average cost of the school bus, we'd be saving money? if we could do an analysis, that would help me. commissioner: i just want to say this. the issue of the frequency of bus lines around school start times, we have three or four new directors, in what i think is that the timeline is too short. planning for the budget crisis, whenever, and their high level

discussions about long-term planning. i would tell you that this would be framed in the context of transit first. if you want people to choose their schools, taking kids to school by car and maximizing public transportation, they're going to have to be planning years and years out to change generally all of the bus routes or only some. to change the frequency. because changing the frequency of buses, this is what i mean. they have built in a lot of very frequent bus routes and 5:00 in the afternoon but none at 3:00 in the afternoon. and that is usually an afternoon issue, because kids go to school

at the same time adults go to work, so it is the coming home from school that is the issue, and i think we need to talk to them about long term planning. whenever we think about that is great. that seems to be the sticking point. some have said you cannot imagine what it would be liked they do not have the equipment, whether -- whatever, so i think we are aiming to a low. >> we actually had somebody at

the table this time around, which we usually do not have anybody working with unique on this, and it in director ford is looking for to that. we have not been able to do that. they're very interested in morning to help with that, and they consistently asked about what would work. we figure out what our own plan is, but certainly, the routes they have added and the way in which they look at patterns, it was actually a person at the table.

commissioner: the main area i have is the afterschool proposal. we do not have full capacity, and just looking at my own schools, there are kids that are being bused to four or five after-school programs. if you are saying that we would not suddenly offered transportation to his children that are being bussed off-site, they have nowhere to go. their families depend on it after school. until we can guarantee capacity, we cannot jerk that right out from under the families. i think there would be a willingness, but i think we have

to be thoughtful about that. it is somewhat unfair of us to say there is no capacity on site for your kid, and there is no capacity and our child development for your kids, so therefore, we are quick to charge you for something that you have been getting for free. so if we're going to ask people to pay, what we need to do is ask it places said that where there is capacity on site, we could say to people, ok, you're going to have to pay for it. so i really would just urge us to be thoughtful about that, it is after school is one of those things that is absolutely essential. you cannot expect a six-year old to get home on the muni by themselves.

anyway, so that is my strongest reaction that i have. i think, also, i am open to not grandfathering stops, and i think we have to draw the line somewhere. i just think we have to give notice about this year, you will have it. next year, you will not. as commissioner wynns said, it may be so draconian that i would not vote for it. we cannot be cavalier about that. >> i am going to direct staff to do an analysis on these. as much as i like a lot of these items, the reality is, here we

are in september, and we do not even have a budget for the state of california. i hate to be the party crasher here, but we do not know where we're going to end up yet, and we know that for next year, after making $113 million worth of cuts, we're still going to have to make more cuts, so i think it would behoove us to have a breakdown of what these different items would yield, because it is better to have that. it is good to already have that information clearly identified. yes, after-school programs are great, and especially, i agree with commissioner yee, if people cannot financially afford that, that is one thing to consider, but if they cannot afford it, i think they should afforded,

because we are not out of this crisis, and i wish that i could say that we are, but we do not know. we know that next year is going to be a really tough year, and we do not know how the year after that is going to be. i think it really helps all of us to make better decisions once we break down all of these different costs. if this other thing happens, this is something else we might do. for the most part, when we could afford this, it was great, but in reality, a lot of this stuff we can no longer afford, so we're going to have to make choices on class sizes and the different issues, and i think this also will have to have a number to it, just as we have a number for increasing class sizes, just as we have a book of list of all sorts of different things. i think it would behoove us to

get that down so that as we move forward -- just think, as crazy as it sounds, in january, you have got the state of the state address, ok? when you think we are already in september, and we do not have a budget, what state of the state address would we get when we do not even have a budget? so those are things that we're constantly looking at. regardless of the decision the board makes, we are going to get those numbers, because we need to make very well-informed decisions, and that would be a good mechanism to have in place. commissioner: ok, i have a couple of more comments to make. i really appreciate the cost of the after-school transportation. i appreciate what commissioner norton said. this is something we did not do

