round. this property fits the criteriaperson perfectly and has strong self-sustaining reuse potential. it is generally nope as 900 potential. it is generally nope as 900 innis avenue. this is a historic photo from the 1920 's. it was the boatyard where the hay scouts were built in the 1860's until the 1990's. it has natural shore hein. actual natural shoreline of san francisco. rec and park owns the adjacent properties. it really fits the criteria well. this is landmark, san francisco landmark number 250, the hunter's point ship house which is on the property. sadly -- this is what it looks like today. neglected, and covered in graffiti. we should all be ashamed of this

because -- i -- i thought i had three minutes, i have put everything in writing and -- i will give it to you and to the department. >> thank you so much. >> next speaker, please? >> good afternoon commissioners. howard strausburg. anticipating the difficulties, we sent you anticipating the difficulties, we sent you a letter about charging for, paing in golden gate park and the marina. i don't think anything happened. i'm here to ask you do ask your staff to do studies on these two parking collection areas. even if it is -- it could cost them smun, i could tell you if you institute parking fees in these areas, it would probably cost me something, not as much as them, but that's fine. this is great way to make money. some benefits of charging for parking in the large parks would mean that more people would use transit. more people walk and more people

will not drive around looking for free parking. it may even increase the rates that you charge that can be charged in the hole in the park, the garage and -- you -- you'll be able to use modern technology multiple meters to handle 10, 20 spots. you'll be able to change the the rates based on demand. this is the same kind of stuff that the city is doing everywhere it can. they'll help you do it. you'll become much more self-sufficient, you'll be able to increase your maintenance, increase all of the services that you provide rather than cutting them every year. you won't have a -- to bend over backwards to charge little fees for people entering parks that have been free for the thousand years. you won't rent out or give away your parks downtown for event that is the public can go to without paying large fees. this is something that you -- you should have thought about years ago. it -- there's plenty of time to direct your staff to do reports, the m.t.a. has -- growing number

of experts who can help you on this. it -- it fits in line with their plans of having variable meter rates and all of that kind of stuff. there's a growing body of information showing that -- that yow cannot give away -- y50eu can't -- never have enough parking if you give it away. dr. chuter is writing down south and l.a. is talking about the high cost of free parking. this is something that you could get to. i -- just -- just it just seems that any way you start this, it is going to be helpful in the long run and short run. thank you so much. >> commissioner lee. >> on your point, i know this was discussed quite a bit last year. i know katie had even set up a pilot and i don't know if you want to talk about that a bit. okay. >> let me -- let me weigh in. >> it was discussed. >> let me weigh in and say that this subject gets discussed extensively at a staff level. if every politician and lect official and community leader

shared your view, we might be a lot farther down the line. it is discussed extensively. i'm here representing the outdore roller skating oh. i have not been before you in a while. you have done such a wonderful job. >> could you say that again? >> into the mic. >> since 1978 i roller skated in golden gate park. every time, i find joy that most people can't imagine. this is why i spents 18 years trying to create the best rorle skating venue in the world. you were part of that and dan was instrumental in making that happen. it is also why i'm president of the outdore roller sports association. sadly the joy i found has been replaced by anxiety and

frustration. if you could put that up please. this was yesterday afternoon at -- about 4:30. traditionally wednesdays skaters were allowed to skate here. that's not the case nirm r-anymore. some call this a skating place or sixth avenue and j.f.k. logs and other debris are dragged out on to the surface and the benches which i personally made and donated to the park have been ground into splinters. thank you, d% splinters. thank you, department, for painting an oval on the street on our area last week. it improved safety for skaters on sundays but on weekdays it is irrelevant. we also appreciate that you will be putting signage at sixth avenue. i truthfully have doubts that unless we have an alternative location for skateboarders they will ignore it or find locations

in the park elsewhere to grind. this right here is a shakespeare. this is the bait hohn -- beethoven statue. it is not a hidden place. this is 3:00 in the afternoon. i know you have staff around and the skateboarders are chronicly all over & think they need to be reminded this is inappropriate in more than a reminding sort of way. i -- can i be very brief? >> very. >> i like to point out that three years ago the board of supervisors recommended that waller become a skating area. in april of 2009 several of you stood with -- with at the time jarrod and approved this space would be made a skate wording area. i have made a -- suggestions along with the skateboard association for things that could be done there that would cost nothing. we're told that the people that where going to design the

