we are in the worst four blocks in san francisco in terms of public

schools. we live in an api 2, cesar chavez, and we are the only four blocks that cannot leave the area. that is not fair. i know that parents know that they are being screwed in that area. over and over again. >> good evening. my name is byron. i also want to commend that person for doing a great job for putting together a lot of information and a lot of requests into a policy, but i wanted to tell the board that i think they made a big mistake when they put this above local preference and gave local preference no set aside. some of the drugs before march, local preference had some percentage of schools, but once you put back above that, the only map that matters is the map

on the right, because a high the desired schools, parents are going to find a way to get an address in there, even if it is only for a couple of months, and meanwhile, the map on the left, where people think they will get into their neighborhood school if it is a highly desired school, a pretty much do not have a chance, so i want you to think about what this means and how you're going to enforce it and how long someone has to live in there before they qualify, and then after they qualify, do they have to keep living there? do they only have to live there for a couple of months to get their kid in? thank you. commissioner: i just want to remind everybody that we are not proposing that we change the policy. we would be happy to discuss these things. >> my name is -- and i live in the dogpatch area.