location. i think that hopefully we have eliminated any questions that they have. the demographics are different. we will be out here for a restaurant and bar more than a lounge. >> are there any commissioners questions?

>> the ownership includes the two of you. any of the previous owners of this thing you when this was the highest involved in this? >> we might have a small center. there is no voting or managerial employed. >> have a seat and we will take public comment. seeing none, we will take a motion. >> yes, i move to approve.

>> with conditions. >> this is just for approval? >> there is a second. >> same house, called. >> good luck. >> this is item number f, the

applicant,wendy zeng dba has american karaoke center. they are applying for a place of entertainment. the applicant has applied it to run karaoke with no alcohol selling only soft drinks and prepackaged foods. operation is from 2:00 p.m. until 2:00 a.m.. the occupancy is listed at 85 by the fire department. planning has indicated that this is permitted to continuing use. the station has had very specific concerns and has outlined the conditions that are attached to this memo. in particular, please note that

they requested that the business close at 10:00 p.m. for six months. the applicant has responded to each condition and i have attached also the responses in italics. the staff has received one letter of opposition dated september 14th. the staff has also received numerous letters of opposition many of which are attached as well as for given to you as part of the packaging or binder. there's also a letter from the applicant to the commission and an additional letter to the commission from the applicant represented. i want to draw your attention to these documents behind the memo that are related to these set of

conditions. the applicant is here with her representation and if there are any questions that you have, staff is recommending a conditional grant at this time. they are in a position to receive a final grant. >> my name is marsha garland. i am here to represent this.

this is based on an injunction that had been drawn up by the city attorney for the previous owner. recently, that a planning commission hearing, there was another karaoke business. there is some resistance in our society to the notion of society.

let me give you some visuals. this is the old place. these are very broad streets. there has been an issue with smoking and the illegal use of alcohol on the premises. i wish you had more clients like

kurt. this is open until 2:00 or 3:00. we've really got our eyes open. this is no closing at 12th. the big issue here is that the police captain with who we met, we have done an amazing amount of hours both together and when we have gone door-to-door. the previous owner would like to end earlier.

10:00 just doesn't make it in this business. also nearby, three blocks away, this is her nearest competitors. this is not permitted as of yet. they are allowed to stay open until 2:00 a.m. without a permit. i will step back and let wendy speak for herself. >> good evening, commissioners. i feel it is unfair that we have to close at 10:00 p.m. because 70% of my business comes from after 10:00 p.m.. my customers are mostly college students and family people who

are looking for a safe and clean place to relax. please permit my business to open until 2:00 a.m. >> commissioners, any questions. >> you held other businesses, what kind of businesses are they? >> tapioca. >> what is your experience in running the operation of a karaoke club? >> i love to work with people and basically for the past six years, i have managed two shops. >> you don't have any experience with a karaoke club? >> he doesn't. -- she does.

>> we have been hosting for the high school. >> how will you prevent alcohol from coming into the club in some way? >> when a customer walks in, we will pass them to open their backs to see if alcohol and then we could ask security to make sure that they did not bring this in. >> i put the bottle down my pants, this is not in the bag. >> to also use a want -- a w and. >> we will be conducting pat

downs and we will have the wands as well. as far as someone having a flask or something, those of the types of things that we try to avoid and hopefully that will not happen. if they have them in their underwear or deep down in their pants, that is kind of tough. >> will you have female security guards? >> we will have a female and male. we will have two officers. will someone inside and won an

onset of the board and as needed for pat downs as far as males or females, we will do >> my last question is for anyone of you. your opening a karaoke club with the same configuration. you are changing the name. let me finish my question. how is it that you intend to stop the previous clientele from showing up to that karaoke club? >> it is not a club. it is just a place for people to come, it's not a club. we don't have an alcohol license. my experience is mostly with college students. they make that club card -- i

only want to cater to college and family oriented. >> how are you going to do that? what method are you going to use to do that? >> we will advertise no alcohol, no smoking, and we will have security check on them. we will work with the security. we are a new business, we want a safe place for it. >> she has also voluntarily gotten the documents signed by the previous owner that they will not come near the premises. she also has taken -- and has

gotten her guard card. >> i don't really have any questions for you. i have gotten recommendations from the police department. in general, you seem to agree, you ask very specific objections, and it just wanted to mention to my fellow commissioners that the police have taken this very seriously, and we should probably review all of the recommendations that they have issues with before we make a final judgment. >> the one issue i have -- first of all, it was hard for me to understand what your experience is in running a venue like this.