skateboard area in line to improve temporary structures there so the skateboarders would have a place to skate. i suggest you direct staff that we move with this as quickly as possible because skateboarding is not going away. we need to deal with it. >> thank you so much. >> good afternoon, commission, general manager. staff as well. >> i'm speaking in behalf of the a.s.o. community. i have been involved in meetings and commissions and an attitude and approach towards us has causetitude and approach towards us has caused the -- quite a bit of concern. for a lit -- we're a little disappointed because it hasn't

helped and there's been quite a bit of discrimination. that word "help" that i mentioned has not been providing us equal access. i defwoo like to make the suggestion to all of the staff, once -- want you to think about help as not -- not helping us and guiding us, we want to be able to have equal access. it seems that that is -- that is improved or your thought it would be im3r06ed with -- improved with helping us and helping our community. it really stayed the same. you do understand the word "access" but it seems it has been ignored and you focus on helping our community. there hasn't beech much improvement in the department. it seems most of the community lost respect for what you have been lacking and providing us.

we want the accessibility, not necessarily the help. we don't therapy. we don't need doctors or nurses or help. so we don't appreciate is not having the access. the last world cup, the department hosted, an approach. we didn't go -- my son was under age, we weren't allowed to go, the group felt if general the accessibility wasn't sufficient. those went to the bar, wee ask if they would turn on the captions, they said they couldn't because it was unacceptable. we would go to different places and not be provided that access. a couple of years ago when president obama made the speech in washington d.c. during his inauguration there was a wonderful access all around but the department here didn't provide the same access as it did in d.c.

my son told me there weren't many accessibility places for him. i had to remind people to turn on the caption setting. when we were watching the world cup, and other events. it seemed that many staff just around ignored our request. also would refuse to identify themselves. it had been extremely frustrating. it seems it has gotten considerably worse. we have requested interpreter services. sometimes we get turned down. we can't have the interpreter while we're watching television, that's a strong insult. as well as for everyone else in the community. so as to provide the service that is have the captions, that

you don't charge. i don't understand why the department is providing such an attitude and -- it feels like a very personal insult to us within the community. it is causing us to lose respect. so we're asking for access, not help. >> thank you so much commissioners. >> thank you so much. i am going to ask the staff if they could provide the commission with -- just at a fourt date, general information about how we broy access and maybe we could pursue this further. >> we have more. >> earnest teen weis and jeff cosal. i'm sorry i can't read this name. shock, allen jefferson, and let's see what it is at that point. we actually only have five more minutes, go ahead. >> my name is earn ness stein waters weis. it came to my attention this

past sunday at 9:00, we had an event in the herman plaza with the music blasting away at 9:00 this the morning. you have to talk to dana and reduce the decibels on -- des -- decibels on these permits. the community is fed up, no necessity to have such loud sound in a small area. you know how big justin herman plaza is. it is very small. let's stop the noise once and for all. first of all, the park is supposed to be passive, it is supposed to be for passive enjoyment. we need the money but we don't need the noise. sunday mornings and when people come home from work. please, stop the music. lower it. the next thing is -- there are there are rumors of a playground being proposed on the square right next to your proposed

bochy court. they want a playground there. have any of you ever gone down there to see exactly where this spot is? it is right on the border of the f line. give me a break. you want a 2-year-old to run out in the street and get killed by an f line? then next to the f line shelter, there's a handicap ramp which is quite wide next to it. this is not the place for a playground. all of the parks and the major cities do not have sports, do not have play grounds at waterfront parks. it is about time we copied what is nice and successful. new york sydney australia. vancouver, chicago, all have beautiful tasteful parks. let's have the same thing here. the next thing is -- they -- the leftover electric generators which are huge a and block 202 of the ferry park which peter pan put there for their -- their show has to go.

this cannot remain -- number one -- may i complete this statement. against the rules of the park when i -- were -- no buildings were to be built there-on. this has to be removed immediately. this will never be used again. that's the end of it. thank you. >> thank you. >> miss jefferson. >> and katherine howard, did you want to speak under general public? >> okay. thank you. >> my name is alan jefferson. i'm a resident at 1339 pier street and while we love the park and the renovation, we don't love the pal league there in the evenings. doing their practice. it is a very dangerous situation there. we have complained, our neighbors are -- our neighborhood association has complained to the park and recs to the police. and now i'm going to the fire department after -- after this because it -- the double parking, the belligerent behavior is a danger to the

