any sense for us to purchase extra time for two hours, and how much would that cost? if you compare that to the average cost of the school bus, we'd be saving money? if we could do an analysis, that would help me. commissioner: i just want to say this. the issue of the frequency of bus lines around school start times, we have three or four new

directors, in what i think is that the timeline is too short. planning for the budget crisis, whenever, and their high level discussions about long-term planning. i would tell you that this would be framed in the context of transit first. if you want people to choose their schools, taking kids to school by car and maximizing public transportation, they're going to have to be planning years and years out to change generally all of the bus routes or only some. to change the frequency. because changing the frequency of buses, this is what i mean. they have built in a lot of very frequent bus routes and 5:00 in

the afternoon but none at 3:00 in the afternoon. and that is usually an afternoon issue, because kids go to school at the same time adults go to work, so it is the coming home from school that is the issue, and i think we need to talk to them about long term planning. whenever we think about that is great. that seems to be the sticking point. some have said you cannot imagine what it would be liked

they do not have the equipment, whether -- whatever, so i think we are aiming to a low. >> we actually had somebody at the table this time around, which we usually do not have anybody working with unique on this, and it in director ford is looking for to that. we have not been able to do that. they're very interested in morning to help with that, and they consistently asked about what would work. we figure out what our own plan is, but certainly, the routes

they have added and the way in which they look at patterns, it was actually a person at the table. commissioner: the main area i have is the afterschool proposal. we do not have full capacity, and just looking at my own schools, there are kids that are being bused to four or five after-school programs. if you are saying that we would not suddenly offered transportation to his children that are being bussed off-site, they have nowhere to go. their families depend on it after school.

until we can guarantee capacity, we cannot jerk that right out from under the families. i think there would be a willingness, but i think we have to be thoughtful about that. it is somewhat unfair of us to say there is no capacity on site for your kid, and there is no capacity and our child development for your kids, so therefore, we are quick to charge you for something that you have been getting for free. so if we're going to ask people to pay, what we need to do is ask it places said that where there is capacity on site, we could say to people, ok, you're going to have to pay for it. so i really would just urge us to be thoughtful about that, it

is after school is one of those things that is absolutely essential. you cannot expect a six-year old to get home on the muni by themselves. anyway, so that is my strongest reaction that i have. i think, also, i am open to not grandfathering stops, and i think we have to draw the line somewhere. i just think we have to give notice about this year, you will have it. next year, you will not. as commissioner wynns said, it may be so draconian that i would not vote for it. we cannot be cavalier about

that. >> i am going to direct staff to do an analysis on these. as much as i like a lot of these items, the reality is, here we are in september, and we do not even have a budget for the state of california. i hate to be the party crasher here, but we do not know where we're going to end up yet, and we know that for next year, after making $113 million worth of cuts, we're still going to have to make more cuts, so i think it would behoove us to have a breakdown of what these different items would yield, because it is better to have that. it is good to already have that information clearly identified. yes, after-school programs are

great, and especially, i agree with commissioner yee, if people cannot financially afford that, that is one thing to consider, but if they cannot afford it, i think they should afforded, because we are not out of this crisis, and i wish that i could say that we are, but we do not know. we know that next year is going to be a really tough year, and we do not know how the year after that is going to be. i think it really helps all of us to make better decisions once we break down all of these different costs. if this other thing happens, this is something else we might do. for the most part, when we could afford this, it was great, but in reality, a lot of this stuff we can no longer afford, so we're going to have to make choices on class sizes and the

different issues, and i think this also will have to have a number to it, just as we have a number for increasing class sizes, just as we have a book of list of all sorts of different things. i think it would behoove us to get that down so that as we move forward -- just think, as crazy as it sounds, in january, you have got the state of the state address, ok? when you think we are already in september, and we do not have a budget, what state of the state address would we get when we do not even have a budget? so those are things that we're constantly looking at. regardless of the decision the board makes, we are going to get those numbers, because we need to make very well-informed decisions, and that would be a good mechanism to have in place. commissioner: ok, i have a

