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>> i am concerned that without reference the feedback, for me as a commissioner, does not have -- has less meaning. president buell: what i am going to recommend is that we repackage this so the commission has a chance to see something before the presentation with your staff report about various comments from the group's and give them a chance to digest it before you come before us. i think it is just a better way to proceed. i want a written report that is in the package in a timely fashion so that there is something that the commission has read before they hear your presentation. what it needs to include is the july version of what the outreach policy was prior to going to these organizations so we see what they are reacting
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to and we get a chance to see the entire package. >> ok. president buell: is that all right? >> the hope was to air this publicly now so there are an additional two weeks. president buell: i understand, but it is hard to air it publicly if the public was not able to see it either. no one in anticipation -- or if they were, we had not seen it. i think we need to see it in the package and then those who want to testify from the public will have the same opportunity. we will put it over. thank you very much. they may not or they may. >> i do not know. i am going to list three names and i do not know if you want to comment. ernestine weiss and victoria
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bell. >> we do need our reach. that is very important. however -- ken i have your attention? we do need our reach. this is very important. if you are just going to give us lip service and not do anything, you will not be very effective. there are a few things we were concerned about. number one, and you are not going to like this, but this was engineered and shoved down our throats without any outreach and information and the public objects. they have signed a petition already against it. this is very important. i am sure you can go back and rescind it as they have suggested and picked out another venue to placate the people that are very hurt by all this, who believe this was not correct. it was defeated at the board of
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supervisors anyway. however, the second thing is that others were done ahead of schedule and they had a community meeting after the fact. that is not the way to do things. people object to the secrecy, the under handedness. the bocce courts are a ridiculous idea. i was not told about it. there are a lot of people in our complex, 1245 units, the second- biggest apartment development in the city. we were not informed. the permit policy about the loud, amplified sound -- all these things have to be addressed. the public is very angry. there are solutions if only you would listen and act on them. president buell: thank you. >> my name is linda
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lightheiser. i was asked to be in a work group to discuss the proposal you are looking at today. what i wanted to add -- i work with neighborhood parks council. we had a wonderful discussion with the department and we were able to give our neighborhood perspective. i work with a lot of park groups in excelsior. we were able to give our feedback on what we thought good of which could be and where it was lacking. one of my big concerns that i want the apartment to address is that e-mail seems to be the most common way nowadays to inform people, but i hear that the department e-mail database is woefully inaccurate. a lot of times neighborhood groups come and go. neighborhood group presidents come and go. i have noticed a lot of times that people who are on the list
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-- the group no longer exists. perhaps people have changed positions within the group. we need a way to keep databases updated. they should be as current as possible so we can work together. you could give some sort of a survey that has to go out dearly to update neighborhood lists and community organizations, working with our supervisors. i know that is part of it. but i really think if we are going to rely on e-mail we have to make sure it is accurate. president buell: thank you very much. >> good evening, supervisors -- commissioners. wrong group. [laughter] president buell: they get paid a lot more than we do. >> thank you for letting us come before you. we have been engaged with this
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outreach plan. i have had the pleasure of working with the steering committee, with sarah, with various boards, giving the back. i know you have not seen the new plan. i want to step up and say i see illustrated by today's conversation that this hour which plan is necessary. i hope we have as packed a crowd to cheer the policy later as we did earlier today. we really support the development and commit to working with staff to refine and implement the policy outlined, moving forward. we will help and lend our support as a community to help them in gauge on e-mail and any other way we work further to do our outreach plan. thank you again. i want to acknowledge you. president buell: i hope you will come back when we see the whole plan. it is so important that we really want to do this right. i have had comments from other commissioners before today
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because it was not written in the package. i understand what the plan was and i think we just need to see it to be ready to digest it. but it is a nice endorsement, coming from you. thank you. >> when i said i was going to leave at 6:00 i did mean i was going to leave at 6:00. president buell: you are late. >> anyway, i was serious about that, but this is how important this is to me. i really appreciate the fact that you did not just say come back in two weeks. one of the things i want to bring up to you is enforcement not only of existing policies within the department but what do you do when you have a situation like today? everybody acknowledges that the process was not good, and yet we