children that dash if and out of the -- between the cars, running to their parents, you cannot get through pier street between 6:45 and 7:30 any evening, i welcome any of you to come out. i'm not sure if they're there this week but -- they may have ended it -- as of last week but i have to literally get out of my car and take 15, 20 minutes to go in to the park to find people who have blocked my driveway. i have to get cursed out by parents for blocking my driveway. i'm like drawing the line if the sand. i have been going through this for years. i think this -- the -- this department should have as a requirement when they rent the space that they provide you know some -- some traffic monitoring for that -- that area, because it is where -- for the safety. i'm an adult, i can handle myself. i can go out in the community and doo what i need to do. but these children, it is danger for these children to be

crossing the streetp1 kids to be crossing the street and dashing out with all of the cars. and i welcome any of you to come out and observe for yourself. it doesn't take brain surgery to figure the danger that's taking place. but my neighbors and i, we should not be harassed. we're taxpayers in the city and we should be able to have access in and out of our home free of belligerent, rude parents. so i ask that you come out. i'm just letting you know i'm on a mission to get this resolved, because i shouldn't deal with it and the children should not be placed in danger. president buell: thank you very much. we'll look into it. >> we have one more blue card and that's bruce mcclellan. >> hello, commissioners, i'm

here talking on behalf of -- i'm bruce mcclellan, the concession heir down at the ma reena green. right now -- not today, but it's going to be coming up. you're thinking about putting foods carts down at the marina grieb. i think the food carts are a wonderful idea in many locations where there aren't any facilities to offer the same services that food carts can offer. however, at the marina green there is a facility, our facility, and i would encourage you at this time to just start thinking about the placement of these food carts. i know they're going to be in the different parks around the city. i think that's great. but not where you already have a business. it is going to impact our business. a majority of our customers are the bicycle rental customers who drive their bikes all along the marina green and they buy

food at our concession. if you have these hoot carts further down there's going to spend their money before they get to us. from what i understand the percentage that the food carts are going to be paying is 10%. i'm currently paying 20%. my guaranteed minimum, which is $18,000 a year, overshadows the guarantee or the estimated income of $7,000 that they're going to be providing. we're hanging in there. we're doing well. we have exceeded our minimum last year. that was before the new cafe opened in the presidio 100 feet from our location. that was having an impact on us. i am concerned that the food carts, if you put them down in the marina green, are going to have a further impact on our business. i am your partner down at the marina green and i want to work

together with you, but this is going to make it kind of tough. thank you. president buell: thank you. >> we are done with general public comment at this time and we are on to item number five, which is the consent calendar. i do have one card and that is peter -- president buell: there is public comment at the end of the meeting as well, but we open it up to 15 minutes at the beginning of the meeting. so if you haven't been heard you'll get a chance for items that aren't on the agenda. >> peter? >> ok. is there any other public comment under the consent calendar? seeing known, public comment is closed. commissioners? >> moved to approve. president buell: it's been moved and seconded. any questions? hearing none, all those in favor. [chorus of ayes.

] president buell: it's unanimous. >> we're on to number six. vendor location. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm the director of partnerships and resource development for the department. i'm here today to present the location of the blue bottle coffee concession in delores park. on september 2 the commission approved a two-year permit. it was in response to feedback from the community, where they preferred not to have a five-year permit, but instead, preferred to have a shorter permit. at that meeting the commission also directed staff to locate blue bottle in the southwest quadrant of the park and to return to a future commission meeting to plent the proposed location. we have since met with blue bottle staff as well as operations staff to identify a suitable location. the proposed location is

adjacent to the children's play area in the southern portion of the park. the department staff worked closely to identify a location closer to 20th and church, but there's very little hardscape in that area, so this is the furthest or closest appropriate location to the proposed location. and this location is over 1,000 feet away from 18th street and delores. i also want to discuss what will happen when the playground undergoes renovation sometime hopefully next year. as this playground renovation will occupy a large part of the southern portion of the park, including the identified location for blue bottle coffee, it was necessary to find an alternative location during construction. and due to uncertain logistics -- construction logistics, we haven't identified exactly where that will go, but we are proposing that it will go against what is going to be a construction fence. it's also on this map. it's hard to see, but it's the

top sort of white box. this is almost 1,000 feet away from 18th street and delores. we had a community outreach meeting to discuss this and our vendor policy in general. it was held on september 27 at mission delores church right off the park. it was convened by delores park works and attended by approximately 45 to 50 people. there were panel relationships that included relationships from the recreation and park department, neighborhood parks council, blue bottle and delores park works. it was also facilitated by delores park works. at the meeting we presented the blue bottle location and responded to the community's concern about having vendors in the parks. in response, we -- due to those concerns, we have agreed vehemently to monitor the operation, the initiative and the park and i want to point out if negative impacts on the