>> she has a background in music. she was involved in her school in china, music and karaoke. here, she volunteered to help organize the carry a contest at the high school and worked very closely with the students there to put on that kind of event. she has been a schoolteacher. she worked with very young children. >> i am interested more focusing on management. >> she has never managed a karaoke place before. but she has done a lot of work in the karaoke --

>> that is my concern, the past history of this place. >> you can have a seat, i think. i would like to discuss this among the commissioners. the first objection is the police department, and closing time of 10:00 p.m.. after that, a review regarding the amount of police activity. i am inclined to favor this, but i would like to hear my fellow commissioners. >> i don't think the business can survive. young folks don't go out until 10:00 p.m. or 9:00 p.m. if we put that limit on her, she

would not make it. in my opinion. >> the time they want to stay open? 2:00? and you favor 10:00? >> is there a compromise? >> i would go midnight. >> there is a paragraph -- there are two copies of the conditions. the second paragraph refers to the previous owner, they are asking not to enter into any business, i just have problems with that regarding the legality

of it. i would personally put an x through that. >> you have an affidavit from the previous owners that they will not be involved? >> didn't carry alone? they don't carry anything? they have no connection to the business whatsoever? that has become part of the record, so if it is not true -- >> recommendations 1 through 4 are acceptable. you're just asking to be specific, that is pretty easily handled. skipping down, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 all acceptable.

no. 11, i would recommend leaving that in. 12 is acceptable. here is where we began to get into micromanaging the business. i would like to hear input from my fellow commissioners, creating a monthly report explaining how all complaints were handled and making that report available to the neighbors that want to do business? >> i agree that it is micromanaging, but they should provide and be able to do an incident report in case there is an incident. they are pretty standard among security companies, and should be part of the security plan. >> do you agree to that? ok. >> as far as making that available to the public, i am not sure what the legality is.

>> they will share with the police department. >> we would simply require that they maintain an incident report. 14, a weekly inspection to ascertain the conditions are the same. that is this committee -- confusing to me as it is to the applicant. >> it came from the fact that the previous owner had alcohol being sold in drinks that were carried out. >> we live and learn. i am in favor of leaving condition 14 in. >> the police can go in and inspected the anytime they want. if it is not a problem, they won't go in. if it is a problem, they will be there day and night.

they don't need this to go in there and check that plays out. >> to conduct weekly inspection of the property, what does that mean? >> i put a ix yh -- a big x through number 14. a weekly neighborhood meeting with issues, i am in favor of that? >> if such meetings exist. i would think it would be appropriate to have the police community relations meeting if the police request them to be there. if it has nothing to do with them, why sit around? >> 15 has been changed to be when requested by police.

19, shall keep a copy of the operating standards available during normal business hours. >> if the permit is posted, it is posted for anyone who needs to see it. that is the answer to that one. >> it must be produced upon request by an officer of the court. if you don't make it available to the public, you will be in trouble. the business shall pay full cost of -- the full cost of recovery if police respond to calls for service. do we have the city attorney available? >> i don't think we can make

that a condition. >> i am not going to take responsibility for that. >> those items that we have discussed, we have public comment? >> before we do public comment, just for this place, it has always been my concern when an operator has no experience in operations. we have seen at before, and i am totally advocating that they all take a class. operating a public assembly where you charge admission is not doing high school karaoke. it is not the same thing. it is not even close. if you don't think it is a club, you are wrong. it is. it will be treated as one by the

public. if you feel it isn't, you are naive. having feeling the your a brand new operator, you're bringing in a security company, but you have to run the business. are you going to get desperate -- it is concerning to me. in making your decision on this permit, i want you to consider that all of the operators have come back to us and couldn't run their business that is a public assembly. >> i agree completely. if you don't abide by the conditions on this permit, we will take it away and you will

have wasted your money. you have to take this seriously. >> i recommend that. hopefully it seems like a security company has got a lot of the problems well in hand, but at some point, you might consider hiring a manager that has experience. that will be your business decision based on how long you will stay in business. is there any public testimony? >> president newlin, this is my second time here. i'm a third generation small- business owner. my dad and i to martial arts

school for 40 years in the same building. i have owned my business successfully, and that is one of my biggest challenges. we spoke about the out reach. there was no scheduled appointment. second, she put a piece of paper in front of me and said, i am going to do this, it is a family establishments. i said i have a family, i would never think to take my family a carry of the establishment. i asked her what is her background, and she said that she owned a couple of places and i said, the fact you have zero experience, that is a challenge. i think the history of the police department, not just the status is, but throughout san

francisco, they recognize that fact. with just a general karaoke establishment, you cannot stop those types -- it will kill your business. so how are you going to put in a written add, no smoking and no drinking? whether you let them open until 2:00 a.m. it is irrelevant. i haven't been cited once for cigarettes. i haven't -- i have had that done numbers of times. people smoke, throw up, and they would urinate in my door ways.

i might be the lone voice, but i speak for those that frequent my establishment we have dentistry for use. -- youth. i am a voice of concern. i am deeply challenged and concerned to allow this type of establishment be in our community right next door to me. president newlin: i understand your concerns. yes, sir? >> i am here to speak for them. with the past owner, i can understand, i was one of the people that had to deal with that mass and all the problems. it