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are saying maybe next time we will get it better. but it does not seem like we do get it better the next time. the next process -- we can go down the list. it seems to me that if we have this policy we have to say this is what we are going to do. we expect that all your project managers -- when they came to prosac, it was a staff member who said we have good project managers and we have some project managers who are good with outreach to community and some who are not so good. unfortunately, i have experienced both. i want to say one project manager who will not call up by name was a very positive experience because she included
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us in every step of the way. another project manager is not as good and use us as adversaries and does not return phone calls, which of course does not lessen the frustration. it just means that when she does get around to doing it it creates a problem because some people are not receptive to hear that. you will have another two weeks, but those are the things i wanted to say. president buell: thank you very much. commissioner lee: i have a suggestion for the next meeting when we do take it up to have the existing -- the policy that we had, what you are proposing, and feedback, all three of them in the packet so that we can have it the week before the commission meeting, have a chance to review it, see the changes that are being proposed,
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and clearly see the feedback that community members have had so we can then engage, and also to give the public an opportunity to look at the policy, to look at the changes. this is too important a topic. it warrants attention, i believe. >> to clarify, are you expecting at the next commission meeting it would be an action item, or that it would be for discussion in two weeks and adopted in november? president buell: if it does not need to be modified. the important issue you are hearing is that all of the contentious items that come to us in this period of change where we are trying to provide outreach for changes taking
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considerations and says this is the new proposed our reach. we will hear that for discussion only. we will get community input. we will get more community input because they will have seen it. >> our intent was to provide that feedback and then have that document on view. president buell: we are faced with that situation where they are coming to testify when we have an action item in front of us. >> that will be in the public view for more than five days. we will solicit feedback on the website. it is currently posted on the website. just to clarify, we do not currently have a policy. president buell: what did you present in july? >> i presented what we do, but it is not codified anywhere. president buell: we would like to see a representation of what that is. commissioner lee: we have to have a meaningful discussion rather than say nothing. that is our point. >> the intent was to get your feedback. president buell: i understand. commissioner bonilla: i would feel a lot more comfortable if it were not only talking about policy but implementation as well. what i mean is when you put out
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a policy, you also include in their, if it is a document we are going to get, in terms of the policy how it could be implemented, what the staff said it would take to implement it and whether it would be feasible to implement it. i think the commission -- many commissions in san francisco, here in the city, at do have the responsibility to develop policies. what do they do with the policies? i think it is important that i would see some thought process going into not just the policy itself and how it could be implemented. when it is presented.
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president buell: i think that concludes the item. thank you. >> is there any other public comment on this item? public comment is closed. president buell: i would like to move to item 12, which is information only, which spells out the committee process. you can look at it and consider it, but i think it reflects what is being proposed. >> this is a notice to the public because we have to notice them 10 days in advance before october 21. president buell: i like that even better. we are going to go into executive session. >> is there any public comment on item 12? simenon, public comment is closed. -- seeing none, public comment is closed. now we are on item 13, general
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public comment. now we are on item 9a, closed session. is there any public comment on the closed session? then we need to vote on whether to go into closed session. president buell: moved and to disclose the documents held in closed session. do you want to not talk about it? president buell: not talk about it. commissioner martin: i do not think we want to talk about it. president buell: we are going to take an action in public and that will be enough. moved and seconded. all those in favor? >> we are now on item 10, the golden gate park windmill. president buell: is there anyone inside -- outside who would like to come back and hear this wonderful discussion?
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seeing non-, we will entertain a motion. >> hold on. president buell: we are going to wait. >> there is no public comment. president buell: it has been moved. is there a second? all those in favor? opposed, none. >> we are on item 14, commissioners' matters. commissioner lee: i want to bring up for a future meeting the parks trust budget from last year, the fund-raising totals from 2009. i want a report on how much was raised by the parks trust for the recreation and park department in 2009. president buell: so moved. commissioner bonilla: i would like to make sure that at our
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next meeting or at some meeting in the near future that we agendize the lincoln golf course lease. that course has been operating month-to-month, and there are some major issues out there. i think before the situation gets worse and i think we ought to look at how the lease is structured and if we want to continue at or look at some other options. >> is there any public comment? seeing none, we will move to 15, new business and agenda setting. there is no public comment.
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