park cannot be mitigated. the permits are fully revocable. president buell: thank you. do we want to hear public comment before we get commission comment? >> ok. elizabeth gibbons, julie flynn, daniella, rob lord, shakira finley. if you hear your name, please come forward. and deborah conscious. . . deborah -- thank you. >> my name is robert lord. i am the chair of delores park works. thanks for all the nice things said and thank you for the bathroom. that's a tremendous improvement and i appreciate a member of delores park works is actually

leaving the organization, crystal is here, for being an advocate for that. very quickly, as you may be aware, we're a community volunteer organization serving the park's many patrons, in particular, their shared interest, including urgent channels of trash abatement, bathrooms to serve thousands on the weekends and how to cooperate with processes with the rec and park department, which is something i'm engaged with phil on. it's great. today we're here specifically to comment on the park vendor issue. we have concluded that the choice in terms of the vendors, if any, is beyond the delores works park scope and instead will be addressed by community groups, organizations, a lot of people here. our job is to essentially be above the fray and focus instead on the process. so specifically with the vendor

agreement, whereas rec and park has executed ventor agreement contracts that have a provision where rec and park can unilaterally revoke those permits and whereas we work with rec and park -- that is delores pork works, neighborhood parks council, can work to document, publish and adhere to community communication engagement and accountability best practices, then and only then delores park works endorses the releasing of the vendor park holds. we understand that it's completely the authority of rec and park and this commission and nevertheless, we think it's important to underscore this communication engagement and accountability best practices so that issues of recourse don't have to become an issue in the future. thank you so much. >> thank you.

>> good afternoon. i'd like to, if i may, read a letter on behalf of the executive director of la cocina. to recreation parks and the concerned citizens of san francisco. first of all, thank you for this opportunity to present all of you with knees words. i am sorry that i cannot be here for this meeting, but i am happy knowing that so many people do care about the situation. briefly, i am writing in support of mobile vending in delores park. while the process may be flawed, as has already been indicated, i would also like to put in the general record a sincere acknowledgment of the effort that has to this point gone into the selection of not only small businesses, but the progressive attempts by city departments to create a sustainable revenue stream for its valuable park systems. as a general city, let alone state and country issues, the presence of mobile food vending units in public green space is truly miniscule. but because these parks are parks for all of us, this conversation has been both enlightening and necessary. as an organization la cocina

has advocated for five years that would allow low-income entrepreneurs to access avenues for formalization. we believe that the rec and park program is just such a policy and they go a long way in innovation for small business owners. make no mistake about it. this is still very much a business. there have been no give machine awace. with the minimum monthly rents of over $12 per squake foot, we'll be lucky to make money. we need to be cognizant of the potential of making this work and delores park seemed like the right place. we mention this because we believe that part of this conversation must consider the economic reliability of the proposal and the viability of this program. it is because of this recognition that we believe that all sizes of business and nothing is not a good thing for the program and for the parks. hopefully most people know what we do as an organization and know that we work hard to ensure that the city creates

opportunities for entrepreneurs. we are here to support the entrepreneurs. president buell: you can finish, go ahead. >> to support our nrps in their opportunities to launch their businesses for a hungry public but also to encourage all of us here today to consider not only the drawbacks, but also the clear benefit of the proposal at hand, increase watchfulness of the park, additional revenue streams into the park's covers in a city that is notoriously difficult to do business in. we have heard and understood the concerns of everyone and rest easy knowing that we can answer to nearly all of the concerns by not only addressing the issues raised, but also by being part of the solution. again, thank you to the city and to all of us here for the ability to have this conversation. president buell: thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. i'll read a few more names. rachel herbert, steven gillett, michael mcconnell and jeff --

president buell: before you begin, let me suggest to staff that i think there are now enough seats that we'll let the staff not suffer anymore. they can sit down. >> hi, folks. my name is julie flynn and i'm also here from la cocina. i wanted to make one additional comment. i think one big concern that we heard at the community meeting was the mismatch of resources in the park in terms of trash and bathrooms, with the addition of new vendors. as an organization that works really closely with one of the vendors that will be in the park, i want to drive home the point that we're excited to be part of the parks community. the way we view our role there is added trash pickup. not only do we have an obligation to pick up the trash, but we would also have a vested interest in doing so. so i think we just really hope to continue to add value to the park community and while the process of the contract may have been flawed and i know there's a lot of emotion flying around that, we really are open to the discussion and hope