not that long ago. let us add a stop there, and then this one, and that one. this is something that nobody does but us. we are busing kids to private daycare situations. now, i do understand that people depend on it. they have come to depend on it, and that is why we're talking about it now as opposed to next year, and we're talking about changing the start time to save a lot of money. a few years ago, we talked about it in april. people said, "oh, my god, i do not have time to make these arrangements." now, we're talking about kind of one year in advance. we should look at all of these things. i personally think this issue of afterschool transportation to daycare, we should make it our

own. it is something in my mind that is in a separate category. some people are really dependent on it. class size are not having enough money to spend on food at lunch time, there are just things. i am making presumptions about the relative cost. it could be very little for all i know. commissioner: can i? commissioner: go ahead. commissioner: i think we want to have after-school at every school, but the reality is, we do not have that right now, and families have made choices and are continuing to make choices about expecting that there will be capacity for them, and so, by all means, let's rationalize it and have a plan about the after-

school programs, but until we can accommodate people who depend on us, i think it is, you know, i actually should think we should have a conversation. at some places, some parents might say, "i would rather have larger classes than get rid of the after-school programs." commissioner: that was the next thing i was going to say. i think whenever we know about the implementation about the afterschool plan, -- whatever we know, we need to know that at the same time that they're bringing us proposals for transportation. i said to the superintendent, "wait a minute. i thought we were going to implement that. we postponed it from this year to next year. i think we need to know that. also, part of that discussion,

and we had that last year, was about also the idea that we talked about for a long, long time about some kind of rfp for private providers to bring some of those in. maybe it will save money on transportation. convenience for everybody. so there are questions related to the after-school program. last, i do want to say that grandfathering is really an emotional question, but i think it is time. we are proposing a shift in student assignments. if we grandfather, we say just the ones that are in the school

now, so another five years, then what about the ones next year? it will never stop. we were making a remark about great-grandfather's, but, truthfully, -- about great- grandfathers, but, truthfully, we need to weigh that against as much as we know about what it costs us and have those resources are aligned. i guess i am against grandfathering, but unless some the convinces me otherwise -- i am willing to -- show us where that is not workable, where you need to grandfather, not just for people's conveniens. i would just quickly reiterates -- reiterate if they do not have the transportation for them, so

that may mean some kind of facilitated process. ok, i think we are sort of there. we have some business. she tells me, i am sorry, that i failed to read out the number of the resolution that we made a recommendation on before, so the resolution for the attendance areas, the elementary attendance areas, and the substitute motion for the phased in feeder pattern is resolution 108. the committee made a recommendation positively to the board to pass that. this resolution, the general education transportation policy. the recommendation is that we accept a new timeline, and we would recommend to the board

that this will come back to us this would be on november 9. that is going to be the recommendation from the committee. and i want to thank all of the communities, those who have stayed to the bitter and, and those who have stayed home, may be watching on television now, and also, thanks to the staff and to members of the board, all of whom were here. i think that and i hope that the members of the public understand how important all of this work is for almost every member of the board who has been here.

so our next meeting is october 13, which is a change date, because the monday is a holiday that week. they key to everybody for coming. dch

>> as the city of san francisco has grown, there are a number of cultural organizations that have grown with it. the san francisco symphony, the ballet, and ensure we are celebrating the 75th anniversary of the san

francisco museum of modern art's. one of the things many of our viewers may not understand about museums is the way they grow and evolve is really about a broad. his patient and support from many individuals who give their collections -- and broad support from many individuals who give their collections to the museum. this year it will be celebrating and abolishing those individuals through exhibition -- and acknowledging those individuals throughout asia. joining me is janet bishop, the curator. i understand you have been with the museum quite a number of years. you remember its original home on van ness. now you are part of that transition to the center, the civic center, and of course your