couple of more comments to make. i really appreciate the cost of the after-school transportation. i appreciate what commissioner norton said. this is something we did not do not that long ago. let us add a stop there, and then this one, and that one. this is something that nobody does but us. we are busing kids to private daycare situations. now, i do understand that people depend on it. they have come to depend on it, and that is why we're talking about it now as opposed to next year, and we're talking about changing the start time to save a lot of money. a few years ago, we talked about it in april. people said, "oh, my god, i do not have time to make these

arrangements." now, we're talking about kind of one year in advance. we should look at all of these things. i personally think this issue of afterschool transportation to daycare, we should make it our own. it is something in my mind that is in a separate category. some people are really dependent on it. class size are not having enough money to spend on food at lunch time, there are just things. i am making presumptions about the relative cost. it could be very little for all i know. commissioner: can i? commissioner: go ahead. commissioner: i think we want to have after-school at every

school, but the reality is, we do not have that right now, and families have made choices and are continuing to make choices about expecting that there will be capacity for them, and so, by all means, let's rationalize it and have a plan about the after- school programs, but until we can accommodate people who depend on us, i think it is, you know, i actually should think we should have a conversation. at some places, some parents might say, "i would rather have larger classes than get rid of the after-school programs." commissioner: that was the next thing i was going to say. i think whenever we know about the implementation about the afterschool plan, -- whatever we know, we need to know that at the same time that they're bringing us proposals for transportation. i said to the superintendent,

"wait a minute. i thought we were going to implement that. we postponed it from this year to next year. i think we need to know that. also, part of that discussion, and we had that last year, was about also the idea that we talked about for a long, long time about some kind of rfp for private providers to bring some of those in. maybe it will save money on transportation. convenience for everybody. so there are questions related to the after-school program. last, i do want to say that

grandfathering is really an emotional question, but i think it is time. we are proposing a shift in student assignments. if we grandfather, we say just the ones that are in the school now, so another five years, then what about the ones next year? it will never stop. we were making a remark about great-grandfather's, but, truthfully, -- about great- grandfathers, but, truthfully, we need to weigh that against as much as we know about what it costs us and have those resources are aligned. i guess i am against grandfathering, but unless some the convinces me otherwise -- i am willing to -- show us where that is not workable, where you

need to grandfather, not just for people's conveniens. i would just quickly reiterates -- reiterate if they do not have the transportation for them, so that may mean some kind of facilitated process. ok, i think we are sort of there. we have some business. she tells me, i am sorry, that i failed to read out the number of the resolution that we made a recommendation on before, so the resolution for the attendance areas, the elementary attendance areas, and the substitute motion for the phased in feeder pattern is resolution 108. the committee made a recommendation positively to the board to pass that. this resolution, the general

education transportation policy. the recommendation is that we accept a new timeline, and we would recommend to the board that this will come back to us this would be on november 9. that is going to be the recommendation from the committee. and i want to thank all of the communities, those who have stayed to the bitter and, and those who have stayed home, may be watching on television now, and also, thanks to the staff

and to members of the board, all of whom were here. i think that and i hope that the members of the public understand how important all of this work is for almost every member of the board who has been here. so our next meeting is october 13, which is a change date, because the monday is a holiday that week. they key to everybody for coming.

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after school at 3. . 30 i hop on the bus and go to work with kids. i didn't realize i was going to get up that early for the rest of my life. >> it's hard to get good jobs. you can get well paid working at restaurants i was making good money that's not my 50 year goal working as a waitress.

it would be better to have something to fall back on i wanted something where i would in 10 years accumulate properties. >> 3 months is a long time to be busy all day. i'm putting myself further in debt with the understanding it's worth the sacrifice. eating raman for 3 months. it's not fun but i think it will be worth it. >> we all want to graduate we are all tired of this class. been 11 weeks. one more week to go. >> i need to get these mraps out. >> my purpose is to get the recruits prepared for the construction training. >> what you do is get a 2 by 6

sitting on the saw horses. we will cut 10 feet. everybody going to get one and you measure up 6 inches. you sure you got 8 feet. >> as a carpenter you have to let them know what's expected and they need to know the stuff to get going on the trades. >> the main thing they need to know is how to carry the stuff on the job and the hussle. >> you can't work with the gloves. >> my part is a small part. my part is the best part. the part that really teaches them how to go out and fish rather than go to the fish market. my job is how to teach them to fish when the fish market is closed. >> this requires i thinking. when you go on the job site they will pay you 20-15, dollars an

hour you have to think and figure stuff out and get the jobs done in a record time. >> one of the things we try to teach with the construction trades is your attitude going to work. how employers look on new workers and it's about profitability and productivity. it's not how much swings it takes to drive, you know, ita about do you have the right attitude? can you show up on time? can you make the company money? >> 12.5 times 15. >> i don't want you to use the calculator. >> the students go through approximately 420 some hours of training. we operate at the campus of the

community college a 12 week, full time program, 7-3:30. >> if you were going to figure out how much [inaudible] you need you rounding up. >> average age of individuals in the trades is in the 40's from what we are told. in the 50's quite frankly those folks are getting ready to retire. we see a void. >> the average is making 60-80 thousand dollar a year more with benefits much it's hard work i will not lie. >> if you like working with your hands and creative and you look at a building and say, i did that finish and that building is there for a hundred years. come to my program you will work for anyone in the country. >> we send people to the dry waller the carpenters and the

plummers. >> we are conscious who we give a job referral to. >> we look at the skills part as far as hayou do with a hammer and nail there are other components to be able to be a team player. be able to take directs and be precise and punctual things like this you need to help you keep your jobs. >> we will looking at the interviews today and doing the critiquing from the papers. >> i was thinking last week we were talking ask that was so much thinking going on about the interview and how i was going to

do it. >> i feel like, me, as an african-american woman and older woman with children i feel i have to set an example. a lot of people don't know how to deal with anger and conflicts. the kids here look up to me. if i do something and don't set an example then they are going to follow. since i've been a positive roll model, coming to school everyday. some of those kids pick up on that and i see the improvement in them. >> one thing that i knew but the class helped reinstate is that you have to check yourself. we are all grown adults. >> i try to be motivated in everything i do in my life. if you don't encourage yourself to do something or do things for

yourself you can't expect somebody else will do it for you. some people didn't make it to class because they have a bad attitude and decided it wasn't worth it. >> when you do something you have to understand why you are doing it and you can't say and come in and say, i will make good money. construction's not like that you have to want to do it because it's not aedz work. you have to want to get up and go to work and do physical labor for 8 hourses. >> i lived next to biotechnology companies and was a recruiter. i was getting tired and felt sluggish. >> i knew from the first day we were outside being outside having fun, climboth ladder and hammer and the physical labor i knew it was something i would enjoy. to say i put 15 years into this

and not retire a multimillionaire but retire healthy and feel good about the work i have done. >> the greatest accomplishment is you drive by a building or bridge and say, i helped build that bridge or helped build the building on market street. the most greatest reward for me is i taught that student to work on the bay bridge. taught the student operating the crane that student was in my class. >> our goal is to have a core group of people, we are hoping it's over 50 percent of your

grads complete and become journey people andup standing good roll models and citizens. the largest public works our city has season in many years going on now the private project that 1 rincon hill. huge project. we had 5 or 6 people work on that project thus far. the rebuilding of the academy of science in golden gate park. the rebuilding of our public hospital laguna honda this is on going work with the same contract ors that move successful apprentices from one project to another and keep them working for several years. the construction workers of the future to be the superintendents the construction owners. that's the perfect thing there. that's success.

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