museum has been really the anchor of cultural tenants that has helped us transform this area of the city. >> to my mind, it is wonderful to be part of such a rich cultural community. when visitors come to this area, that have so many different options. >> let's talk about the anniversary show, which will be a phenomenal opportunity for san franciscans and all visitors of the city to get a real sense of how the city has grown and the importance of culture. >> we focus on moments where it was involved in pushing the dialogue about contemporary art forward. the jackson pollock exhibition in 1945 is a perfect example of that. our founding director was deeply interested in abstraction and was engaged in dialogue with the guggenheim about bringing the jackson pollack showed to the west coast.

the original price for the painting, $750. are directors thought that was too much of a stretch before the board of trustees, so she convinced them to reduce the price to firefighter dollars. it was just -- to $500. it was what was needed to persuade the board. it is a very subjective history of art. it has been very much shaped by the individuals involved with the museum over the years. in 1935, would start with the gallery with works that came in through albert bender, one of our founding trusties. when we opened our doors in 1935, 181 of the 186 pieces in our permanent collection had been gifted. >> what are the names that pop out as the museum evolved? >> we have another gallery that looks at the theories that the

museum has since the late 1980's. we focus on a particular aspect of that program that developed under one of art curators. he arrived in 1989 and was especially interested in artists. >> are some of the highlights? >> one of the aspects of the museum program that i have been especially involved with have been the exhibitions that stand for society for the encouragement of contemporary art. it is encouraged to honor exceptional bay area artists during their careers. for instance, an early worked who showed here in 1996. for this exhibition, he has extended an updated it to 2010

with the addition of photographs and other frameworks. >> thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> as we examine the 75th anniversary, we cannot overlook its important role as an educational institution and how it brings public program to all of our citizens in the bay area. try me now to talk about that is dominick, the curator of education and public programs. you are vested with a multifaceted responsibility, with education and also multimedia. could you explain that? >> there are three main areas. we produce education activities for all ages, k-12, and adults,

and we also produce a lot of educational media, a lot of interviews with artists, stuff that we published online, and other galleries. there's also a public program, which include some educational activities, but also live cultural programming for the artists projects. >> what are all the ways that the museum reaches out? >> the latest platform for educational media is launching right now with his anniversary. we have gotten to the point where we could put a lot of the content about artists, the stories behind artists we have had on line, but those on to the ipod touch. >> could you talk about the education role that the museum plays in the city of san francisco? >> we are in the middle of a new initiative to provide more

resources and programs for families and the locality. we are benefiting from a grant from the wallace foundation, and in the last two years many more bay area families have come to the museum, participated in the programs, most of which take place on sundays. we will see more and more different offerings rolled out in the coming months. >> thank you, dominic, for being part of "culture wire." >> the museums are almost like a team sport. there is a tremendous amount of talented staff that puts together patrons to help support the institutions, but they all need a coach. the coach is the director. neal, could you let the viewers know, you have been director how long?

>> we are working on eight years. >> now you have the 75th anniversary. how does that feel? >> we opened this building in 1995. it was bought at that time as a move from the civic center and the veterans building 2 third street, into our new building, a much expanded space, better space. it will be wonderful for the museum for decades to come. and 15 short years we have been amazed by we have outgrown the building. the collection has grown to 26,000 works. >> was a challenging to decide what was going to be put on display during the anniversary year? >> 3 people on our staff spent 2 1/2 years of going through archives, the storage vaults,

honor think all kinds of works that we have not seen -- uncovering lot of works that we have not seen but also history we uncovered about how we presented a television show produced by the museum, in the museum, in 1950. a lot of great stories that the presentation tells. >> the most recent news was the incredible decision on the part of donna morris fisher to give their collection to sfmoma. >> think it is commonly understood that the fischer collection was 1100 works by some of the great contemporary works, one of the great collections in the world. in fact, the collection has not been seen. it has been largely stored at the headquarters, there has never been a publicationr